and FOs not trusting defensive metrics as much* Archived Message Posted by tit on December 7, 2016, 15:49:42, in reply to "You have to factor in decline*" Previous Message Previous Message he had 3.7 in 2015 in CF and 6 in 2016 in RF using Fangraphs. He just turned 28 yesterday. He has 5 more years of control. His offensive lines were almost identical in 2015 and 16. If you project him at 4 WAR over the life of the deal that's 20 wins, worth say $160 million. He's due to make $38 million over that time. So he's worth a couple big time prospects, I think Robles and Lopez at a minimum. Previous Message Previous Message Robles and Lopez perhaps? I'm thinking there's no way Giolito goes anywhere for a position player. They'd have to get a starter back. Previous Message Source: White Sox working on a deal to send Adam Eaton to the Nationals. — Scott Merkin (@scottmerkin) December 7, 2016 . Message Thread: | This response ↓ Consolidated Winter Meetings/baseball rumors and transactions thread - OB25 December 4, 2016, 17:21:20 Danny Espinoza traded to Angels per Twitter - DanSaint December 10, 2016, 20:46:27 The White Sox asked the Astros for Martes, Tucker, and Musgrove in Quintana deal... - OB25 December 10, 2016, 11:08:54 that's clayton kershaw value. no thanks. - ignignokt December 10, 2016, 20:52:20 Highlight video for next season should feature Duhnow walking away from Hahn without making a deal - CasinoCavalier December 10, 2016, 21:32:40 That doesn't sound like too much* - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:13:38 I'm guessing Musgrove was the sticking point based on Luhnow's comments - Marshall McDougal December 10, 2016, 11:13:11 duhnow would swerve out of his way to hit musgreat in the street - ignignokt December 10, 2016, 20:49:10 Musgrove sounds like he has some Hendricks to his game. - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:33:33 Better than BoSox? What if Papi comes back?* - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:14:31 Ortiz isn't coming back. - Marshall McDougal December 10, 2016, 11:17:57 David Price isn't what he used to be. - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:28:06 I still think Price is an elite pitcher. I expect him to have a pretty good season - Marshall McDougal December 10, 2016, 11:52:16 I hope they get the deal done* - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 20:15:02 Jim Bowden really hated the Eaton deal - bjl63 December 9, 2016, 18:44:09 Tough talk for someone who never made the playoffs. - DouchieHowser December 10, 2016, 11:26:18 Brewers pitching prospect Phil Bickford fails ANOTHER "drug of abuse" test - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 16:21:07 Hey Marshall. - Deano December 9, 2016, 13:49:25 I'd assume they just paid Milwaukee the 100k that Milwaukee paid to select him from New York - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 13:52:52 Weird take. I hate the Cards but part of me is glad the rivalry will be strong. - IWOY December 9, 2016, 10:36:54 It is more fun to have a competitive rivalry * - Blues December 9, 2016, 14:39:22 I dunno. Kicking their ass was pretty fun, I gotta admit.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 9, 2016, 15:06:25 It gets old though after a few years * - Blues December 9, 2016, 16:51:45 nope. not here, at least.* - ghost_of_clt December 10, 2016, 11:27:11 We feel you Dexter. - CIB December 9, 2016, 11:19:53 Cradz gotta get there first * - Pooter December 9, 2016, 11:06:59 Helps to have Brewers, Reds and now Pirates to beat up on.* - CIB December 9, 2016, 11:24:00 Pirates roster is still pretty good, but they've just got a few big holes... - OB25 December 9, 2016, 14:43:29 As a fan of both, I would welcome that* - MtHoodIllini December 9, 2016, 15:34:05 The Matheny penalty. 4 L's before camp breaks * - Pooter December 9, 2016, 13:52:20 Is there any market for Justin Turner at all? - OB25 December 9, 2016, 10:23:15 Marlins? * - IWOY December 9, 2016, 10:43:10 They just signed Martin Prado* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:46:20 Also do we trust Dombrowski to really be satisfied with Sandoval?* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:37:14 I think I saw that Turner has been out of the country which may explain ... - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 10:30:18 Giants, Mets, Tigers, Angels - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:27:22 alderson said on wednesday that the mets have to shed payroll before opening day - snipes824 December 9, 2016, 10:54:26 Lol, trigger warning please! - voiceofreason December 9, 2016, 11:11:51 Neftali Perez (or is it Feliz) would be a good signing for you then* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 13:44:03 my dad and i have been saying all offseason that signing chapman or jansen made perfect sense - snipes824 December 9, 2016, 11:18:31 Wasn't really interested in Chapman, but Jansen and that cutter would - voiceofreason December 9, 2016, 11:23:33 Ha Rosenthal just said the 2nd biggest lie in baseball teams say is "We have no money"* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:59:36 Of course they all have money. Whether they can spend it on their baseball team is another story.* - OB25 December 9, 2016, 11:08:42 He basically said disregard any baseball team that says "we don't have money to spend on our team"* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 11:09:51 OK. But everyone would have a $180 million dollar payroll if it was that simple.* - OB25 December 9, 2016, 11:19:32 Rosenthal's basic point was that if teams find the value they have the money - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 11:24:17 These teams have such huge valuations and cash flows all of them have more money available. - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 13:45:23 What's the biggest?