trading Gleybar and Soler for closers isn't really gaming the system Archived Message Posted by tit on December 8, 2016, 7:48:22, in reply to "I think the Cubs are gaming the system." Teams will gladly trade you relievers for prospects. Previous Message Either develop your own closer or get a short term rental. Chapman is a freak of nature. I doubt there is anyone like him in history. But I expect him to lose some mph by the end of the deal, maybe midway through, and he'll be a lot more hittable. I think Jansen has a much better chance of holding up for 5 years with that cutter. Previous Message just rent our closers for a year. unfortunately we are running low on highly coveted prospects we'll trade. Happ and Eloy wont be traded. who else do we have that people would want? our needs in 2017 are pretty low as long as our starters stay healthy. i still dont like letting Hammel go. Previous Message Previous Message Previous Message Figured this would be better than a million baseball threads over the next few days. In non-transaction news, Bud Selig and John Scheurholz were just elected to the Hall of Fame. Message Thread: | This response ↓ Consolidated Winter Meetings/baseball rumors and transactions thread - OB25 December 4, 2016, 17:21:20 Danny Espinoza traded to Angels per Twitter - DanSaint December 10, 2016, 20:46:27 The White Sox asked the Astros for Martes, Tucker, and Musgrove in Quintana deal... - OB25 December 10, 2016, 11:08:54 that's clayton kershaw value. no thanks. - ignignokt December 10, 2016, 20:52:20 Highlight video for next season should feature Duhnow walking away from Hahn without making a deal - CasinoCavalier December 10, 2016, 21:32:40 That doesn't sound like too much* - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:13:38 I'm guessing Musgrove was the sticking point based on Luhnow's comments - Marshall McDougal December 10, 2016, 11:13:11 duhnow would swerve out of his way to hit musgreat in the street - ignignokt December 10, 2016, 20:49:10 Musgrove sounds like he has some Hendricks to his game. - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:33:33 Better than BoSox? What if Papi comes back?* - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:14:31 Ortiz isn't coming back. - Marshall McDougal December 10, 2016, 11:17:57 David Price isn't what he used to be. - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:28:06 I still think Price is an elite pitcher. I expect him to have a pretty good season - Marshall McDougal December 10, 2016, 11:52:16 I hope they get the deal done* - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 20:15:02 Jim Bowden really hated the Eaton deal - bjl63 December 9, 2016, 18:44:09 Tough talk for someone who never made the playoffs. - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:26:18 Brewers pitching prospect Phil Bickford fails ANOTHER "drug of abuse" test - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 16:21:07 Hey Marshall. - Deano December 9, 2016, 13:49:25 I'd assume they just paid Milwaukee the 100k that Milwaukee paid to select him from New York - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 13:52:52 Weird take. I hate the Cards but part of me is glad the rivalry will be strong. - IWOY December 9, 2016, 10:36:54 It is more fun to have a competitive rivalry * - Blues December 9, 2016, 14:39:22 I dunno. Kicking their ass was pretty fun, I gotta admit.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 9, 2016, 15:06:25 It gets old though after a few years * - Blues December 9, 2016, 16:51:45 nope. not here, at least.* - ghost_of_clt December 10, 2016, 11:27:11 We feel you Dexter. - CIB December 9, 2016, 11:19:53 Cradz gotta get there first * - Pooter December 9, 2016, 11:06:59 Helps to have Brewers, Reds and now Pirates to beat up on.* - CIB December 9, 2016, 11:24:00 Pirates roster is still pretty good, but they've just got a few big holes... - OB25 December 9, 2016, 14:43:29 As a fan of both, I would welcome that* - MtHoodIllini December 9, 2016, 15:34:05 The Matheny penalty. 4 L's before camp breaks * - Pooter December 9, 2016, 13:52:20 Is there any market for Justin Turner at all? - OB25 December 9, 2016, 10:23:15 Marlins? * - IWOY December 9, 2016, 10:43:10 They just signed Martin Prado* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:46:20 Also do we trust Dombrowski to really be satisfied with Sandoval?* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:37:14 I think I saw that Turner has been out of the country which may explain ... - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 10:30:18 Giants, Mets, Tigers, Angels - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:27:22 alderson said on wednesday that the mets have to shed payroll before opening day - snipes824 December 9, 2016, 10:54:26 Lol, trigger warning please! - voiceofreason December 9, 2016, 11:11:51 Neftali Perez (or is it Feliz) would be a good signing for you then* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 13:44:03 my dad and i have been saying all offseason that signing chapman or jansen made perfect sense - snipes824 December 9, 2016, 11:18:31 Wasn't really interested in Chapman, but Jansen and that cutter would - voiceofreason December 9, 2016, 11:23:33 Ha Rosenthal just said the 2nd biggest lie in baseball teams say is "We have no money"* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:59:36 Of course they all have money. Whether they can spend it on their baseball team is another story.* - OB25 December 9, 2016, 11:08:42 He basically said disregard any baseball team that says "we don't have money to spend on our team"* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 11:09:51 OK. But everyone would have a $180 million dollar payroll if it was that simple.* - OB25 December 9, 2016, 11:19:32 Rosenthal's basic point was that if teams find the value they have the money - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 11:24:17 These teams have such huge valuations and cash flows all of them have more money available. - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 13:45:23 What's the biggest?* - bjl63 December 9, 2016, 11:03:15 "We're not shopping just listening"* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 11:08:33 Giants have apparently been pretty public in saying they've got nothing left to spend. - OB25 December 9, 2016, 10:29:17 Mo just said he doesn't envision another "bold" move - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:27:18 what was his first bold move?* - mrap24 December 9, 2016, 10:31:37 I guess by bold I would say big name* - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:43:48 I think the Fowler move is pretty bold. Identified their guy and pretty much overwhelemed him with - warrenillini December 9, 2016, 10:48:45 Nats need a 3b but they aren't going to be able to afford Turner unless they lose out on Jansen* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 10:27:07 Nevermind. Have Rendon and Murphy at 3b/2b ... - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 10:31:58 I think they're planning to trot Zimmerman out at 1B again - Tortillini December 9, 2016, 12:04:32 He might be worth cutting. He can't play defense and can't hit. -1.3 WAR last year* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 13:46:53 5/$82.5 full no trade. That's not bad* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:12:04 good for dex. wish he would have went somehwere other than SL BUT - mrap24 December 9, 2016, 10:17:56 again...I just hope he'd be willing to slide to corner later in that deal - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:13:29 Not something I'd really be worried about - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:21:05 apparantly Cardinals could now pursue Encarnacion or Trumbo - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 8:41:07 Fowler will wear #25 it appears. First to wear it as a player since McGwire.* - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:11:40 That would concern me. And it makes sense since they already gave up their first round pick* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 8:58:31 They should if they have the money to spend. - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 8:48:53 I'm actually VERY intrigued by Encarnacion in STL. - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 8:54:05 I think they'd both be about the same as 1B - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 9:00:44 Poor Chris Carter really is playing in the wrong era. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 23:28:56 yeah, WAR killed that guy.* - tit December 9, 2016, 7:34:39 What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.* - osklister December 9, 2016, 7:50:04 Say it again!* - gig December 9, 2016, 8:11:42 Original title of "War and Peace". - osklister December 9, 2016, 8:45:49 rob deer and pete incaviglia never got paid * - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 23:36:46 *pours one out for Steve Balboni** - DT December 9, 2016, 8:10:02 They also never put up those numbers.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 23:47:11 not that far off. 42 homers is great. nothing else he did was very good* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 23:48:48 bobby valentine back to japan - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 23:20:58 God no* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 23:23:49 i scoured that page for any signs of satire - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 23:31:17 Holy shit, this wasn't a baseball thing? - OB25 December 8, 2016, 23:35:07 Eh Dan Rooney is the ambassador to Ireland* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 23:39:27 I know a lot of the European ambassadorships are gift postings for big donors - DT December 9, 2016, 8:08:24 The headline sounded totally believable to me. Which is absolutely insane to me* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 23:33:12 10AM Press Conference tomorrow* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:36:54 So, Carp hits second? - illini December 8, 2016, 22:21:38 I don't think Matheny manages this way - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:48:25 I'd like to a see a level of flexibility like this - illini December 8, 2016, 23:00:36 I am interested to see how he can do in another role when he gets extended run there - jayd December 8, 2016, 23:02:56 No way Piscotty hits that far down vs. RHP, same for Carpenter vs. LHP - jayd December 8, 2016, 22:54:21 Wasn't suggest that is what will happen - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:57:28 it's pretty much been said that Carpenter is going to be given 1B - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:49:36 Probably. I'm just giving my opinion - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:52:49 reason I alternated Peralta and Gyorko was in case Peralta isn't on team - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:57:59 my guess: - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:35:47 Man, the Cubs fans are gonna BFIB the shit out of this Fowler thing. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:10:31 complete with absolute lies about how the fans reacted going viral? - tit December 9, 2016, 7:36:04 Eh we got Jon Jay to lead the dynasty.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 22:17:14 How long will the standing O be?* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:14:42 It's gonna be long. And he deserves it. Will always have a special place. #bfib* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:16:26 The mofo hit a leadoff HR in game 7 of the world series. he can whatever he wants. his legend - IWOY December 8, 2016, 22:20:32 No one will boo him would they. That would he insane* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 22:51:14 only a complete pile of shit - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 22:52:22 GMAW will when his daddy calls him a #trader* - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 23:49:49 Yep. Dex was a monster in a year when the Cubs won the World Series. He left his mark.* - Choooch December 8, 2016, 22:49:05 that was a top 3 sports moment in my life* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 22:38:58 All of my comments there were 100% serious. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:22:50 Truth. It better be longer than Ross lol* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:19:18 but...he's a TRADER!!!!! Like Heyward was a TRADER* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:12:57 You mean they trade stocks and shit?* - gig December 9, 2016, 8:11:11 So Bowtie pulled it off. Gotta give him credit since I've been shredding him. - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 21:08:17 Awesome. Will be interesting to see the actual numbers on the deal. * - harb99 December 8, 2016, 21:15:53 Fowler is really easy to root for. Plus, for some reason he got screwed last season so he deserves - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:13:17 Funny how things worked out. Piscotty is certainly a fine replacement in RF. - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 21:30:38 You guys just need to make the playoffs. Any playoff team can win a couple playoff series* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:45:12 smh * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 22:00:04 In defense of the supposedly outrageous Fowler contract - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:19:19 5 year zips puts him at $83 million - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:35:01 He's a really good player* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:38:10 He's good but I think that valuation is high and it doesn't include the draft pick - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:42:32 It's an overpay but it's not a huge one. Also, they got a class act to boot* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:09:57 Former Cards take less money to play for the Cubs. Former Cubs go to StL only for "over-the-top" $* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 20:25:07 So glad that era is over. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:34:54 wait, trumbo is about to get 60-80 but bruce for 13 is untenable?* - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 20:25:05 MLB radio guy said after free agents signed mets may have some takers ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:33:44 i think he's right. and agree on trumbo - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 20:39:53 If there's one thing the game loves its right handed power - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:40:56 Also I think it highlights how valuable Adam Eaton is* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:23:06 Underrated ish thing: - AintHatin December 8, 2016, 19:18:54 So weird to see 2 people here have an actual logic-based argument without name-calling. * - BLGM5 December 8, 2016, 19:48:31 Lulz* - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 19:49:17 just different philosophies. Really wouldn't call it an argument* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:20:08 you hold your own against Mr. Industry * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:22:17 Fowler taking physical in St. Louis tomorrow - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:15:16 I was really hoping for Dexter to Toronto. * - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 21:53:36 First cardinal to get a standing o at Wrigley?* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 19:41:34 Musial? * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:43:06 Sutter? Big Lee?* - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 20:19:06 Goold saying deal was "Over the Top" to ensure signing him* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:22:15 5 for 80/90 is the rumor* - illiniviz December 8, 2016, 20:11:58 Heyman says deal done. "Expected to be big"* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:52:07 TWSS* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 20:25:39 8/187, 2 opt outs. (not really)* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 19:55:53 I heard it's gonna cost so much the cards won't trade Rosie, bader, Wong and peralta for trout.... - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 19:59:07 I'll tip my cap, somehow you managed to make it funny again with this one.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:20:07 Tipping your cap is classless per hector* - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 23:53:50 yes!* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 20:39:12 I think they really needed him. I think they had to make sure they landed him - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:32:21 Was Wong that bad in center next to Piscotty and that other guy?* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:20:22 Wong only played 7 games in CF last year. Grichuk was their regular CF - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:25:39 Yeah, they need Wong or Gyorko as depth. Fowler gives them that.* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:11:05 STL paper said Toronto offered him 4/$60m earlier this week... - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 19:55:57 Yeah I expect north of that. Just pointing out what I think fair market is - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:57:16 Heyman saying unconfirmed 5 years at least $16m per.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 19:58:09 Steamer has him at 2.2. Zips has him at 3.0 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:03:42 Heyman just revised it to "rumor is 80/90". still a lotta coin * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 20:01:17 It's still no 7/$162m like a certain person has left.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 20:01:50 pep talks cost big $$ * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 20:02:22 That is a lot* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:58:59 If that is what the deal ends up being, wish the cubs would have brought him back for that* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 19:47:03 Right now based solely on steamer fangraphs has the NL standings projected - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:42:02 that's actually okay. I'm feeling it's gonna be around $75 - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:35:49 gut says 4/65-70 - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:34:55 Will be tough playing against him 19 times a year* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 18:57:33 I'd rather face Ben Revere.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 19:11:47 Doesn't matter Fowler is there to back... - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 19:44:49 Lol* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:03:56 I'm hearing 7/$150 - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 18:29:23 that's what you'd call a PANIC move! Futurama brain slugs have taken over Mo's/DeWitt's brains* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:31:53 It's 150 dollars, not 150 million. He's giving them the Cardinal discount* - jayd December 8, 2016, 19:11:41 maybe if you guys still had The Walt* - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 19:31:03 the difference is what Matheny deducts for tithing * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:21:37 Seems odd to take physical if you aren't signing with them* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:17:08 Maybe he's got some HSA to get rid off* - illiniviz December 8, 2016, 18:42:08 my concern is wrong side of 30 and coming off career year - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:25:27 Cards haven't had a true leadoff man and at least quasi-SB threat in a while. - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 19:33:28 Kind of a stretch to say it was a career year. Pretty consistently a high obp with some pop.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 18:35:43 100% career year and it's not close.* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 18:48:19 It was a career year. You shouldn't expect last season from him again - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:47:22 Ah I read his page wrong, thought 2015 was this past season. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 19:06:45 Yep. Weak, desperation move. * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:32:17 I never said that. I personally wouldn't have done the move - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:36:43 Cards can afford it. If Fowler falls off - jayd December 8, 2016, 19:07:08 No, I said that* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:37:24 Cheap with a rental = who? - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:32:00 I was thinking maybe a Ben Revere. Coming off down year - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:34:49 There's a large difference between Ben Revere (who's replacement level) and Dexter Fowler - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:46:42 how is it "taking a year off"? You can still be a competitive team with a Revere in CF - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:51:19 This is a big step towards making a wild card spot. Ben Revere sucks. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 18:59:07 I think he's better than "sucks". I think he's an average CF - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:02:06 I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up on a minor league deal - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:06:08 Ok. In order to get value back you usually have to pay for it - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:57:25 he could always michael bourn - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 19:02:30 Career OPS+ prior to FA Bourn 90, Fowler 107 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:04:40 good point* - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 19:05:47 I get what you're saying and to an extent I agree...but I just don't like the multi year - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:00:04 the draft pick doesn't really bother me. I don't like it but I'm okay with it* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:03:52 Plus, giving a pick to the douchebags * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:03:13 A four year deal for a player of Dexter Fowler's caliber is totally reasonable - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:02:40 Still on this 5th best bs? * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:33:46 Dexter found Jesus?* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:16:16 Former Card prospect Tyrell Jenkins and Brady Feigl heading to Texas in trade* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:13:15 Luke Jackson going the other way. Interesting trade - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:17:51 Cubs on verge of signing Uehera? - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:33:45 Lefties have hit .183 off him (per Bruce Miles), so nice reverse split guy* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 17:21:06 Uehara closed out the 2013 WS, Davis 2015, and Montgomery 2016 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 17:04:41 Didn't he play for the Indians? - Blues December 8, 2016, 16:41:25 So is the pen pretty much set? - OB25 December 8, 2016, 16:16:58 I think if there's one thing we've learned is that they are always looking to stock arms - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 16:23:06 Also add the Cubs stated they plan to carry 8 relievers* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 16:33:15 nm - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 16:33:15 I like Ziegler and Holland in particular. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 16:29:14 The Rule 5 guy they picked up has to be on the MLB roster all year or they give him back* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 16:20:49 Didn't notice that, I only saw the infielder that they picked.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 16:24:53 1 year/4.5mil per Bob Nightengale * - aimlessillini December 8, 2016, 15:53:56 Eek, 41 years old. Still pretty good K and BB numbers last year though.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 15:53:34 Deceptive motion, good mechanics and location. - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 15:55:07 He's all about the splitfinger. Only 1 year. Should be a solid addition to the pen - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 15:56:31 It's a low risk, high reward deal. - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 20:16:26 he end up being 8th inning guy?* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:57:43 I hope not #CEJ* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 16:13:01 Nightengale says 1yr, $4.5M. done* - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 15:53:18 I have no idea what that says but would be nice addition* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 15:47:25 I'd like to see the Sox keep him. - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 15:50:23 saw tweets saying close to 1 yr/$6 m deal* - Gene Parmesan December 8, 2016, 15:49:43 that would be a pretty good deal. now we need a LHP or 3* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 15:50:37 They have Z and Duensing. Saw something that said they are still in contact with Wood too* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 15:54:33 I think Duensing will end up being the lefty specialist for them* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:52:12 forgot about him. would still like 1 more LHP in the pen* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 15:55:48 saw the link tweeted out by Evan Drellich* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:48:40 it's in Japanese* - Gene Parmesan December 8, 2016, 15:49:18 ahhhh. I see* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:52:41 If Cards miss out on Fowler (I think he ends up in Toronto) I'd look at Revere - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 14:18:14 Saw on twitter that the Cubs are again talking to Boras about an Arrieta extension. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 13:58:06 My guess is that he has a huge year, so if it doesn't get done this offseason - GMAW December 8, 2016, 14:05:14 The Cubs have a few outstanding arb guys - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 14:00:41 Roughy really owes me for starting this thread. Could have been so many separate baseball threads.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 13:52:53 it has been one of the best threads in awhile.* - Roomba December 8, 2016, 16:27:34 I was planning on starting a daily one* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 13:53:36 Not a huge Cardinal fan, but it appears Mo is sucking hind tit in everything again this year * - Blues December 8, 2016, 13:14:00 cub thought: is there a legal/legitimate way to download the WS games? - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:17:03 iTunes. $20 for the set. I think they are full game.* - voiceofreason December 8, 2016, 11:34:19 This is a freaking no brainer* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:48:03 I wonder if I should just buy the 4 wins, as I'm never going to watch the losses again* - ab75 December 8, 2016, 15:47:28 Get them all. It's a set. * - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 15:50:25 yeah, in reality, I'd be shocked if I ever watch anything but game 7, but would be nice to have* - ab75 December 8, 2016, 16:11:21 I was thinking about that too. Am I going to re-live games 1, 3 and 4? - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 16:28:13 it's like buying the top full baseball set and saying, i'll take all the teams but the cardinals - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 17:03:32 can i pay $40 to get one without Joe Buck's voice in it?* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:35:55 I actually wouldn't be surprised if the DVD version I sent does not have Joe Buck. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 13:16:51 Lol, didn't see that option.* - voiceofreason December 8, 2016, 11:38:19 BOOM! thank you* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:35:23 Not sure, but you can buy this which has all the full-game broadcasts. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 11:18:50 that gets me part of the way there. really want digital files - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:22:10 Happy Starlin Castro trade anniversary! - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:19:29 DAT DERE LAZI LATINS RUINING DA GAME DEY ALL MOST LOST DA WORLD SERIOUS... - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 12:47:09 Gleybar... I can't stop saying that. Gleybar, Gleybar, Gleybar* - Figs December 8, 2016, 10:41:15 So glad that trade worked out. I would have been sooo salty had Chapman blown the WS. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:50:49 We still have Baby Jorge - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:54:25 Yeah big fan of Eloy game. Just funny how all-or-nothing the Gleyber trade was. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:03:54 I think backs were to the wall, I think they already knew Rondon had a problem ... - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 11:07:21 Couldn't we have gotten Melancon for a lot less? - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:11:36 Pirates wanted an in-division bonus on Melancon. Cubs cost would have been higher than Nats'* - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 11:14:52 Maybe we were better off keeping Happ and Jimenez ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:20:35 There was such a huge dropoff after the Cubs top 3 (Happ, Jimenez, Torres)... - OB25 December 8, 2016, 11:14:27 I think Candelario and Cease are easily better than Hearn/Rivero - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:17:14 All this talk is making me nervous about the bullpen. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:23:51 We just traded for Wade Davis. Why would we sign Jansen?* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 11:25:11 Because (1) Davis was on the DL twice last year and ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:27:44 Also Jansen is gonna want to close and Jed was pretty emphatic saying Davis is the closer - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:33:11 We can work that all out. Neither guy is in arbitration ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:25:28 I don't believe the Torres/Chapman trade is indicative of a market - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:31:15 I mean one year of Wade Davis, with injury questions draped all over him, cost us Jorge Soler - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:05:55 What's the going rate for middle relievers? - DT December 8, 2016, 12:15:30 The main increase in reliever price is really only for elite closers - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:19:41 Elite relievers have that value. Miller, Betances, Davis in his prime. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:24:22 Thornburg was pretty good last year - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:27:22 90 k in 67 innings, and worth 2.5 WAR which seems outstanding for middle relief - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:32:52 They got a 2.2 WAR third baseman (BRef which may be high) plus 2 arms. