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Ford Focus TCI 1998 - Non start, codes P1664, P1564 & P1680 #

Posted by Paul Howd on April 6, 2010, 6:29 pm

Year of Manufacture *: 1998
Engine Code or CC *: 1.8T
( Optional ) Scanner Used: Multiscan/X431

Sudden Non-start. No previous history of problems

Initial scan resulted in P1664(Pump failure), P1564 (reduced fueling mode requst) and P1608 (watchdog signal lost)

With faults cleared, cranking caused the P1664 and P1564 to return.

X431 also added P1564 (25,10,15,64)

I am taking that the numbers in brackets refer to failure type and according to the Infallable_Oracle_of_Autodata these refer to various types of signal failure (Though exactly what signal is not clear)

Checking through archives suggests that this is likly to be an internal pump failure. It looks (more or less) the same system that is used on those dreadful Astra diesels that always go wrong so I am not surprised!

Of course this is not really what the owner wants to hear, it has run faultlessly for the last 5 years and the very next journey he was planning to make was a trip to chertsey to trade it in for a newer motor! So obviously he wont want to spend any money on fixing it! (For some strange reason I always end up feeling that it is somehow MY fault when a situation like this occurs! Like I am the earthly manifestation of the Angel of DooM or something! Wierd! )

Are these internal faults repairable or does he need a replacement/new pump?

Are these pumps "Plug and play" or do you need to "Code" them to the ECU/Immo?

Is there some blindingly obvious alternative that I have missed?

Oh, and what is a "Watchdog signal"??

Cheers,

Paul

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by carl ford <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1822' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 6, 2010, 7:09 pm, in reply to "Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Carl Ford

Hi paul wat engine is it as I am not sure of a tci is this a tdci tddi

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 6, 2010, 7:15 pm, in reply to "Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Kevin Apps

Paul
TCI is not a term i understand for ford.TDCI or TDdi i know.
The C would hint at common rail but was not fitted on these in 1998 (well i,m sure they where not).
A watchdog code would be unlikely on a common rail.
So please give an engine code or state if it,s common rail or just direct injecyion.
Kev.

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Paul Howd on April 6, 2010, 7:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Message modified by board administrator April 7, 2010, 2:25 pm

Sorry, I am taking the "Tci" from the sticker on the cam-cover.

Autodata had several engine codes for this model but none of them corresponded with the numbers on the sticker.

It is the 90HP turbocharged engine. It "Looks" much like the old Ford 1.8D/TD engine that goes back to the 80's (back when they made then right!)

It had a traditional looking distributor pump but with an electronic ECU/connector on the top that is very similar to the ones on the Astra 2 litre diesels of the late 90's early "Naughties"

I actually have the chassis no which I apologise for not including in my original post!

WFOAXXGCDAXV149594

HTH

Paul

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 6, 2010, 8:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Kevin Apps

Paul
You only need to see the injector,s to know if its common rail or not !!!
Kev.

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Paul Howd on April 6, 2010, 9:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Message modified by board administrator April 7, 2010, 2:25 pm

Its NOT common rail!

I am just trying to give a more comprehensive description.

Paul

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Tony Jannetta <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1593' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 7:01 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Anthony Janetta

Replacement pumps on this dont require coding,did one wee while ago.Awkward wee job to do though.
Try gravity feeding pump or even use a wee electric pump to feed and see if it'll run.

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by lee mackintosh <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1348' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 8:11 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Lee Mackintosh

I always thought these were a coded pump but the later TDCI versions weren't. You'll soon find out when you fit another pump (if its a 2nd hand one) if the PATS light is flashing.

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Tony Bickers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5143' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 11:42 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Tony Bickers

TDDi's do use a coded pump and they are an expensive job, last one I did was over a grand all in !

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Michael Whitworth <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5568' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 8:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Mike Whitworth - Administrator

Hi Kev,

Reading Pauls post completely it seems obvious to me that this vehicle is TDDi not TDCi.

SO stop picking on him...........

Thats my job I thought I was the miserable one not you.

Regards,

M.O.M.

M.O.M. Miserable Old Manc

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Tony Jannetta <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1593' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 9:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Anthony Janetta

Ok,I cant argue as to whether these pumps are coded or not,afraid I dont have the definitive answer there

However,there's only the one type...Endura Di iirc,and I fitted a new Ford pump and the engine started up all ok,so whether that was luck or what?
Question is whether a 98 Focus is worth an expensive sort

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Michael Whitworth <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5568' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 10:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Mike Whitworth - Administrator

Hi Tony,

You were lucky in so much as you probably purchased a Bosch Exchange pump which are usually virginised and code themselves up on first KOEO. Or if a diesel shop rebuild they are also usually virginised on remanufacture.

HTH

Mike

M.O.M. Miserable Old Manc

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by tony bickers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5143' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 10:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Tony Bickers

Hi Tony and Mike, No expert, far from it but I do believe that if you follow the correct KOEO procedure with these pumps I think they will self-code?? I am probably talking rubbish and am getting my coat !!

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 7, 2010, 11:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Kevin Apps

Paul
As you now should know your pump is F**ked, P1680 (or P1608 it seems to be different and correct in the post) watchdog code points to this above all other.
A new ford pump or a virginized pump will code itself if ignition on first time rule is applied (its in achives) but a s/h pump will need codeing, but as i have never (and will not fit a s/h pump) i can only go on how the system works.
Kev.
MOM
Sorry

MOGG
MO you know
G Git
G Gillingham

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Michael Whitworth <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5568' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 8, 2010, 12:04 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"

M.O.G.G.

Why do I have a picture of Harry Enfield and Chums in my head????

M.O.M.

M.O.M. Miserable Old Manc

Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680

Posted by Tony Jannetta <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1593' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 8, 2010, 12:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Anthony Janetta

Ok Michael,thankyou for clarifying that.We did check with the supplying dealer as to whether we could do the job before purchasing the pump...as it cost an arm an a leg(to us) thought it wise to do so first

We were strongly advised not to touch s/h units for this

Update

Posted by Paul Howd <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5151' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 8, 2010, 6:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus TCI 1998 Non start P1664, P1564, P1680"
Paul Howd

Well, not surprisingly, we are never going to know for sure.

He was only going to get £800 as a trade in so I guess this one is streight off to the scrapyard in the sky!

Shame really, appart from the fact that it doesnt work it is actually quite a nice car!

Thanks for all the replies though!

Paul

Re: Update

Posted by Tony Bickers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5143' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 8, 2010, 11:02 pm, in reply to "Update"
Tony Bickers

The one I did was marginal, if it came in today it would go the same way as yours !

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