Re: CRNAs going to doctorate, what does that mean for AAs Archived Message
Posted by DC on November 22, 2008, 10:26 pm, in reply to "Re: CRNAs going to doctorate, what does that mean for AAs"
I have to agree with you Ram, basically that's all what it is a combination of MEd/MPH/MHA when it comes to research. On Friday 11/21/08 I had a R.N.,M.P.H. who in-service (teach) and train me on how to use the new cardiac output monitor during my Liver Transplant case. It's known as the Vigileo, It's a less invasive procedure where you measure your CO (cardiac output), CI (cardiac index), and SV02 (saturation venous oxygen) through the Arterial line of the patient on the VIGILEO (new school) vs. floating a PA catheter (Swan-Ganz) through the right atrium of the heart which is very invasive (old school). Which also can cause the patient to go into V-TACH while floating the Swan-Ganz as well as infection setting in due to the PA catheter being in the patient body to long of a period of time. The only difference is you can not perform a wedge on your patient from the Vigileo monitor. The old Eward Life Science cardiac output box (monitor) you can perform a wedge on your patient. CRNAs/AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs both provide quality care as anesthetists. My question is when CRNAs become doctors DNA (Doctor of nurse anesthesia) how will they address their patient in the holding area or in their room before coming to the O.R.. For example, will a doctor of nurse anesthesia walk in and say hi my name is doctor smith, I will be your anesthetist today. In my opinion your either a Medical Doctor M.D. Anesthesiologist, Doctor of Osteopathic D.O. Anesthesiologist or an anesthetist CRNA/AA-C/RN,AA-C. This is scary people If I'm having major open heart surgery, transplant surgery, or neurosurgery I do not want a CRNA with a doctorate of nurse anesthesia degree (DNA) as my sole provider unless they have M.D. or D.O. Anesthesiologist behind there name tag. If that the case, I would rather have an AA-C/RN,AA-C as my sole provider Why? AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs have pre-med science and are taught by a board certified Anesthesiologist enough said. I want an Anesthesiologist M.D. or D.O. with medical science knowledge at the head of the bed over seeing my care. I have no problem with an CRNA/AA-C/RN,AA-C taking care of me in the ACT under the supervision or medical direction of a MDA or DOA while having major surgery not a DNA (Doctor of nurse anesthesia) as my sole provider I'm sorry that's just how I feel. In my opinion no matter how CRNAs in the future try to pass themselves off as a medical doctor, if you have not earn an under-graduate degree, taken the MCAT, sacrifice 12-13 years of your life (school) to earn the right and privilege to be called a true M.D. "MEDICAL DOCTOR", I'm sorry but CRNA to DNA will never match up against a medical degree in medicine period no offense. I have the up most respect for nurses who have obtain their doctorate degree in nursing but there not a medical doctor. That's where I draw the line when nurses with a doctorate degree try to pass themselves off as medical doctor (not all doctorate nurses act or think this way). Just look at the board certified exam for MDAs, DOAs vs. CRNAs then you will begin to get a clear understanding of the knowledge that M.D.s/D.O.s have in Anesthesiology vs. Nurse Anesthesia. If your a nurse then be proud of being a nurse, If you want the recognition, $$$pay, and the respect of being called a doctor then you know what you need to do (go back to medical school). Just as other CRNAs have done in the past in becoming an M.D. Anesthesiologist, It's a much longer route as well as overlapping a second career and more $$$money it can be done. However if CRNAs do try to pass themselves off as a medical doctor and they are caught doing so, I feel they should have their doctorate degree and license taken (revoked) from them why? for lying. A CRNA imposing to be a medical doctor when there not is a serious offence in my opinion which should have serious consequences. It's the same manner as an AA-C/RN,AA-C who try to pass themselves off as an Anesthesiologist M.D. when there not a doctor can have serious consequences. Yes AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs are physician extender anesthetist with pre-med just like the Anesthesiologist and have a Masters of Medical Science degree (M.M.Sc.) in Anesthesiology but there not a medical doctor. Giving the fact an AA-C/RN,AA-C can go from AA-C practice to M.D. to M.D.A. . For example an AA-C/RN,AA-C can practice for 3 years as an anesthetist, he/she decides they want to become a doctor M.D. Anesthesiologist. #1. He/she would continue straight through medical school as an anesthetist (AA-C) for 4 years with already having their pre-med, MCAT, and credit all count towards "Medicine" (medical science they would not have to take any additional courses or repeat any courses). #2. After 4 years automatically AA-C/RN,AA-C are a "Medical Doctor" M.D. . #3. AA-C/RN,AA-C do 4 years of residency specializing in Anesthesiology = 8 years total. #4. Now your a Medical Doctor Anesthesiologist, M.D.,A.A.-C.,M.M.Sc., M.D.,R.N.,A.A.-C.,M.M.Sc., M.D.,A.A.-C.,M.H.Sc., or M.D.,A.A.-C.,M.S.A. any questions? People we need to stop being so "gong ho" on titles and focus on what's most important the "PATIENT". AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs are not going any where the future is very bright for both anesthetists, no offence AA-Cs will not feel threaten or inferior by CRNAs with a doctorate degree in nurse anesthesia. AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs also have an advantage over CRNAs by having an under-graduate degree, pre-med curriculum just like all Anesthesiologists M.D., MCAT, and higher GPA scores when applying to a school of medicine or medical school AA-C program vs.CRNA program. It has been proven and shown that the vast majority of CRNAs (not all CRNAs feel this way about AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs) do feel threaten and inferior towards AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs. Especially the younger CRNAs Why? they see AA-Cs/RN,AA-Cs as a threat and direct competition FACT!(politics). Let's all work together people as a true profession both associations AANA/AAAA one common goal with mutual respect for one another. A.T.Level II, future Anesthetist AA-C,MSA,BSH (In Health/Science).
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