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:38:16 Relief pitchers have high high volatility.* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:34:24 Duly noted. Explains why Brewers didn't get more.* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:39:06 Red Sox paid a large prospect price for Thornberg* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:17:42 lol. - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:14:51 Given the price tag on Chapman at the deadline and free agency - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:02:01 I admit the price is much higher than I previously believed - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:08:55 Deadline trades are always bad - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:17:33 Torres was a top 30 prospect at the time - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:25:12 Torres was Torres at the time we traded him. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:22:45 who cares who he was, we won the WS. he can be arod for all i care* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 12:30:40 Going forward is what matters. Just don't want to be in that position again - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:46:01 If you could get Jansen for $16 million, sure - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:25:16 But the total is 86 million. And elite prospects like Happ and Jiminez (both potentially) - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:27:50 Happ and Jimenez are going be worth probably $40-$60 million - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:30:37 My prediction is Jansen holds up better due to repertoire. Almost all cutters. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:42:29 Maddon's postseason distrust of Rondon/Strop was health-based. - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 11:29:30 Are they healthy though?* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:14:04 The Cubs just traded for Davis* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:24:47 I think the return they gave up really informs the Davis trade. - GMAW December 8, 2016, 11:10:55 If healthy this bullpen looks like a monster. Hopefully Davis and Rondon's arms hold up.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:19:38 If Rondon and Strop are back we're set. It's just that injured pitchers ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:44:32 This is a factor. I don't think we knew the extent of Rondon's injury - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:09:52 He's certainly taken off. Read a scouting report that expects Torres to be top 10 in baseball - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:06:53 World Series Game 5 will always make it easier to stomach if Torres becomes a star.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 11:05:24 Even Game 6 & 7. Game 6, it's 7-2 but bases loaded for Lindor IIRC. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:15:13 Oof don't remind me of that 9th. So scary - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:18:26 Yeah, that Kipnis foul ball looked like trouble off the bat. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:23:51 Santana also missed a fat hanger. Such a great season came down to who could win the next inning* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:25:12 I felt so defeated with him going back out there. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:21:42 I have to give Chapman credit for somehow getting through the 9th with nothing left, gutsy* - delgriffith December 8, 2016, 11:55:49 Yeah, he saved us big time* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:47:31 Cubs fans are already totally insufferable on twitter - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:52:57 Yeah, need to let that one go. I genuinely do not think the Cubs win the WS without Chapman. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:58:19 Gleyber* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:45:07 It was really nice not having him on the Cubs last year. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:40:20 I'm going to eat the celebratory cake that I froze one year ago so I can rejoice yet again - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:20:50 Starlin Castro is a very good player and shouldn't have been traded!!! - Fanin1 December 8, 2016, 10:34:15 Ugh!* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:50:45 I think the term you're looking for is "meh".* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:51:18 No, Ugh! is exactly the correct reference here* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:53:27 I don't remember ugh, just that Zobrist was a "meh signing".* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:59:40 Ace posted Ugh! everytime Zobrist was in the top 5 of the lineup - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:01:58 Lol oh that's right, I was thinking "Ugh" in reference to Castro. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:04:56 Fitting that ***d thought signing the World Series MVP was "meh" and that he "ugh"ed him.... - Illiniphil December 8, 2016, 11:55:18 dumb revisionist history* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:57:56 You said both of those things. By definition, that means they can't be revisionist. - Illiniphil December 8, 2016, 12:04:30 nothing you said about the world series at bats was correct - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:10:31 You're reading something into it that wasn't there. - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:19:39 first and foremost - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:22:49 lol at even Maddon agreed with me. Zobrist batted 3rd with a healthy Schwarber* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:50:58 which was a mistake - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 13:05:50 Batting Rizzo twice in the order was a stroke of genius.* - Illiniphil December 8, 2016, 13:17:33 And you're evidence for that is??? - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 13:09:56 or maybe look at where he batted the most all season long - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 14:01:27 Yes, you didn't want him in that spot for the at least the first two months of the season* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:27:15 wasn't the first two months. far shorter span of time - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:30:14 I agree that your history is dumb. None of that is revisionist though* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:03:52 he completely misrepresented my thoughts and feelings* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:11:35 not accurate - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:04:31 According to Otani's manager new rules won't affect his decision - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:09:00 Strange. Can he sign a deal to be exempt from arb like Cespedes in the past? - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 10:30:47 Someone asked Badler this question and he said MLB would consider it circumvention - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:39:31 I don't think so. Cespedes signed a major league deal he was 26 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:35:35 Good lord, this is depressing if you're a Cardinal fan - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 8:55:03 I'm not so worried about the timeline - illini December 8, 2016, 10:48:54 Great... a 30-year old guy coming off a career year who plays in Colorado - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 11:27:31 You guys should keep your draft pick, regroup and try to bounce back in 2018. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:42:10 I'm sure they'll end up getting a CF, probably Fowler. Lots of activity that is still to happen.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 9:32:26 Is this year two or three where the Cardinals have done virtually nothing in the Winter meetings?* - Figs December 8, 2016, 9:22:07 Technically, I guess so. But Leake was signed shortly after meetings last year* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:31:02 And the Heyward trade was a month before* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 9:31:46 And they signed Oh last year, which was a huge pick up* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:32:46 Bowtie sucks* - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 8:57:19 Agree, but obviously Matheny and DeWitt are part of the problem as well* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:09:18 I've never heard of DeWitt being a problem. And while I am no Matheny fan, I'm under the impression - jayd December 8, 2016, 9:22:17 I think it would have to do with Heyward/Fowler relationship* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 9:27:57 That's my guess as well. Heyward has clearly communicated something - jayd December 8, 2016, 9:29:15 If true, maybe the fact that Cardinals fans have harassed Fowler's good friend Jason Heyward - GMAW December 8, 2016, 9:26:49 I think the Fowler thing could be as simple as he loved playing for the Cubs/Maddon - illini December 8, 2016, 9:25:13 I'd imagine that's a big part of it. Fowler clearly wanted to go back to Chicago last year* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:36:40 DeWitt is not part of the problem - bigbop85 December 8, 2016, 9:20:57 If he was the main driver behind hiring and then extending Matheny, he's part of the problem* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:24:34 Matheny doesn't have to a problem if Bowtie doesn't want him to be. - Pooter December 8, 2016, 9:15:54 I'm beginning to suspect that Matheny was DeWitt's guy - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:22:29 Welcome. Plenty of room on the bus* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 9:01:57 Braves just took Armando Rivero from the Cubs in the rule 5.* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 8:06:50 What makes a player eligible for Rule 5?* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:43:50 Cardinals lose SS Cordoba to Padres. Cubs acquire LHP Caleb Smith from Brewers - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 9:26:31 The Cubs also took Kevin Cornelius which seems odd - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 9:30:14 freakin' padres - jayd December 8, 2016, 9:28:12 Sox take RHP Dylan Covey from A's* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 8:08:14 LOL, classic Bruce Levine. Reporting Sox took Dillon Webb... who doesn't exist* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 8:09:46 No, no: they took Marshall Dillon and Jack Webb.* - osklister December 8, 2016, 8:11:56 What would a Bob Dylan-Jimmy Webb collaboration sound like? Blowin' in MacArthur's Park? * - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 8:21:38 Nats pursuing Kenley Jansen, per Rosenthal* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 7:54:26 I think Jansen gets 5/85* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:43:17 Rule 5 Draft starts here in 15 minutes - jayd December 8, 2016, 7:45:26 WaPo's Nats columnist trying to convince himself the Eaton deal was a good one - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 7:19:37 I like reading Boswell. 30 years ago, he was the best baseball writer in the U.S. - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 8:19:34 It shouldnt be that difficult to convince yourself - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 7:55:21 None of those arms are can't miss, and even if they hit they could flame out. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:39:33 I think a lot of Nats fans were expecting Giolito to be the second coming of Sandy Koufax - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 8:39:59 It's a problem we all have. I know I'm guilty - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 8:56:24 Are you in the industry?* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 8:04:59 *snicker* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 9:00:41 Eaton is what he is: a great outfielder. - tit December 8, 2016, 7:44:00 I traded he and Cespedes for Schwarber a year ago. - JeffFrank December 8, 2016, 9:29:23 Yeah, I don't really get the anecdotes of shocked faces at the meetings. - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 7:49:11 HTF is Kevin Millar a thing? I was watching MLB Tonight, and holy shit is he terrible* - bjl63 December 8, 2016, 9:09:56 He's very loud * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 9:16:25 which begs a second question - tit December 8, 2016, 7:46:31 Yeah just imagine if all the players you guys got hit - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 7:51:45 So many young arms - tit December 8, 2016, 8:05:56 "Then Lopez arrived last season and outshown him easily..." - DT December 8, 2016, 7:34:34 I'm not sure many that watched many Sox games would regard Eaton as a "plus" base runner. - illini222 December 8, 2016, 7:33:40 caveat: Robin* - OskeeWowWowDig December 8, 2016, 7:40:42 Chapman to Yankees. 5 years/$86M* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 22:35:43 Thank god he's back in the AL* - CWR10 December 8, 2016, 6:59:50 Supposedly full no-trade for 3 years, then has a clause that he can't be traded to a California team - OB25 December 7, 2016, 23:01:00 Interesting I expected more. 90+* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 22:44:11 i am surprised there isnt a club option for year 6 - WesMantooth December 8, 2016, 7:02:44 Good. That's a bad contract* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 22:41:14 makes me love the wade davis deal - WesMantooth December 8, 2016, 7:07:23 I think the Cubs are gaming the system. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 7:46:35 trading Gleybar and Soler for closers isn't really gaming the system - tit December 8, 2016, 7:48:22 The Chapman trade definitely bit them ... but Soler for Davis is the perfect move. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:08:34 agree on torres, not on soler - WesMantooth December 8, 2016, 10:43:08 Yeah, if Dave Stewart makes that Chapman trade, he's universally mocked. - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 7:51:26 How dumb were the Reds for selling so low on him. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:10:14 I should also point out Cubs were equally dumb in not trading for him and ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:15:38 The Chapman trade was significantly worse than this Eaton trade - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 8:03:01 Yeah, Gleyber is worth a minimum $50 million as a prospect. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:14:01 Pirates keeping McCutcheon, moving him to corner OF spot.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 21:16:20 Asking price for Quintana too high for Astros. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 20:50:42 if your gm can't get his dick sucked by duhnow you need a new gm* - ignignokt December 8, 2016, 12:19:32 If the Sox want Bregman he's right. That's too much.* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 22:42:29 Luhnow made those same comments earlier today about Sale - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 20:52:20 Lol Royals wanted schwarber for Davis at the deadline* - illini21 December 7, 2016, 20:17:30 Passan says Rockies looking for top of rotation starter via trade. Donuts!! - OB25 December 7, 2016, 19:01:03 Rockies can't get guys to sign there. