Posted by GIT on September 1, 2011, 12:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Mr. Dee"
I don't believe that there's a subversive effort on the scientific community to disprove religion.
Religion does not hold creation as a theory, but as a truth. So the mindset is different than the scientific community.
You should watch the movie Expelled. You should also question why schools are unable to teach Creationism or Intelligent Design along side evolution, if both in fact are just theories according to the scientific community. Why is one theory that cannot be proven any better than another theory that cannot as yet be proven? IMO there is more scientific evidence op lead one to believe in an Intelligent Designer than to believe in evolution. So why for so many years has the first been left out if there is no - agenda?
Lets just be honest - there has been a rejection in this society of anything that could possibly lead one to reflect on or look in the direction of a God. Otherwise both "theories" would be being taught in school as that - "theories". But they are not.
However, some people do not hold it true. And if they don't hold it true...it cannot be forced on them. It cannot be forced on a nation either.
Again, God has been forced on nations before...and still is being forced..with disastrous and even tragic results.
The happiest relationship with God that I know of is when the person has total freedom to come to God -- whether it be the one God... or the higher power of anyone's choosing...
True peace comes when a person enters into that relationship freely and without any pressure...and without any force to do so
No one is forcing anyone or attempting to force anyone to enter into a relationship with the God of the Bible. That is not even possible to do. You cannot force someone to love someone else the very reason for the choice our Lord allowed man in the beginning - to choose to seek Him and have a relationship with Him or not. That is where freedom comes from.
That said: there is no pressure on a public forum - you can choose to not read, or you can choose to read and respond, or you can choose to read and not respond. No one is "forcing" God on any one just because we are discussing Him just as we discuss many other things.
But when we are fighting so hard to brand our country and polity as 'Christian', then people will feel like a certain degree of 'Freedom' is taken away from them should they choose not to be Christian.
I wish some 'Christians' on capital hill would understand that. You can't put a cross and flag together at the exclusion of everything else..and pretend to be in support of 'Freedom'.
Freedom does not originate with man - it comes from God and only God. He gave man freedom and the Founding Fathers of this country believed in that freedom and and wrote a Constitution promoting that which they found in the Bible. You can't change that fact - it is this very fact that has led to the freedoms people have today in this country. If you don't believe me go and look at some of the original documents they wrote yourself.
Acknowledging this fact does not make us a nation forcing Christianity - it never has. It makes us a free nation under the one who gave us freedom to begin with. Check out some of the original state constitutions - see what their requirements for office were. They were not long and lengthy because if man will allow his Creator to govern him on an individual basis - there isn't a whole lot of need for society to govern him, but that is where laws come in - when we will not allow Him to govern us. That is the freedom - the freedom to choose - man does not allow choices - man always has an agenda when left to himself.
Tell me again how free Islamic countries are under their Holy Book? Do they look like America. If you have a problem with this statement which seems to be the crux of it all - prove to me how one can separate core beliefs from anything else in ones life. Your core beliefs and my core beliefs shape our opinions and our actions and our speech - it is evident in how we view things so differently.
Really what they are looking for, ACLJ and all of them..is freedom for people who are just of a like mind. And I have at least one example of how these people who fight for their own freedom seek to go against someone else's.
This is opinion - not based on fact unless you can offer proof of this said agenda. Don't think you will find where they have fought to take away anyones freedom to worship though they have stood for the freedoms of Christians. As the lack of true tolerance and freedom in the schools is obvious in teaching one theory and not another - that is proof of an agenda - when there is not equal coverage for two equal theories by a supposed non biased institution.
But yet ugly episodes keep popping up their heads...and we have ot insure that our non-Christian citizens are still equal under law and that they may follow freely the path of their choosing.
That is fine Dee and I completely agree with everyone having the freedom to worship, including Christians. I also completely agree with folks having the freedom to express their beliefs and to do so in public, as that is their freedom. Why is it opinions on any other issue are fine but when it comes to God they are taboo? Is that a lack of freedom?
You still in all of this have not addressed the real issue and that is where freedom comes from. How one can separate core beliefs from those things they do and say, because they cannot. Since this is true, what principles did the Founding Fathers use in writing the Constitution? What were their core beliefs? Where did they see freedom deriving from that they were able to formulate it so well?
They (Founding Fathers) were Christians and they used those principles they knew, laid out by God for them in the Bible, to give freedom to all men and "women" - to worship as they may or may not choose to do. To deny that fact is a fallacy and all untruths lead to dead ends. Admitting that fact only allows us to keep that freedom and gives us strength to remain America and stop cowering to political correctness in all areas. Why do you think Obama had to give the we are not a Christian nation speech? We are a nation founded on Christian principles - see how great God made us when we at least recognized the truth in that?