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    Re: "You are clueless" Archived Message

    Posted by graham on December 18, 2007, 10:09 pm, in reply to "Re: "You are clueless""

    YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND OR YOU CANNOT COME UP WITH ONE? I READ YOUR UNMODIFIED POST. NOTHING NEW. JUST THE SAME OLD TIRESOME, DEBUNKED ARGUMENTS THAT YOU'VE THROWN AT ME BEFORE. I'VE QUOTED YOUR MAIN ARGUMENTS AND INCLUDED MY AND OTHERS' RESPONSES:

    DD’S POST:“Let's first examine necessity. AAs by their own admission and by the deliberate dictation of ASA sponsored AA state practice laws, are not competent nor allowed in any arena to render any care with out an MDA. This is not my opinion, it is indisputable fact. AAs by necessity must practice with an MDA, no exceptions.”-------------
    PROVE THAT AA’S ARE INDEED INCOMPETENT. SHOW ME ANY EVIDENCE THAT SAYS AA’S ARE LESS SAFE THAN CRNA’S. IF YOU CAN’T SHOW ME ANY, THEN YOU NEED TO STOP BASHING THE AA’S. SECOND, AA’S ARE DEPENDENT ON MDA’S, NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE INCOMPETENT, BUT BECAUSE THE LAW PROHIBITS THEM FROM PRACTICING INDEPENDENTLY. THIRD, INDEPENDENT PRACTICE IS NOT NECESSARILY A REFLECTION OF COMPETENCY. LIKE I SAID IN MY PREVIOUS POST, YOU CAN BE INDEPENDENT, BUT IF YOU’RE KILLING PATIENTS, THEN YOU WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED COMPETENT.

    DD’S POST: “It is also necessary for the MDA to make utterly sure with out any doubt that the AA will always provide a billing opportunity for the MDA and never be in a position to effect economical competition between AA and MDA providers. ….. The ASA spends PAC money promoting AA state practice rights not for the well being of the AA but solely for the future economic well being of the MDA.”-----------------------------
    FIRST, IF THIS IS INDEED TRUE, SO WHAT? WHY THIS BOTHER YOU SO MUCH?
    SECOND, YOU ARE STATING THAT MDA’S ARE GREEDY AND ARE SIMPLY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE AA’S. DO YOU SPEAK FOR THE MDA’S NOW? IS THIS WHAT MDA’S REALLY TOLD YOU, OR ARE YOU PUTTING WORDS IN THEIR MOUTHS? HAVEN’T YOU THOUGHT THAT MDA’S ARE HIRING AA’S SO THEY CAN PROVIDE SUFFICIENT PERSONNEL SO PATIENT WOULDN’T BE COMPROMISED?
    WHY DO YOU PORTRAY MDA’S AS SUCH? ARE YOU REALLY THAT HATEFUL AND FEARFUL THAT THE MDA’S ARE OPEN MINDED ABOUT THE AA PROFESSION?
    AGAIN, DON’T PUT WORDS IN THE MDA’S MOUTHS.


    DD’S POST: “Unlike the CRNA, in all circumstances the AA is a two legged guaranteed billing opportunity for an MDA and thereby poses no economic threat.”-----------------
    IF THIS IS INDEED THE TRUTH, THEN SO WHAT? BECAUSE IT POSES ECONOMIC THREAT TO YOU THAT MDA’S WILL SOON HIRE AA’S INSTEAD OF CRNA’S???

    DD’S POST: “Finally, much has been made over the relevance of CRNAs capable of independent practice working in the ACT model. At the end of the day, give me a CRNA with that knowledge, training, ability, capability, competency and legal authority over a doctors assistant any day no matter who is roaming the hallway outside the OR. Equal? Not even close.”-------------------------------------------------
    CRNA’S UNDER THE ACT MODEL WORKS UNDER THE MDA’S, JUST LIKE THE AA’S. SO LET’S COMPARE THESE 2 TYPES OF ANESTHETIST UNDER THE SAME MODEL. DO YOU HAVE ANY PROOF THAT AA’S ARE LESS SAFE THAN THE CRNA’S? BECAUSE IF YOU DON’T, THEN YOU NEED TO STOP BASHING THE AA’S. SIMPLE AS THAT.

    YOUR ARGUMENTS IN THIS FORUM NO LONGER HOLDS CREDIBILITY, SO WHY DO YOU KEEP COMING BACK?
    YOU CANNOT LEAVE THIS FORUM BECAUSE DOING SO WOULD MAKE YOU FEEL DEFEATED?
    AND THAT'S WHY YOU LINGER HERE?.... POSTING THE SAME CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN....IS THIS YOUR ALTERNATIVE WAY OF TRYING TO SAVE FACE?

    MERRY X-MAS dd!!!


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