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:03:04 Rodgers really only top level prospect they have - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 19:02:10 Randon thought-no one else's-but a 3 way trade with the Cardinals would make sense - illini222 December 7, 2016, 20:02:09 They could move Blackmon or Cargo for more prospects I guess. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:04:00 They can definitely build a deal around Rodgers, just would be really hard without him* - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 20:12:05 MLB starting to update their prospect pages/logos - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 18:46:19 Phil Rogers tweeting that Sox/Stros working on a deal for Q* - OskeeWowWowDig December 7, 2016, 18:13:53 Although I don't see any tweets from Rogers on this* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:16:01 It was reported he said it on MLB by some random guy that I saw* - illini222 December 7, 2016, 18:19:19 I saw it on MLB Network. Said talks are fall along with Houston* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 18:25:34 someone in my feed retweeted him...Werner maybe* - OskeeWowWowDig December 7, 2016, 19:26:02 If they get Tucker and Martes wow* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:14:45 That doesn't seem like a wow, that seems like a solid return but about what you'd expect. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 18:55:23 Wow for where their system would be. I expect a ton for Quintana* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:58:30 Ok yea, I agree with that.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 19:00:14 would cement duhnow's status as shit for brains with no equal* - ignignokt December 7, 2016, 18:16:52 *misses on Sale, goes after the scraps** - CasinoCavalier December 7, 2016, 18:42:13 these are high class scraps - tit December 7, 2016, 18:49:09 I'm sure that's the pitch to Duhnow. Still not worth Ted Williams Jr.* - CasinoCavalier December 7, 2016, 18:55:57 Yeah Q could be the best pitcher on the Stros - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:50:30 Sox have already moved their best piece putting them in a position of MUST SELL - CasinoCavalier December 7, 2016, 19:01:00 They don't have to trade anyone before the season - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:46:39 You only need two teams to make a market * - tit December 7, 2016, 19:07:07 And I'd imagine the Sox have more than 2 suitors on Q - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 19:12:49 There are no good free agent pitchers, Q is cheap and only 27 - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:51:40 There no way he'd only get 4 years. He not even 28* - tit December 7, 2016, 20:16:05 Good point, he'd require an even longer commitment* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 20:24:02 I wonder if Hahn is just drunk at the bar* - tit December 7, 2016, 17:59:59 Soler for Davis. * - harb99 December 7, 2016, 17:11:58 I'm not the biggest Cards fan, but JC, why not try to get something done * - Blues December 7, 2016, 17:44:33 No clue. Guess they just want to be tire kickers this year. * - harb99 December 7, 2016, 17:47:21 Just checking in again - looks like the Cards have done nothing. - uofi1998 December 7, 2016, 17:11:13 Reading between the lines on Goold's tweets - Sydney Carton December 7, 2016, 21:07:55 Bernie appears to be no fan of matheny either. Which is good. * - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 7:52:43 payroll muscle. dry powder. blah blah blah * - Pooter December 7, 2016, 17:34:01 I'm not happy so far but i also wouldn't want to pay that for Eaton* - CWR10 December 7, 2016, 17:24:19 No doubt. Good for the Sox for getting it, but yikes.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 7, 2016, 17:42:40 Dan Hayes said Cards were interested in Eaton but assume they back off - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 17:13:28 So the only prospect worth a shit in this supposedly solid system is Reyes. - uofi1998 December 7, 2016, 20:56:21 Avi tender makes sense now. Somebody has to play. * - tit December 7, 2016, 17:06:00 Also helps with their 2018 draft pick* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 17:21:14 With a few more deals, certainly in play for the top pick in '18 * - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 18:20:45 Someone has to bring in the fans, why not Avi?* - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:06:55 Maybe we get lucky, he has a big first half, and we can deal him then* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 17:11:21 Fun to be a White Sox fan again. Keep selling!* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 16:51:39 Cubs success at rebuilding gave them cover I think* - ab75 December 7, 2016, 16:58:25 And this is such a cleaner rebuild too. The Cubs had absolutely nothing to deal with. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 17:00:11 The Sox don't even have any bad contracts (that I'm aware of).* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:44:52 Big game James!* - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:52:58 Even at ~$9mm, it's not horrible if he can eat innings* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 17:54:55 Definitely not terrible. Just let him pitch like he's Old Hoss Radbourn next year* - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:56:18 I think it more convinced Jerry and Kenny - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:00:10 They turned Hector Santiago into Giolitio, Dunning, and Lopez* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:52:11 I was really hoping Cards would of taken Dane Dunning in the draft - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 17:00:07 so is the market again shrinking for Dexter? - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 16:43:11 He's supposedly got a 4/~$60-65 offer on the table from the Jays. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:56:16 Too bad the cubs can't bring him back for 15 mil per* - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 17:12:56 Blue Jays, Cardinals still interested and probably others* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:45:35 I get the feeling that Jays will end up with Fowler* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:47:11 I hope the Cards to keep the Heyward comps going strong* - JeffFrank December 7, 2016, 16:59:37 Ha the White Sox last two hauls are scaring other teams to deal with them - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:41:41 The truth is we're running out of teams with monster farm systems to deal with - tit December 7, 2016, 16:44:00 It's too bad that the Pirates aren't making one last run for it. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:58:41 Q for Happ and Eloy. Who says no? Would leave the Cubs system a wasteland.* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 16:53:37 I think Cubs rotation for 2017 is fine. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:53:49 I don't think Cubs would do deal. Think they are going to be more suited for a Tyson Ross - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:55:07 I think it has to be the Astros for Q. Dodgers for Frazier (if Turner leaves) - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:45:02 and Barves* - tit December 7, 2016, 16:44:59 Whoa Adam Eaton possibly going to Washington - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:23:43 Cameron points out that given the Nats play Werth and Zimmerman ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:02:00 Nats must be watching budget so they can afford a Harper extension* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:56:27 Surprised we never heard about the Nats being interested in Fowler.* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 16:43:39 That is mind blowing to me since him and Eaton profile similarly offensively* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:52:15 I'd guess they have budget restrictions - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 16:46:02 They have to resign Bryce* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 18:05:41 Giolito + for Sox according to Heyman* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:01:28 Wow Giolito, Dunning and Lopez for Eaton per Rosenthal. Wow* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:04:26 looks like all the baseball GMs think it was a huge overpay too - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 17:08:16 Good!* - MtHoodIllini December 7, 2016, 18:19:25 Sirius MLB radio was ripping it too but they have no idea how good Eaton really is* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:58:02 I mean this dude says that the Nats would be better with Michael Taylor - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:12:29 I'd be skeptical of that. I'd bet the team on the north side doesn't view at as a huge overpay - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:10:50 I think a lot of people are rightly skeptical of outfield defensive metrics. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 17:27:45 Also the GM of the Nats Mike Rizzo is as old school scout-y as it gets for modern GM* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:36:55 But we have evidence that MLB front offices are not skeptical of them - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:29:27 What are the odds Giolito is a 2 WAR pitcher? - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 18:01:26 It looks like he definitely has a high bust potential. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 18:23:10 Happy camper with this deal. - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:08:00 So if the Cards made this deal, we'd be looking at Reyes and who else?* - illiniviz December 7, 2016, 16:31:58 Dan Saint told me the "who else" would be coming from the Sox to the Cardinals* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 16:35:27 oh bite me! lol. I was wrong. * - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:44:03 Just poking ya, Saint* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 16:44:32 it's cool. just playing along as well* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:45:16 I predict the deal to be generally frowned upon here in DC.* - Tortillini December 7, 2016, 16:31:30 I would not be thrilled with this if I'm a Nationals fan.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:29:40 Eaton's way better than Michael Taylor - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:30:58 Oh I don't dispute that Eaton is a great pickup for them. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:31:49 Per Jorge Castillo, they offered the same P's + Robles for Sale* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:22:19 Wow, that would've been a pretty decent haul as well* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 16:23:29 But consdiering they basically got that + Moncada and Kopech - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:26:34 Yea...big deals for those of us crying SELL SELL SELL for a couple of years - OskeeWowWowDig December 7, 2016, 16:29:35 That's a very nice haul.* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:13:39 that seems pretty crazy* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:12:14 It's probably two top 25-40 pitchers plus a non-top 100 pitcher - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:17:40 why did the Nats do it? You can get another CF option without giving all of those guys up* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:22:19 Eaton is really good on a very team friendly deal. - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:26:04 Fowler, if they have money to spend. That's a lot for Eaton* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:27:45 I'd rather pay the price the Nats paid for Eaton than the contract Fowler will get - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:31:48 Not really. Eaton is worth a ton* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:30:17 I guess I don't have value him that highly with so much value in his RF defensive stats* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:33:09 The Nats offered over $200 million for Heyward. Eaton is the poor man's Heyward - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:35:44 That's a strong haul, good for them - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 16:11:14 Plz gimme yo thoughts on Dunning & Lopez.* - detlef December 7, 2016, 16:05:08 Basically Giolito, Lopez, Burdi, Kopech, Hansen, Fulmer, Dunning is the best collection of arms IMO - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:09:51 In Dunning and Fulmer, they'll lead the league in bespectacled pitchers* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:21:24 And Frazier and Robertson and possibly Abreu. That system can be LOADED* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:11:04 Now deal Q for bats. - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:14:51 Many think Lopez is better than Giolito now. Dunning was their 1st round pick in June from UF - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:05:44 Sell Rick Hahn Sell!* - detlef December 7, 2016, 15:48:50 Rosenthal: Deal close. No Robles* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:41:46 Then I think Giolito is in the deal. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 15:47:49 Please no Robles to the AL. Drafted him early in both NL roto farmer drafts last year* - JeffFrank December 7, 2016, 15:45:45 dont know what a deal without Robles looks like. Need bats. * - tit December 7, 2016, 15:43:59 Yeah, their next best hitting prospects are 18 and 19* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:57:56 Yeah I'd much rather have Robles than Giolito or Lopez - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:53:30 _____ - paignfull December 7, 2016, 15:47:49 Not the centerpiece, but without looking at what is being reported... - OB25 December 7, 2016, 15:43:46 Hopefully, they still get decent value. But, you would have assumed Robles would be included* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 15:43:43 Wow, I think that's good news for Sox fans. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 15:38:03 Yes, please* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:39:56 If you are using WAR to value Eaton ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 15:45:04 You have to factor in decline* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:48:16 and FOs not trusting defensive metrics as much* - tit December 7, 2016, 15:49:42 I have him more $60-80 million surplus value. Still pretty valuable* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:51:42 Especially since most of the teams interested are looking for him to play CF* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 15:50:15 he's fine in CF because the bat plays up - tit December 7, 2016, 15:52:20 Interesting. They do need a CF, so makes some sense. - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:34:40 hopefully for the Sale deal!* - tit December 7, 2016, 15:32:28 I mean there's no way that Quintana or Robertson stay - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:35:27 They could see him as a mentor of sorts to Moncada I suppose - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:39:38 Apparently Hahn had a press conference set for 3:30 (central) which has been delayed* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:24:54 Cubs gave Davis a physical this morning. Obviously passed* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:39:12 Closer for a bad backup outfielder? Great deal * - Efrem December 7, 2016, 16:36:53 Used the whole fist?