* - bjl63 December 9, 2016, 11:03:15 "We're not shopping just listening"* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 11:08:33 Giants have apparently been pretty public in saying they've got nothing left to spend. - OB25 December 9, 2016, 10:29:17 Mo just said he doesn't envision another "bold" move - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:27:18 what was his first bold move?* - mrap24 December 9, 2016, 10:31:37 I guess by bold I would say big name* - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:43:48 I think the Fowler move is pretty bold. Identified their guy and pretty much overwhelemed him with - warrenillini December 9, 2016, 10:48:45 Nats need a 3b but they aren't going to be able to afford Turner unless they lose out on Jansen* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 10:27:07 Nevermind. Have Rendon and Murphy at 3b/2b ... - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 10:31:58 I think they're planning to trot Zimmerman out at 1B again - Tortillini December 9, 2016, 12:04:32 He might be worth cutting. He can't play defense and can't hit. -1.3 WAR last year* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 13:46:53 5/$82.5 full no trade. That's not bad* - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:12:04 good for dex. wish he would have went somehwere other than SL BUT - mrap24 December 9, 2016, 10:17:56 again...I just hope he'd be willing to slide to corner later in that deal - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:13:29 Not something I'd really be worried about - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 10:21:05 apparantly Cardinals could now pursue Encarnacion or Trumbo - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 8:41:07 Fowler will wear #25 it appears. First to wear it as a player since McGwire.* - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 10:11:40 That would concern me. And it makes sense since they already gave up their first round pick* - DouchieHowser December 9, 2016, 8:58:31 They should if they have the money to spend. - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 8:48:53 I'm actually VERY intrigued by Encarnacion in STL. - DanSaint December 9, 2016, 8:54:05 I think they'd both be about the same as 1B - Marshall McDougal December 9, 2016, 9:00:44 Poor Chris Carter really is playing in the wrong era. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 23:28:56 yeah, WAR killed that guy.* - tit December 9, 2016, 7:34:39 What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.* - osklister December 9, 2016, 7:50:04 Say it again!* - gig December 9, 2016, 8:11:42 Original title of "War and Peace". - osklister December 9, 2016, 8:45:49 rob deer and pete incaviglia never got paid * - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 23:36:46 *pours one out for Steve Balboni** - DT December 9, 2016, 8:10:02 They also never put up those numbers.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 23:47:11 not that far off. 42 homers is great. nothing else he did was very good* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 23:48:48 bobby valentine back to japan - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 23:20:58 God no* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 23:23:49 i scoured that page for any signs of satire - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 23:31:17 Holy shit, this wasn't a baseball thing? - OB25 December 8, 2016, 23:35:07 Eh Dan Rooney is the ambassador to Ireland* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 23:39:27 I know a lot of the European ambassadorships are gift postings for big donors - DT December 9, 2016, 8:08:24 The headline sounded totally believable to me. Which is absolutely insane to me* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 23:33:12 10AM Press Conference tomorrow* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:36:54 So, Carp hits second? - illini December 8, 2016, 22:21:38 I don't think Matheny manages this way - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:48:25 I'd like to a see a level of flexibility like this - illini December 8, 2016, 23:00:36 I am interested to see how he can do in another role when he gets extended run there - jayd December 8, 2016, 23:02:56 No way Piscotty hits that far down vs. RHP, same for Carpenter vs. LHP - jayd December 8, 2016, 22:54:21 Wasn't suggest that is what will happen - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:57:28 it's pretty much been said that Carpenter is going to be given 1B - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:49:36 Probably. I'm just giving my opinion - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:52:49 reason I alternated Peralta and Gyorko was in case Peralta isn't on team - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:57:59 my guess: - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:35:47 Man, the Cubs fans are gonna BFIB the shit out of this Fowler thing. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:10:31 complete with absolute lies about how the fans reacted going viral? - tit December 9, 2016, 7:36:04 Eh we got Jon Jay to lead the dynasty.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 22:17:14 How long will the standing O be?* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:14:42 It's gonna be long. And he deserves it. Will always have a special place. #bfib* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:16:26 The mofo hit a leadoff HR in game 7 of the world series. he can whatever he wants. his legend - IWOY December 8, 2016, 22:20:32 No one will boo him would they. That would he insane* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 22:51:14 only a complete pile of shit - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 22:52:22 GMAW will when his daddy calls him a #trader* - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 23:49:49 Yep. Dex was a monster in a year when the Cubs won the World Series. He left his mark.* - Choooch December 8, 2016, 22:49:05 that was a top 3 sports moment in my life* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 22:38:58 All of my comments there were 100% serious. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:22:50 Truth. It better be longer than Ross lol* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 22:19:18 but...he's a TRADER!!!!! Like Heyward was a TRADER* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 22:12:57 You mean they trade stocks and shit?* - gig December 9, 2016, 8:11:11 So Bowtie pulled it off. Gotta give him credit since I've been shredding him. - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 21:08:17 Awesome. Will be interesting to see the actual numbers on the deal. * - harb99 December 8, 2016, 21:15:53 Fowler is really easy to root for. Plus, for some reason he got screwed last season so he deserves - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:13:17 Funny how things worked out. Piscotty is certainly a fine replacement in RF. - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 21:30:38 You guys just need to make the playoffs. Any playoff team can win a couple playoff series* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:45:12 smh * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 22:00:04 In defense of the supposedly outrageous Fowler contract - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:19:19 5 year zips puts him at $83 million - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:35:01 He's a really good player* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:38:10 He's good but I think that valuation is high and it doesn't include the draft pick - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:42:32 It's an overpay but it's not a huge one. Also, they got a class act to boot* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:09:57 Former Cards take less money to play for the Cubs. Former Cubs go to StL only for "over-the-top" $* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 20:25:07 So glad that era is over. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:34:54 wait, trumbo is about to get 60-80 but bruce for 13 is untenable?* - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 20:25:05 MLB radio guy said after free agents signed mets may have some takers ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:33:44 i think he's right. and agree on trumbo - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 20:39:53 If there's one thing the game loves its right handed power - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:40:56 Also I think it highlights how valuable Adam Eaton is* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:23:06 Underrated ish thing: - AintHatin December 8, 2016, 19:18:54 So weird to see 2 people here have an actual logic-based argument without name-calling. * - BLGM5 December 8, 2016, 19:48:31 Lulz* - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 19:49:17 just different philosophies. Really wouldn't call it an argument* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:20:08 you hold your own against Mr. Industry * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:22:17 Fowler taking physical in St. Louis tomorrow - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:15:16 I was really hoping for Dexter to Toronto. * - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 21:53:36 First cardinal to get a standing o at Wrigley?* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 19:41:34 Musial? * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:43:06 Sutter? Big Lee?* - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 20:19:06 Goold saying deal was "Over the Top" to ensure signing him* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:22:15 5 for 80/90 is the rumor* - illiniviz December 8, 2016, 20:11:58 Heyman says deal done. "Expected to be big"* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:52:07 TWSS* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 20:25:39 8/187, 2 opt outs. (not really)* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 19:55:53 I heard it's gonna cost so much the cards won't trade Rosie, bader, Wong and peralta for trout.... - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 19:59:07 I'll tip my cap, somehow you managed to make it funny again with this one.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 22:20:07 Tipping your cap is classless per hector* - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 23:53:50 yes!* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 20:39:12 I think they really needed him. I think they had to make sure they landed him - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:32:21 Was Wong that bad in center next to Piscotty and that other guy?* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 20:20:22 Wong only played 7 games in CF last year. Grichuk was their regular CF - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:25:39 Yeah, they need Wong or Gyorko as depth. Fowler gives them that.* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 21:11:05 STL paper said Toronto offered him 4/$60m earlier this week... - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 19:55:57 Yeah I expect north of that. Just pointing out what I think fair market is - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:57:16 Heyman saying unconfirmed 5 years at least $16m per.