Re: Here you go...Lawmaker wants drug tests for welfare recipients Archived Message
Posted by machine on January 25, 2011, 3:18 am, in reply to "Re: Here you go...Lawmaker wants drug tests for welfare recipients"
my prep hour is up...so i must go...but i will finish this soon. you have much to learn machine If you have things to teach me, I am more than willing to learn. May I request that you not try to teach me on the tax payers dime (your prep hour?). I am a grown arse man, I insist that any education I get, be paid for myself or privately/pro bono, if necessary. i like how you cut and paste a few parts of what i said - but did not even mention the main point i made I cut and pasted a "good deal" of what you said, If I missed your "main point" that "drug tests will cost the taxpayers more money" I will post a my rebuttal now. Drug tests are not very easily tricked. Given the multitude of diffrent tests you could use, (and/or in random interval,) there exists no sure way to pass a drug test, keeping clean aside. The cost of justice is blind to price tags, and people waisting their lives, doing drugs on my dime, is a severe injustice. I don't care if it cost 10 times what is saves on retrieved benefits. before you answer that - i want to say i agree with dr ray langston - we should be able to do what we want to our own bodies. i piggy back on that statement and say the war on drugs is a WASTE of tax dollars. in this country we approach drug addiction as a crime, instead of an illness We are really close to agreeing on this one, I agree you should be able to do what ever you want to do to yourself, the war on drugs is a waste of time. I will go as far to say Drug addiction/abuse (not to confused with "drug use" is an illness but, to cure it, people must stop enabling it. (If a user can provide for himself, so be it) the result of a failed drug test results in???????? what You loose you benefits, If you have kids on benefits, you loose them too. Use the governments money, AND use drugs, sleep on the street for all I care. I guess it's kinda like the school of hard knocks. In this school if you need Government aid, their is no excuse for drug use. so this policy, beyond the initial problems i highlight, only has the intention to do one thing - to further criminalize drug use, rather than focusing on treatment My treatment involves NOT enabling drug abusers. it aims ONLY to force extreme poverty on some people just to slightly reduce the budget deficit Starving is part of the treatment... It actually works really well. that said i know that drug abuse can lead to an abuse of government aid.{...}. but that does not mean we can not reform and modify welfare to reduce abuse and improve efficiency By stopping drug abuse on government aid maybe? Just a thought... you try to sound smart here - but fail terribly. you basically confirm what i said and re-worded it. you basically are saying that if you have money you are entitled to certain benefits of privacy among other things - but if you are poor, or in the case of a person on welfare, EXTREMELY poor - you deserve to be treated unequally. if you are on welfare you do not deserve privacy - as if extreme poverty is desirable. No I said, "It applies only to people who are not on the government dole" Your saying you basically are saying that if you have money you are entitled to certain benefits of privacy among other things Ill reply with; If you have the money, you can do what ever you want to do, so long as it does effect me, or anyone else directly I do not care. If you are on government aid, what you do, DOES effect me, because IM PAYING. I don't have any problem with helping people I believe actual need it, Thats what charity is for. The problem were you see people you think are "poor", and need of help from some great benefactor. I see people that you have told there "poor" enough times they believe it. welfare is extreme poverty. the kind of poverty i am willing to bet you have no idea about You might be right I know nothing about "extreme poverty" It has not existed in the country in since the great depression. Except by people who choose it, and sometimes, unfortunately their children. you make it sound like those getting government assistance have an easy life - where everything is handed to them. It is. if your idea of living in luxury is living in the ghetto and scraping up some money for groceries - well - you are stupid. I bet the dude from the ghetto is cooking up some steaks he got from the store, on his link car. I wish I could afford steak... Luxury no... but it's not even close to true poverty. NO WERE NEAR IT. If I may make an analogy, Would you keep giving someone heroin because the withdrawal symptoms suck? No you would make them go cold turkey and deal with it. Welfare seems much like heroin to me, It is intended to easy pain, and reduce suffering. In the end all it does it get most of it's users dependent on it. (or further enslaved to the government) We just need to stop the practice all together. you may make an analogy - but let me show you how analogies say and prove nothing. the example you gave - of heroin - is a choice. being born into extreme poverty with severe learning disabilities is not a choice. No, being born into extreme poverty with severe learning disabilities is not a choice. Drug use is a choice, Just as living on government aid for any extended period of time is a choice, and many do it, just because the ghetto does not suck enough. They will not better themselves until they are forced to. No learning disability is the end of world. (He!! I'm "dyslexic" and i can read/write, swing an ax, pick, and shovel too if need be) There are many things a person can overcome, when actually challenged to.
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