* - Pooter December 7, 2016, 14:19:11 "Hey Doc, I'm only 31, just check my arm.".* - Deano December 7, 2016, 14:15:17 So what do the Cardinals do now? Cain? Eaton? Blackmon? - Sydney Carton December 7, 2016, 13:02:41 People are speculating that Blackmon makes the most sense - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:12:15 None of the four I listed are going to be cheap - Sydney Carton December 7, 2016, 13:27:38 No thanks to platooning Pham. I've seen enough to safely designate him a AAAA player* - CWR10 December 7, 2016, 13:57:19 Don't you have to be kinda young still to be considered aaaa... - SportzAndMalortz December 7, 2016, 14:12:55 No. Pham is a textbook AAAA* - Pooter December 7, 2016, 15:33:05 I'm kind of hoping they sign Fowler to a 4 year deal with an opt out after 3 - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:45:35 some talk that either Desmond or CarGo will play 1B and they keep Blackmon* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 13:19:08 Fine by me, I don't want him* - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:43:16 same. Eaton or Cain sound real good. But the price could be steep* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 13:45:53 I prefer Cain to Eaton based on price - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:49:58 Rosenthal, kozma, Wong, peralta and Bader for Mike trout... - SportzAndMalortz December 7, 2016, 13:06:17 How many times are you going to make this joke?* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 13:15:32 10 at least... - SportzAndMalortz December 7, 2016, 13:16:59 It was definitely funny the first 3 or 4 times* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 13:17:39 Wade Davis trade is official* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:49:02 just saw something about dex signing with colorado. can't find it in the thread* - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:34:13 Ian Desmond signed with Colorado. Dex hasn't signed anywhere* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:35:02 saw this on facebook: - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:36:04 Or that guy confused Dexter Fowler with Ian Desmond. Scroll down* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:37:03 story is coming out. i guess bob nightengale tweeted it out incorrectly - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:39:03 gotta be. i saw that and thought if it wasn't in this thread it didn't happen* - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:38:02 Yesterday's Sale trade was so exciting...I keep refreshing twitter for the next one to drop - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 12:14:05 Heyman says the Sox are interested in Francis Martes and a fictional 2nd player from Stros for Q - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:29:22 would want more - tit December 7, 2016, 12:58:56 I really like Kyle Tucker. I think he's more a top 30 guy than top 50 - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:00:13 quite a collection of electric arms amassing - tit December 7, 2016, 13:03:32 Worst case, with Fulmer, Burdi, and Kopech the back of the 'pen will be filthy* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 13:33:45 which is great, but i think we've learned it's better to be the cubs than the mets* - snipes824 December 7, 2016, 13:20:21 Yes, I want mostly bats from any trades they make* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 13:34:19 coulda had Soler dude* - Tortillini December 7, 2016, 13:40:42 Burdi and Kopech fastballs are both holy shit* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:04:26 Definitely something the sox need - tit December 7, 2016, 13:01:40 Based on Hahn's quotes I think the Sox are going to be loaded - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:03:32 Probably supposed to be Tucker?* - KVS December 7, 2016, 12:31:05 That was my guess* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:31:30 some think he meant Fisher* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 12:30:44 Boy if you sold *all* those guys off........ - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 12:23:07 I think Robertson moves fast once Davis, Chapman, Jansen are all settled* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:21:02 Cameron: Win-Win trade of Soler-Davis - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 11:14:30 I would like for this trade to become official. Feels less likely the longer this goes on.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 12:19:29 Is this official yet? I'm seeing conflicting reports.* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 11:17:18 Not yet. All the reports I've seen say it's in the medical review stage - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 11:20:27 TIFWIW...but Jim Bowden thinks Ian Desmond is going to St. Louis to play CF* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 9:59:50 With the Rockies having the 11th pick I'm kind of surprised they signed Desmond for that much money* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 12:22:53 Rockies lineup is very good. I still think a Quintana/Rodgers deal would be interesting... - OB25 December 7, 2016, 10:39:32 Rodgers is a high school kid and so far away from the majors ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 12:23:52 Rodgers is 20 and will probably start in AA next year - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:32:46 Yeah, I just can't see COL giving up big-time offensive prospects for top pitching - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 12:36:46 You can't really aim much higher, he's a top 5 prospect in baseball. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 12:29:37 It just seems really risky to me but there must be a good reason he's that highly rated ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 13:13:45 5 years/$70 million for Desmond* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:27:57 Coulda had 7/$107* - Tortillini December 7, 2016, 10:42:47 La Cheeserie.* - cpsteine December 7, 2016, 15:38:53 And gave up their first round pick, too* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 10:39:38 trade bruce AND granderson, sign desmond for CF, sign ziegler to 2 year contract - snipes824 December 7, 2016, 10:19:01 appears Mets are done per a lot of things I've read* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 10:19:36 they're going to trade an OF. it's just a matter if they can get anything back* - snipes824 December 7, 2016, 10:20:38 Now, Rosenthal says Rockies* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 10:17:27 Done per MLB traderumors. Desmond to Rockies* - illiniviz December 7, 2016, 10:25:49 this shit is so damn fluid. Now I wonder if Cards are in on Blackmon? - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 10:18:45 Rosenthal confirms that Davis for Soler straight up is the trade if completed* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:42:51 Crasnick: Cubs being "thorough" and doing due diligence on Davis medicals - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:26:13 The Cubs doctor is a good man. - tit December 7, 2016, 12:21:21 Mr. Davis would you slide your shorts down please?* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 12:22:07 Dr. Van Nostrand on the case* - illiniviz December 7, 2016, 10:21:41 If Soler goes, my favorite memory of him will not be the HR in his 1st AB or his great postseason... - OB25 December 7, 2016, 8:50:25 Easy choice: 2 run bomb in game 2 of NLDS.* - Choooch December 7, 2016, 9:17:04 I was at that game at Busch. I was checking a message on my phone - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 8:55:41 Seems like today could be a big closer day. Davis/Chapman/Jansen. Possibly Robertson? - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:15:53 Make up your mind: are we talking about closers, or are we talking about Robertson?* - osklister December 7, 2016, 8:38:58 So Sox fans, what's the Cubs package you would have needed to not take the Red Sox deal? - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 7:55:46 Happ/Jimenez/De La Cruz/Hudson* - illini222 December 7, 2016, 10:28:29 What was the Red Sox deal? You mean what they gave up for Sale?* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 8:55:59 For Cub fans: where do you play Schwarber? - osklister December 7, 2016, 8:44:46 He's going to play LF vs RHP* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:45:20 Thanks for that info-from below, there's a lot of options/questions. - osklister December 7, 2016, 9:23:34 You think he'll catch any? Maybe 20-30 games to keep his bat in the lineup?* - VIV December 7, 2016, 8:52:27 Depends. He's still rehabbing his knee. He's not preparing to catch in spring training - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:55:27 Most likely - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:47:36 wow, so Baez only gets 40 starts or so?* - ab75 December 7, 2016, 8:55:46 My breakdown: - VIV December 7, 2016, 9:15:18 Don't forget DH.* - CIB December 7, 2016, 10:22:41 I forgot DH* - VIV December 7, 2016, 11:15:38 I think the wild card in all of this is Heyward - GMAW December 7, 2016, 9:33:15 True I was just thinking that. But I'm expecting him to have a .700-.750 OPS - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:35:44 I'd be pretty surprised at a few of those numbers - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:17:29 I think you have to find a way to get Baez's glove in the lineup - VIV December 7, 2016, 9:22:18 Baez needs to prove he can hit much better than his career .636 vs RHP - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:24:25 I know I don't watch every game the whole season, but it seems - ab75 December 7, 2016, 10:32:01 Also don't forget the Dodgers and Giants started almost all lefties* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:37:41 Playoff baseball isn't the same as regular season baseball - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:35:50 yeah, but generally in the playoffs it seems you're going to get less chances - ab75 December 7, 2016, 10:48:46 I expect him to get ~400 PA this season - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:52:49 OK, so semantics or misunderstanding - ab75 December 7, 2016, 11:23:01 I thought Baez had a really positive stretch in the playoffs with his approach at the plate. - VIV December 7, 2016, 9:35:57 The Cubs are a very platoon heavy team. I think you're also penciling in too many starts for Kyle - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:42:41 he started 68 games in 2016. i assume he will play 3rd, ss and 2b much like this season* - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 9:01:59 He's going to get some starts vs. select RHP - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:00:35 I'm sure they'll rest Zobrist a little ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:59:56 I'm pretty sure that experiment is over. He's the best infielder on the team - GMAW December 7, 2016, 9:28:42 So Baez is a part time player? - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:50:43 LOFL at Soler* - detlef December 7, 2016, 8:07:02 You'll always have the Sale postseason memories for the Sox - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 8:32:51 Still bitter? Sheesh.* - tit December 7, 2016, 8:39:20 Haha no, just like needling back detlef and the sox* - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 8:40:14 meh. You should have given TIKI a Julian Tavarez bobblehead instead.* - detlef December 7, 2016, 8:41:19 If it was Happ instead of Soler you'd think about it though.* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:09:29 Yeah, I played around with adding him instead there and even adding Cease.* - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 8:14:40 Yes.* - detlef December 7, 2016, 8:10:49 Hi detlef!* - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 8:08:58 Quintana seems like the next to go. Astros interested in him* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:31:52 Heyman mentions Nationals had Q discussions last night - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:52:49 If the Lopez inclusion is real, I think I like the Nats package better? - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 8:04:19 Hahn says they picked Boston because the top end was too good to pass up - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:33:57 He sounds totally ready to part with everyone too - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:36:20 I'd rather have Moncada and Kopech - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:06:46 I was shocked to read Fangraphs write up on Moncada - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:01:19 I wouldn't worry about KATOH* - tit December 7, 2016, 8:29:26 Benintendi looks like a safer prospect. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:03:28 Lastly ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:08:56 per Nightengale...it's official. Soler to KC for Wade Davis. Will be announced in AM - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 0:25:32 1 year rental or are they going to sign him long term?* - VIV December 7, 2016, 6:18:47 I would guess its a rental. - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:04:54 Even the Cubs can't keep trading prospects for rentals, though. - DT December 7, 2016, 7:16:39 Soler's value is at an all time low. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:05:58 I'm hoping they think Carl Edwards Jr might be the closer solution... - shua December 7, 2016, 7:59:02 They don't need a long term closer. They have pretty well established core - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:19:48 Well, this is the second straight year they've sent out prospects for a rental closer. - DT December 7, 2016, 7:26:14 They've been pretty clear though they don't believe in paying long term for bullpen help - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:29:56 I think that all makes sense in the abstract - DT December 7, 2016, 7:41:48 Off the top of my head Theo has given out one 3 year deal to a closer - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:49:04 Soler isn't a prospect* - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 7:26:47 Prospect/young player - DT December 7, 2016, 7:28:38 Also Soler is a guy that is expendable. The Cubs OF is cramped - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:38:49 To answer your first question probably* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:31:06 Eh if they are still reviewing medicals its not official yet - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 0:31:54 Gordo says the holdup is Cubs looking at Davis medicals. Says it will be Soler for Davis tomorrow AM - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:43:41 Heyman also adds its Soler for Davis and hadn't heard other names* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:56:45 Rangers and Astros may be swapping Carloses. Gomez working towards Rangers* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:36:30 Completely forgot he finished the year with Texas and lit it up - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:53:00 This is done Gomez to the Rangers on 1 year deal* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:45:02 Are the Cards going to do anything, or is bowtie going to get clowned again? - uofi1998 December 6, 2016, 21:40:16 Hold this * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 23:02:40 You're so specific * - uofi1998 December 7, 2016, 7:18:15 All the cards crap for Mike trout... - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 21:47:47 I think they will do something. Now whether or not it's ENOUGH is another* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 21:42:00 now Rosenthal saying it's close. Davis for Soler - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 21:33:06 Nightengale (TIFWIW) says Cubs may need more back from Royals for 1 yr of Davis - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 21:55:08 That'd be fun. Gives us Dyson* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:58:02 And then there's Sherman, saying he thinks Royals would get more than what Cubs gave up for Chapman* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:14:39 Most likely it's Soler for Davis. - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:19:53 My guess is the Cubs end up having to throw in another small piece. