Re: obamacare is not going anywhere... Archived Message
Posted by machine on February 19, 2011, 1:35 pm, in reply to "Re: obamacare is not going anywhere..."
people who have an illness should not lose coverage and access to healthcare and be bankrupted because they need healthcare. there should be no profit in healthcare - and removing the profit would remove the discrimination in healthcare between those who can afford good healthcare and those who can not afford any at all because they have required the use or need of insurance in the past. At what point do insurance companies cut people off? At a point specified in a prearranged contract. If the government takes over the means of health care, who gets to decide when you get cut off? A bureaucrat? If an insurance company does not fulfill their fiduciary responsibility to a patient, The patient can sue them. What course of action is available to one seeking retribution for the errors of the bureaucratically run health care system you are seem to be a propionate of? It can cost millions to keep one person alive one month. (weather the government is involved or not) And contrary to your claims, Nobody is getting sent home when they need care. and nobody is being really being bankrupted just because of medical debt. I know you think profit is evil, but It was the want of profit, not the government that has advanced health care to the point it has reached in this country. (Its so expensive, because it's so advanced) It was not the government the developed the polio vaccine, Statin medications the list goes on, almost every thing we think about being modern western medicine was developed for profit. apparently you do not know someone who has beaten cancer - i know many - and NONE of them can get affordable insurance if any insurance at all. I do know several people who have beat cancer, all had private insurance and were treated in private hospitals. It should however be very expensive for them to buy new insurance, as the are at a much larger risk of needing excessive amounts of care in the future. i do not care what excuse or attempt you give to justify our terrible healthcare system - the fact of the matter is people go without care, and small ailments over time become serious disease...because they can not get access to healthcare or can not afford healthcare. Our health care system is amazing, it's people buying xBoxs, when they should have made a trip to the doctor or bought insurance that mess it up. People not taking care of themselves is there fault. if insurance companies are more worried about profit than providing access to affordable care for our citizens then they have failed...and thus is when the government SHOULD intervene in the best interest of the people. maybe it would not create profits, and maybe it would be a burden on tax-payers - but it would be tax money well spent if we used it to make our nation healthier I know it is hard for you understand somebody being motivated by anything that is not the good of the collective, but the meager 3% profit margins most health insurance companies make is barely enough to stay afloat as it is. They do provide a good product to a large number of consumers. And do so much more efficiently than government ever could. a nation battling obesity and heart disease...a nation with terrible healthcare... So now those "poor" people have eaten so much bacon, and drank so much soda on my dime (welfare) that now they are sick from it. And it's "our" job, to help them yet again? Absolutely not. Obesity, most heart disease, diabetes, cirrhosis..... Are the fault of person who has them. It should not be my responsibility to contribute to the rehabilitation of some who's condition was easily preventable by them exercising, and using good judgment on what they put into there bodies. the fact of the matter is people go without care, and small ailments over time become serious disease...because they can not get access to healthcare or can not afford healthcare. You're going to have to source that one, I believe most Americans actually see a doctor on a semi regular basis. most Americans know healthcare as a visit to the ER when the pain is intolerable - which an ER visit is not only expensive but provides the worst care. Again, not most, maybe some. But not most. it boils down to one basic point: do you you think everyone is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Ill go with the whole sentence, verbatim. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. You have a right to go to the doctor if you choose, nobody is going to stop you. The doctor may not help, if you don't have the cash, but thats because he has "liberty" in a country where "pursuit of happiness" (originally drafted as pursuit of property.)
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