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:29:31 Also Jay isn't organizational depth. He provides exactly what they want him to provide - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:44:34 If we traded for Dyson would we need Jay on the major league roster? - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:52:38 Dyson isn't a throw-in though. You'd have to give up something pretty good to get him. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:54:27 It remains to be seen what Dyson brings back but I doubt its anything that meaningful - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:57:47 It won't be anything crazy, but will be at least a decent prospect. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 23:00:44 I'd be surprised if they get a top 100 guy back, but we'll see - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 23:03:19 They aren't trading for Dyson. They made the Jay move. They aren't bringing anyone to replace him* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:54:26 I think it's the Royals that have to contribute more if it's not a 1:1. - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:41:12 There's a fairly decent chance that Soler never amounts to anything though. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:45:57 Davis though is not without risk. Some drop in his numbers last year. So he's not 100% either* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:47:25 4 years for Soler and he can opt into arbitration* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:42:33 I misread baseball reference's number. Thanks* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:47:57 Lol, now all the insiders are backing off again. How many times will this be "close?"* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 21:44:30 Joel Sherman adds "strong sense Davis to Cubs" but also that it might not be done to tonight* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:57:35 "seriously down the road" per Passan - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:47:00 I'm a little torn. I'm all for trading Soler but not necessarily for a rental with arm cancer.* - warrenillini December 6, 2016, 21:45:36 A little sad to see soler go even though it was obvious he was the odd man out - illini21 December 6, 2016, 21:34:48 Good bye Jorge. Wish it would have worked out better - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:34:41 really wish he would've been used in a trade for a young starter* - illini21 December 6, 2016, 21:35:55 This feels like fair value for him. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 21:40:28 Me too, but I'm glad we're keeping Jimenez and Happ* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:38:51 Greg amsinger just suggested soler and happ for Davis - illini21 December 6, 2016, 20:04:40 Lol. No* - mrap24 December 6, 2016, 21:01:02 Soler is more than enough* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 20:42:31 holy god no* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 20:18:01 Who's Happ? * - Efrem December 6, 2016, 20:17:40 top Cubs prospect. Can play OF or 2B. * - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 20:18:55 Ian Happ their top prospect and 1st round draft pick two years ago - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:18:36 Ok thanks * - Efrem December 7, 2016, 9:22:24 I wouldn't give up more than montero, szczur, lastella, and strop, - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 20:11:47 A push from the Nats is the holdup, according to Stark. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 20:05:42 Just realized that half of these deals are probably going down a few blocks from my house... - LeatherneckIllini December 6, 2016, 19:58:20 Wilson Ramos to TB on a 2 year deal. Should be interesting with the torn ACL* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:48:01 probably won't be back until late June/early July?* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:48:56 Cain, davis, escobar. For rosenthal, pheralta, wong and bader - villain December 6, 2016, 19:45:50 I'd love for the Cubs to trade for Dyson. Nice platoon option w Almora* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 20:46:46 I guess Jay may prevent that* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 20:48:10 MMac, how did Dyson have the highest WAR for Royals position players?* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 19:58:34 Because Hosmer/Cain/Gordon/Perez all had shit years and Escobar blows* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:00:48 And Moustakas got hurt* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:01:05 where would he have fit on the Cubs?* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 20:17:03 I think he'd have been a better option than Jon Jay. Platoon him with Almora* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:18:03 Won't happen. BowTie is in the spa. Couples massage with Matheny* - Pooter December 6, 2016, 19:57:31 having expensive desserts and caviar* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:58:38 000 - Tortillini December 6, 2016, 19:47:38 That rumor was posted below last night by pooter* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:47:35 I actually heard this last night on MLB Network Radio* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:47:18 Liar - villain December 6, 2016, 19:47:57 bzzzzzzzz* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:48:29 snag in deal now per Passan - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:43:32 I would assume medicals on Davis* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:44:25 Rosenthal tends to think that's the holdup also* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:53:20 I hope the Cubs use that to lower the price* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:54:06 or get another piece in that deal for around the same package* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:55:43 Passan says Cubs/Royals deal NOT DONE but all signs point to something getting done - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:33:39 Davis to the Cubs? per Olney* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:17:21 Passan backing off, saying there could be a snag. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 19:44:09 I am pretty worried about the price* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 19:36:18 Especially given that the Nats and Dodgers have a lot of interest as well. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 19:40:41 Soler would annoy me, but I guess I could part with that. - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:42:46 MLB network guys (Amsinger/Lowell/Derosa) throwing out crazy names - OB25 December 6, 2016, 20:01:36 Amsinger is an idiot and I don't think DeRo or Lowell have a clue* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:03:13 I like Amsinger but I think he's trying to do a Mad Dog gimmick - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 20:24:25 Meh he's been a dolt for years and proves it nightly* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:25:54 Awesome. Hope it's true (and that we aren't shocked at the price, like with Chapman)* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 19:23:07 Not done. Passan/Olney both reported close. Passan adds growing optimism will be done* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:33:53 Soler included, perhaps?* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:20:02 no Duffy?* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 19:17:47 I think they keep Duffy but I'd love to pair Duffy with Montgomery again* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:18:42 Passan too. Always making moves during the BA Gala lol* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:17:41 Royals focused on moving Davis and Dyson. Close to moving Dyson - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:05:16 MLB.com slotted the prospects post-trade - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 18:26:18 Sounds like there's a lot of buzz about a Wade Davis deal being on the horizon for someone. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 18:09:21 Seems like most Davis buzz centers around LA* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 18:15:47 and I'm seeing online Cubs are considered one of the favorites for Holland* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 18:17:21 Mitch The B!tch Moreland to Bosox per Rosenthal* - bbonb December 6, 2016, 17:06:32 Another white red shoe will rise up... - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 17:10:34 Moreland to Boston on a 1 year deal. Boston probably done adding - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 17:06:17 gotta beat the best to be the best son - djtrumpillini December 6, 2016, 19:17:31 So the Rangers are signing encarnacion and Joey bats?... - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 19:29:39 woah: yankees make contract offers for BOTH Jensen and Chapman - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 15:59:32 I love it, but perhaps we pump the brakes a little, Passan - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 15:38:09 Passan also compares himself with Ford Frick and Grantland Rice regularly* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 15:50:41 Wondering if Cubs go after Buchholz now. Wouldn't surprise me* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 15:27:21 Boston has a surplus of starters for sure.* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 15:30:22 Porcello, Price, Sale, Rodriguez, Pomeranz, Wright, Buchholz. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 15:52:33 I'd think Pomeranz has to be in the rotation* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 15:56:04 Agreed, but there's been talk of moving him to the pen. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 16:06:52 Dombrowski says the CBA was Hahn's impetus for Sale trade - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 15:25:57 Per Nightengale re: Quintana - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 15:00:50 Quintana is basically equivalent value to Sale - tit December 6, 2016, 15:19:55 Don't take too big a step back. Don't stop now boys!* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 15:09:48 Dodgers and Royals involved in trade talks. Guessing Wade Davis* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:08:59 Or could theoretically be Mike Moustakas* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:09:49 I think Hosmer will be the only one they end up signing to a deal - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:22:04 Levine says BoSox picking up the remaining $31 million on Moncada's original deal.* - AintHatin December 6, 2016, 13:50:00 I think Bruce has those numbers wrong* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:58:39 Moncada is only getting $31.5 million total. The other $31.5 goes to MLB as tax - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:00:55 Although the tax is probably due with the bonus payment - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:03:25 And Bruce clarifies - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:06:44 Just got better.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 6, 2016, 13:52:18 Per Jen Langosch: Sox may want Carson Kelly in deal for Adam Eaton - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 13:39:05 They'd probably targeting Reyes from the Cards* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:43:31 Reyes for Eaton? - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 13:53:52 Oh, Cardinal boy* - GMAW December 6, 2016, 15:18:59 I didn't know Eaton's contract. I was under impression he had 1-2 years left* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 15:29:01 Should be a no-brainer for Cardinals - Sydney Carton December 6, 2016, 14:07:20 you might be right there. I still think Reyes will be a super reliever this year anyway - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:18:45 Matheny is an equal opportunity arm-wrecker. Starters, relievers, matters not* - Sydney Carton December 6, 2016, 15:40:35 He was a freaking 6 win player last year - tit December 6, 2016, 14:00:07 Get 'er done* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 14:01:51 agreed. now that I know his contract situation. I say hell yes.* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:05:13 I'm gettting giddy with the teardown seemingly a full go - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 14:06:40 I thought his contract was up sooner than it is* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:01:19 Think you may need to do some more research on Adam Eaton, Saint* - Carl Spackler December 6, 2016, 13:55:31 I know he's a really good OF...but I don't see Cards going that route to give up Reyes - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 13:58:27 Eaton has three years plus two friendly options. He's worth a ton - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:59:38 THAT I didn't know. Some reason I thought his contract was up soon - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:00:48 Cain is a free agen after next IIRC. Plenty of control with Eaton.* - Sydney Carton December 6, 2016, 14:08:34 I just like Cain in CF more than Eaton in CF. Hell...I'd try to do BOTH deals if possible - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:16:19 Wouldn't you want Eaton in RF?* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 14:17:01 I mistyped. edited it. * - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:17:53 So dumb - there will be no exception to the international hard cap for Otani (or others like him) - OB25 December 6, 2016, 13:34:02 3 years is also when the Cubs' debt/budget issues go away, no?* - Tortillini December 6, 2016, 14:13:13 Si also when TV contracts come up. Big year for the Cubs - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:14:21 think Cubs will do their own TV network ala Yankees?* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:17:17 Indeed a bummer, I've been penciling him into the Cubs 2018 rotation AND lineup.* - warrenillini December 6, 2016, 13:38:01 Sure sounds like the Cubs front office has been planning their resources around that idea too. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 13:39:59 That Red Sox rotation has 4 lefties (Sale, Price, Pomeranz, Rodriguez) - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:08:47 Nationals are going to be desperate now after losing Melancon and Sale. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:41:53 Go get Quintana* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:42:43 It's kind of amazing how many baseball people (journalists/insiders/etc.)... - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:51:38 Because I wrongly assumed Boston wouldn't move Moncada that's the guy I expected the Red Sox to get* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 13:00:32 This. Giolito and Robles* - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 12:45:43 Would have to think good groundwork laid on a deal for Quintana. - Carl Spackler December 6, 2016, 12:44:26 Move Frazier to LA if they can't get a deal done with Turner* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:47:06 talk is Dodgers are interested - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:48:44 Go get Giolito and Robles for him now* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:45:23 please* - MtHoodIllini December 6, 2016, 14:11:31 I was just getting ready to say that* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:45:07 Wow Sale for Kopech/Moncada and two more per Rosenthal* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:12:37 Finally! * - MtHoodIllini December 6, 2016, 14:10:21 Seems like both teams made out pretty well. Love me some hot stove.* - warrenillini December 6, 2016, 13:17:02 this deal is way better than the Nats deal. Approved.* - tit December 6, 2016, 12:56:52 Amen. Now you tell the Nats they can have Q for the same deal* - StripedOrangeSox December 6, 2016, 13:33:44 Per BP, we got the nos 2, 5, and 6 BOS prospects* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 13:02:26 Kopech was suspended for PEDs and for fighting with a teammate* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:39:03 His GF is a reality TV 'star' - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:54:07 This is the kind of info that I need from the Ishers. LOL.* - osklister December 6, 2016, 13:20:48 Was he suspended or did he injure his hand fighting a teammate? - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:41:00 Per KLaw on scuffle. May be overblown. - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 15:05:29 my bad! LOL! Suspended 50 games for PEDs, gets into fight in spring training last year* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:41:51 Yep he's got issues but also a 105 MPH fastball* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:39:36 maybe Coop can get through to him in 2018* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:40:09 Nightengale says the other 2 players are Luis Basabe and Victor Diaz* - UIHuskie December 6, 2016, 12:35:21 Basabe (Red Sox #8) and Diaz (Red Sox #28) are other 2 players* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:34:58 Ha Red Sox traded both Luis Basabes* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:36:19 Did the White Sox get the Luis Basabe they wanted?* - illini222 December 6, 2016, 12:38:59 It would be awesome if the other Rougned Odor got traded, just to see the confusion.* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:38:19 That would rub me the wrong way.* - AintHatin December 6, 2016, 12:48:32 Yes!!* - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 12:34:27 Interesting. I didn't think they'd move Moncada. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:33:15 I don't think this happens if the Red Sox had a longer tenured GM. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:31:50 And Dombrowski has had no trouble pulling the trigger when selling prospects in the past* - delgriffith December 6, 2016, 13:01:52 Perhaps but Moncada is the type of guy that this trade had to be about - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:42:39 Moncada in AAA until Lawrie gets hurt again?* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:27:48 or does Lawrie get traded in a move? - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:29:50 How much trade value does Lawrie have? Injury prone, clubhouse lawyer. - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:31:11 Not much. I'd expect he's just there to suck PAs. - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:34:13 not a lot but I think he still has SOME value. Not a great deal - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:33:33 He could play CF too. I think he starts in Charlotte - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:29:00 Nice move for the white Sox and he stays in the AL. Perfect* - mrap24 December 6, 2016, 12:27:18 This is the perfect haul for them... if they don't rush Moncada. - Carl Spackler December 6, 2016, 12:23:16 If they unload I don't think Moncada is going to make much a difference in record - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:24:48 Some rumors of Swihart. Which would make it more impressive IMO* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:20:01 He's probaby odd man out there so makes sense* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:23:23 Heyman saying other 2 are very young minor leaguers* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:25:41 Wow, they actually got Moncada. That's huge.* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:15:02 I think they were asking for Moncada/Benintendi and Red Sox balked at Benintendi - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:15:44 In July they apparently asked for Betts and Benintendi.* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:42:46 Great deal IMO for the White Sox* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:13:00 Now move Q to the Nats* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:14:25 Yeah get Giolito and Robles for Q* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:15:00 Would be a great start to the reload* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:15:54 I mean trade Q/Abreu/Frazier/Robertson. Unload them all now. That farm system could be jacked* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:18:54 I'd deal Eaton too - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:20:34 Red Sox still strongly in mix for Sale per Rosenthal. Nats telling teams Gio would be available - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:40:38 Everything seems pointing to BoSox now. Heyman/Rosenthal both pushing it - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:55:59 I love JBJ but as the centerpiece of a rebuild, I'd pass - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:07:58 I think if Moncada isn't involved, you'd see both Kopech and Groome. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:31:07 They should be accumulating the most/best assets they can regardless of service time - tit December 6, 2016, 12:11:31 If he's the centerpiece, it has to come with more of their top minor league guys. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:10:19 JBJ is a super 2* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:09:20 So 4 years of control left?* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:12:08 Love me some JBJ. - tit December 6, 2016, 12:00:31 I really like Bradley, but I suspect that the Red Sox would be smart to sell high on him now. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 11:59:52 I assume a package centered around JBJ is better than anything rumored from the Nats?* - illinibk December 6, 2016, 11:58:18 It would seem weird to me that JBJ would be involved - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:01:10 JBJ is a good sell high candidate. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:04:56 Doesn't seem like a sunk cost to me if you're getting Chris Sale - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:08:32 also appears Robertson may be involved in deal as well* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 11:58:17 Please be true* - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 12:00:22 Link?* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:59:34 Chris Cotillo - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:00:07 Oh that says Nationals might push for Robertson* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:01:54 I said MAY be involved. I never said he WOULD be - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:02:34 I meant more that this subthread is about the Red Sox as that seems to be the momentum* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:03:26 gotcha.* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:05:29 wow. rumor is going around DC that Fowler is not in love with the Cardinals - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 11:08:08 This seems to be Frank Cusumano? The Cards offer was the initial offer - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:58:11 right. sorry. forgot to link it. also seen it from some Cards blog writers - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:01:55 I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. * - illini December 6, 2016, 11:57:05 I LOVE YOU DEXTER* - GMAW December 6, 2016, 11:43:52 Noticed this for the 1st time: the Winter Meetings have a logo. How long has this been going on? * - osklister December 6, 2016, 8:08:42 Years. It's a huge event. Job fair* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:22:09 I'd love to go sometime, but it sounds like it's not quite what it used to be. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 10:22:28 If it were actually in the city I might have popped in at lunchtime. - Tortillini December 6, 2016, 10:32:04 You probably won't see many GMs, but lots of reporters, agents, possible players - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 10:29:27 got my first job at the 1994 Winter Meetings job fair in Dallas * - Jersey December 6, 2016, 10:18:55 Boston/Milwaukee making trade. I'm guessing more minor though* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:08:04 Tyler Thornburg going to Boston. Thornburg is pretty solid* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:25:16 Good bullpen depth. Like it* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 10:30:10 Sounds like BoSox are trying to bring in Moreland to replace Shaw* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 10:31:06 Yep. I liked Shaw - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 10:36:20 Brewers getting Travis Shaw and Josh Pennington* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:20:24 Also Mauricio Dubon. I really like this deal for Milwaukee* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:27:07 Cards have made an inital offer to Fowler. - illiniviz December 6, 2016, 8:01:20 established themselves in the runner-up spot * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 8:05:49 I'm okay running up for Fowler if the Cards can make the deal for Cain mentioned below* - jayd December 6, 2016, 8:24:50 per MLB radio, Cards/Royals continue talking. Wong, Rosie, Peralta, Bader for Cain, Davis, Escobar * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 0:02:52 Hey, that's me! * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 19:54:59 just tweeted Casey Stern and he doesn't think there's a deal there - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 10:34:54 That would be a super weird trade for the Royals. Doesn't make much sense. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 8:48:26 Bader and Wong are in there - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:55:26 I missed that Bader was in there. That makes it better, but... - OB25 December 6, 2016, 9:11:57 I think its what a team in the Royals position needs to do - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 9:16:21 Royals certainly get more years of control * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 9:01:54 Cubs offer Soler, strop, lastella and candelario* - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 7:18:34 In a nanosecond. * - uofi1998 December 6, 2016, 7:14:22 Of course. Cards would be stealing* - mrap24 December 6, 2016, 7:48:06 That would be a very good move. * - harb99 December 6, 2016, 7:00:12 Please be true* - CWR10 December 6, 2016, 6:59:02 wow. surprised Cards wouldn't have to give up Flaherty in the deal - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 1:36:55 That would be a heck of a deal* - quincybluedevil2002 December 6, 2016, 0:48:14 Sox and Rockies talking about Abreu, per Rockies beat guy.* - AintHatin December 5, 2016, 22:07:13 Wonder if you could get Rogers in a deal for Quintana.* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 22:41:23 also heard Rockies might be interested in Encarnacion or Trumbo* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 22:11:48 He could do some big time damage in that park* - UofIL6 December 5, 2016, 22:09:25 I'm kind of geeking out over the thought that the Sox might actually do the tear down.* - Carl Spackler December 5, 2016, 22:09:06 If you're going to do it, you can't half-ass it - UofIL6 December 5, 2016, 22:10:37 Eaton is like 28. Deal him too - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 22:12:05 Cotillo says current buzz is that Royals want to package Cain and Davis together.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 21:36:44 I heard they went to Cardinals about potential deal involving Wong and prospects - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 21:42:16 Is BowTie even in DC? * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 21:50:28 I have heard that he is there. * - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 21:51:10 cool, i'll take both* - mrap24 December 5, 2016, 21:41:37 sounds like Nats and Sox could be closing in on deal for Sale - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:21:12 Apparently Giolito's grandfather played Susan's father in Seinfeld - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 22:23:04 Sale must be excited about going to a locker room where The Drake is welcome.* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 21:05:17 fvcking nats* - snipes824 December 5, 2016, 20:33:59 Eff, was hoping he would stay in the AL* - bigbop85 December 5, 2016, 20:28:59 explain this to me like someone that doesn't follow every major and minor leaguer... - OskeeWowWowDig December 5, 2016, 20:28:08 Robles is a potential five tool CF - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 20:35:45 does Giolito really have #1 potential? - tit December 5, 2016, 20:38:20 he didn't show that much for Nats this year* - Potomac December 5, 2016, 20:51:13 Madeux wasn't all that good his first time around either. - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 21:58:59 maddux never struggled with command* - tit December 5, 2016, 21:59:54 He's got elite stuff when healthy - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:42:27 I think so. He does have some injury concerns and some control - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:39:18 Here's MLB.com's top prospects list.... - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:32:09 Giolito is overrated on that list but ... - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 22:32:46 Not convinced Moncada wouldn't happen - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:36:07 yes. Nats have a really good farm system and Robles is a damn good player - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:29:58 I like the idea of Giolito and Rodon together to build with - StripedOrangeSox December 5, 2016, 20:32:08 That's exactly how I feel* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:35:08 This is better than the deals you were saying Sox fans should be happy with a week ago, IMO. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:37:08 And looking at the deal it was Albies/Newcomb/Anderson - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:45:42 I disagree. I'd rather have the Dodgers deal mentioned and Red Sox - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:43:26 But there's been many people saying that Moncada is not in the discussion. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:47:24 I've heard the opposite that the Red Sox are more willing to part with Moncada - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:49:25 Maybe they could get them to throw in Severino.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:59:12 If it's Robles/Giolito/Severino I think Albies/Newcomb/Anderson is a better deal - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 21:00:33 I loved the Dodgers deal...no idea if that was more than a pipe dream however* - StripedOrangeSox December 5, 2016, 20:44:06 BJL you might be happy. Giolito/Robles for Sale close? - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:20:17 That's a great deal for the Sox if it happens. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:21:31 It's certainly an interesting deal. Sale is much better for the Nats than Giolito/Robles - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:23:36 Lopez or Fedde to finish it off?* - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 20:36:51 I can't imagine they include either if already giving up Robles/Giolito* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:41:43 I still wonder if Nats are reluctant to give up Turner if they have to throw in another top prospect - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:36:17 Yearly Cubs interested in Rays pitchers tweet from Heyman - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:12:40 And Phil Rogers stating the obvious - Cubs have always liked Tyson Ross* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:17:41 How does that effect the Cubs on Maudie's +\- system?* - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:31:47 Jed's media session he explicitly stated if any pitcher is available the Cubs will be involved* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:18:22 Isn't odorizzi a local guy? - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:14:42 downstate* - Pooter December 5, 2016, 20:15:56 If the metro east area is local sure* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:15:45 Blurgh, I wonder who I was thinking of? - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:28:57 Michael Bowden * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 20:32:53 I don't think so... - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:34:18 Friendly reminder to ishers with kids, make them play baseball - bigbop85 December 5, 2016, 19:55:18 And how about the Rich Hill story? - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:05:50 Really happy for him. Always liked the guy.* - tacoshooter December 5, 2016, 20:15:32 wow sandoval - snipes824 December 5, 2016, 19:23:23 That's impressive. Would be quite the nice surprise for the Red Sox if he bounced back.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 19:24:45 All his belts seem relieved* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 19:24:08 Royals interested in a Wong (he says Wang)/prospects for Cain/Davis - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 17:48:39 Wow Melancon has an opt out after year 2. Guaranteed $34 million - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 16:58:10 apparently Cubs are "among serious contenders" for Davis - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 16:35:32 Makes a lot of sense.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 16:39:34 Below you mentioned Jeimer - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 16:42:43 Would you trade Soler for Davis?* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 19:30:15 Rangers seem interested in Jorge Soler. Cubs need relief help - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 15:50:05 Interesting, but I don't see the fit. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 16:15:49 He can opt into arbitration after this season - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 16:21:34 Ah yea, you're right. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 16:31:50 In a Soler trade I would expect the Cubs to be focusing on a starter* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 15:51:02 wow. The Bryce Harper contract demands. WOWZERS! - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 13:59:11 Boras says he hasn't discussed any long term deals with Nats - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:43:25 Not surprising. I thought you meant he was at like $600 - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:07:34 not surprising...but to SEE that number kinda takes you aback for a minute* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 14:08:52 The $400-$500 numbers have been out there for over a year* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:11:16 Yeah I was more surprised he wasn't asking 500 mil* - illini21 December 5, 2016, 14:14:44 and if Nats decided to deal him....could you imagine the package? - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 14:13:49 knowing this contract is looming would make him less attractive in a trade, not more. imo* - snipes824 December 5, 2016, 14:16:21 I don't think his contract demands would play into his trade value - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:21:21 higher ceiling, lower floor* - GMAW December 5, 2016, 16:35:52 to quote knish - ignignokt December 5, 2016, 14:06:27 He has been reading Trump's book* - Figs December 5, 2016, 14:14:37 Trade him.* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 14:04:05 Chapman speaks - mrap24 December 5, 2016, 13:23:19 I think if the Cubs acquire a potential closer it would look like AJ Ramos - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 13:56:54 I think they roll w/ Rondon and CJ and make a deal at midseason if necessary.* - CIB December 5, 2016, 14:12:25 I think so too. I was just positing what a Cubs closer acquisition would look like* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:14:04 I would have liked to have seen Kenley* - VIV December 5, 2016, 14:03:27 would Holland become a closer right away? especially if fastball isn't fully back yet?* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 13:58:11 heyman reports Nats stepping up bid for Sale, meeting this afternoon with Sox - tit December 5, 2016, 13:16:31 If the Sox can come off Turner, a deal is there - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 13:19:14 Rosenthal says Nats more focused on Sale with Sox likely getting Robles/Giolito + - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:51:03 I like. Get it done, Rick* - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 14:54:26 Just listened to some of Hahn's press conference. - AintHatin December 5, 2016, 18:23:57 Cubs have talked to Royals regarding Wade Davis. per Jon Morosi* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 12:30:44 Jansen and Chapman could be wanting opt out clauses in any contract they sign - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 12:26:46 3 year deal for Rich Hill and Dodgers per Chris Cotillo - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 12:03:21 Dodgers officially sign Rich Hill to 3 year deal* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 12:03:14 4/~$62 for Melancon. Biggest deal ever for a closer (which will soon be passed)* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 11:59:55 From the salmon pants wearers* - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 12:01:24 Thank God their bullpen was so shitty this year.* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 12:01:56 SOURCES (per Steve Phillips): Blue Jays now OUT on Encarnacion - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:11:31 I think that was pretty clear with the Morales and Pearce signings - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 11:13:51 I hadn't heard Moreland. Pearce can play multiple positions - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:17:20 FG top 21 Sox prospects - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 11:06:23 not a huge deal but UnderArmor takes over as official MLB Outfitter - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 10:21:30 That's what it means. Starting in 2020* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 10:23:07 I've heard they are pushing for it to start sooner, we will see* - bigbop85 December 5, 2016, 19:26:17 interesting. Wonder what new "designs" we see...if any* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 10:25:10 Alternate unis for the Orioles probably on the horizon. * - uofi1998 December 5, 2016, 10:29:36 Probably go the way of Maryland.* - boCool December 5, 2016, 12:38:53 I've always though a Sunday Cardinals jersey would be neat - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 10:48:05 those would suck* - Pooter December 5, 2016, 11:08:39 no...YOU suck (not really...but to each their own)* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:09:58 Giants and Melancon nearing deal? - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:28:39 Rosenthal says this is close* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 10:43:01 per Jason Martinez (MLB Depth Chart): deal is final. no terms yet - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:52:32 possible team emerging for Encarnacion: Cleveland - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:27:10 Astros and Nats "trying hardest" to land Sale - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:16:18 bregman would be the ask from the Astros... - tit December 5, 2016, 9:21:00 don't underestimate how stupid duhnow is - ignignokt December 5, 2016, 10:25:17 Astros would be nuts to part with Bregman. - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 9:45:38 I feel like there's been way too much emphasis on MLB- ready guys anyway from the Sox standpoint - Carl Spackler December 5, 2016, 9:27:02 If the reports are true that the Sox want "MLB ready" guys, this is where they're screwing this up - GMAW December 5, 2016, 9:34:59 Yep, Cameron had an article on this last week. - Carl Spackler December 5, 2016, 12:24:06 It makes no sense whatsoever.* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 9:54:46 This is why the team is mired in mediocrity. They never have a good plan - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 9:45:46 This will be their fallback - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 9:32:06 Jerry doesn't spend in the draft though. - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:28:50 Are you for a rebuild or taking a shot with a few signings of good value? - RD December 5, 2016, 9:23:32 If you're taking a shot in a known short window, why worry about value? - DT December 5, 2016, 9:56:09 If they can't get even decent value, no point in trading - tit December 5, 2016, 9:28:21 What are you considering decent value? - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:38:26 Moncada is the guy the Sox should be going after - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:22:01 The Sox can ask for those guys all they want, they aren't getting any of them. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 9:20:32 Cardinals "keeping tabs" on CF Lorenzo Cain - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:11:54 Oh there he is* - illiniviz December 5, 2016, 10:24:00 where is he now? * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 11:23:00 My colleagues in KC are sweating the 2017 offseason hard. - uofi1998 December 5, 2016, 9:38:40 Cain, Hosmer, Moustakas, Duffy, Wade Davis, Dyson, and Escobar will all be FA. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 10:07:19 I don't get why they need to make any moves now - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 10:12:44 I think they do something smaller, like trade Davis. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 10:31:47 Is he a FA or trade candidate?* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 9:20:15 trade. with the new CBA that'll come into effect next year - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:22:25 LOL. You could "live with" the 2nd best center fielder in baseball the last two years?* - GMAW December 5, 2016, 9:15:12 I was being facetious. Of course I'd love that move. * - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:16:45 Pearce to Toronto 2/$12.5. Not shaping up well for Encarnacion* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 8:46:30 Bunch of rumors - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 8:27:13 If the White Sox are going to trade Sale, shouldn't they try to trade Robertson to one of these? - illini222 December 5, 2016, 9:29:41 Perhaps to whoever misses out on the big 3* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:31:35 Dodgers are interesting, depending on how how much you believe that they need to cut costs. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 9:01:20 They appear to be focused on bringing back Turner* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:02:02 Phillies close to signing Joaquin Benoit - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 22:06:59 Is he related to Chris Benoit?* - SportzAndMalortz December 4, 2016, 22:57:30 who? sorry name does not ring a bell. Just causes DEAD air* - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 23:53:52 Nightengale claiming the Nats are trying to get both McCutchen and Sale. - Carl Spackler December 4, 2016, 21:02:14 Would mean at least one of Chicago/Pittsburgh isn't getting what they want* - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 21:05:35 but if they do so...leaves them virtually nada in the farm system - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 21:04:09 Nippon to post Otani next year? - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 20:57:07 Must be planning on a loophole* - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 20:57:45 Rosenthal said Cards could be a big sleeper team at the meetings - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 19:30:52 They have the extra cash flow from their Cubs ticket packages.* - CIB December 5, 2016, 9:31:19 using that $$ for BPV development * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 11:08:10 exactly. shocked if the Cradz do anything. maybe a Capitol tour * - Pooter December 4, 2016, 19:36:59 White Sox do not perceive Red Sox or Dodgers as serious contenders for Sale - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:34:01 It sounds like nobody is putting a serious package together.* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 8:50:45 In don't think the Sox really want to trade him* - mrap24 December 4, 2016, 18:39:15 Or don't know how to* - bjl63 December 4, 2016, 18:47:50 Yeah that makes more sense* - mrap24 December 4, 2016, 19:06:20 Jon Daniels says Rangers not looking at trades like the Cole Hamels deal. - Carl Spackler December 4, 2016, 18:38:51 Seems like everyone is saying the Sox demands are too high - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 18:42:57 No doubt they'll waste another offseason* - bjl63 December 4, 2016, 18:45:53 and Sox have said they want Trea Turner but Nats won't deal him* - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:45:00 Nate have a strong system. If the Sox won't budge - bjl63 December 4, 2016, 18:47:07 Yankees close to a deal with Matt Holliday per Sweeny Murti of WFAN - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 17:48:17 Holliday for 1/$13 seems like a pretty good deal for the Yanks - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 18:37:48 NYC loves 2-hoppers to short? * - Pooter December 4, 2016, 18:43:06 Encarnacion maybe should have taken that 4/$80M offer from the Jays.* - OB25 December 4, 2016, 18:40:50 As far as I'm concerned, deal is still on the table - quincybluedevil2002 December 4, 2016, 19:45:38 everything I've been reading is he may not get a deal better than that one - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:44:28 now appears two NL teams have gotten in talks with Encarnacion - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:49:45 i don't think the mets will be in on encarnacion* - snipes824 December 4, 2016, 19:48:23   Searching