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 19:58:09 Steamer has him at 2.2. Zips has him at 3.0 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 20:03:42 Heyman just revised it to "rumor is 80/90". still a lotta coin * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 20:01:17 It's still no 7/$162m like a certain person has left.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 20:01:50 pep talks cost big $$ * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 20:02:22 That is a lot* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:58:59 If that is what the deal ends up being, wish the cubs would have brought him back for that* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 19:47:03 Right now based solely on steamer fangraphs has the NL standings projected - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:42:02 that's actually okay. I'm feeling it's gonna be around $75 - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:35:49 gut says 4/65-70 - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:34:55 Will be tough playing against him 19 times a year* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 18:57:33 I'd rather face Ben Revere.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 19:11:47 Doesn't matter Fowler is there to back... - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 19:44:49 Lol* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:03:56 I'm hearing 7/$150 - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 18:29:23 that's what you'd call a PANIC move! Futurama brain slugs have taken over Mo's/DeWitt's brains* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:31:53 It's 150 dollars, not 150 million. He's giving them the Cardinal discount* - jayd December 8, 2016, 19:11:41 maybe if you guys still had The Walt* - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 19:31:03 the difference is what Matheny deducts for tithing * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:21:37 Seems odd to take physical if you aren't signing with them* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:17:08 Maybe he's got some HSA to get rid off* - illiniviz December 8, 2016, 18:42:08 my concern is wrong side of 30 and coming off career year - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:25:27 Cards haven't had a true leadoff man and at least quasi-SB threat in a while. - SurfTheBoneyard December 8, 2016, 19:33:28 Kind of a stretch to say it was a career year. Pretty consistently a high obp with some pop.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 18:35:43 100% career year and it's not close.* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 18:48:19 It was a career year. You shouldn't expect last season from him again - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:47:22 Ah I read his page wrong, thought 2015 was this past season. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 19:06:45 Yep. Weak, desperation move. * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:32:17 I never said that. I personally wouldn't have done the move - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:36:43 Cards can afford it. If Fowler falls off - jayd December 8, 2016, 19:07:08 No, I said that* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:37:24 Cheap with a rental = who? - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:32:00 I was thinking maybe a Ben Revere. Coming off down year - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:34:49 There's a large difference between Ben Revere (who's replacement level) and Dexter Fowler - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:46:42 how is it "taking a year off"? You can still be a competitive team with a Revere in CF - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 18:51:19 This is a big step towards making a wild card spot. Ben Revere sucks. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 18:59:07 I think he's better than "sucks". I think he's an average CF - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:02:06 I'd be surprised if he doesn't end up on a minor league deal - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:06:08 Ok. In order to get value back you usually have to pay for it - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:57:25 he could always michael bourn - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 19:02:30 Career OPS+ prior to FA Bourn 90, Fowler 107 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:04:40 good point* - snipes824 December 8, 2016, 19:05:47 I get what you're saying and to an extent I agree...but I just don't like the multi year - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:00:04 the draft pick doesn't really bother me. I don't like it but I'm okay with it* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 19:03:52 Plus, giving a pick to the douchebags * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 19:03:13 A four year deal for a player of Dexter Fowler's caliber is totally reasonable - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 19:02:40 Still on this 5th best bs? * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:33:46 Dexter found Jesus?* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 18:16:16 Former Card prospect Tyrell Jenkins and Brady Feigl heading to Texas in trade* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:13:15 Luke Jackson going the other way. Interesting trade - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 18:17:51 Cubs on verge of signing Uehera? - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:33:45 Lefties have hit .183 off him (per Bruce Miles), so nice reverse split guy* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 17:21:06 Uehara closed out the 2013 WS, Davis 2015, and Montgomery 2016 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 17:04:41 Didn't he play for the Indians? - Blues December 8, 2016, 16:41:25 So is the pen pretty much set? - OB25 December 8, 2016, 16:16:58 I think if there's one thing we've learned is that they are always looking to stock arms - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 16:23:06 Also add the Cubs stated they plan to carry 8 relievers* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 16:33:15 nm - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 16:33:15 I like Ziegler and Holland in particular. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 16:29:14 The Rule 5 guy they picked up has to be on the MLB roster all year or they give him back* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 16:20:49 Didn't notice that, I only saw the infielder that they picked.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 16:24:53 1 year/4.5mil per Bob Nightengale * - aimlessillini December 8, 2016, 15:53:56 Eek, 41 years old. Still pretty good K and BB numbers last year though.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 15:53:34 Deceptive motion, good mechanics and location. - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 15:55:07 He's all about the splitfinger. Only 1 year. Should be a solid addition to the pen - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 15:56:31 It's a low risk, high reward deal. - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 20:16:26 he end up being 8th inning guy?* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:57:43 I hope not #CEJ* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 16:13:01 Nightengale says 1yr, $4.5M. done* - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 15:53:18 I have no idea what that says but would be nice addition* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 15:47:25 I'd like to see the Sox keep him. - Chicago1995 December 8, 2016, 15:50:23 saw tweets saying close to 1 yr/$6 m deal* - Gene Parmesan December 8, 2016, 15:49:43 that would be a pretty good deal. now we need a LHP or 3* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 15:50:37 They have Z and Duensing. Saw something that said they are still in contact with Wood too* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 15:54:33 I think Duensing will end up being the lefty specialist for them* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:52:12 forgot about him. would still like 1 more LHP in the pen* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 15:55:48 saw the link tweeted out by Evan Drellich* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:48:40 it's in Japanese* - Gene Parmesan December 8, 2016, 15:49:18 ahhhh. I see* - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 15:52:41 If Cards miss out on Fowler (I think he ends up in Toronto) I'd look at Revere - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 14:18:14 Saw on twitter that the Cubs are again talking to Boras about an Arrieta extension. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 13:58:06 My guess is that he has a huge year, so if it doesn't get done this offseason - GMAW December 8, 2016, 14:05:14 The Cubs have a few outstanding arb guys - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 14:00:41 Roughy really owes me for starting this thread. Could have been so many separate baseball threads.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 13:52:53 it has been one of the best threads in awhile.* - Roomba December 8, 2016, 16:27:34 I was planning on starting a daily one* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 13:53:36 Not a huge Cardinal fan, but it appears Mo is sucking hind tit in everything again this year * - Blues December 8, 2016, 13:14:00 cub thought: is there a legal/legitimate way to download the WS games? - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:17:03 iTunes. $20 for the set. I think they are full game.* - voiceofreason December 8, 2016, 11:34:19 This is a freaking no brainer* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:48:03 I wonder if I should just buy the 4 wins, as I'm never going to watch the losses again* - ab75 December 8, 2016, 15:47:28 Get them all. It's a set. * - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 15:50:25 yeah, in reality, I'd be shocked if I ever watch anything but game 7, but would be nice to have* - ab75 December 8, 2016, 16:11:21 I was thinking about that too. Am I going to re-live games 1, 3 and 4? - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 16:28:13 it's like buying the top full baseball set and saying, i'll take all the teams but the cardinals - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 17:03:32 can i pay $40 to get one without Joe Buck's voice in it?* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:35:55 I actually wouldn't be surprised if the DVD version I sent does not have Joe Buck. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 13:16:51 Lol, didn't see that option.* - voiceofreason December 8, 2016, 11:38:19 BOOM! thank you* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:35:23 Not sure, but you can buy this which has all the full-game broadcasts. - OB25 December 8, 2016, 11:18:50 that gets me part of the way there. really want digital files - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:22:10 Happy Starlin Castro trade anniversary! - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:19:29 DAT DERE LAZI LATINS RUINING DA GAME DEY ALL MOST LOST DA WORLD SERIOUS... - SportzAndMalortz December 8, 2016, 12:47:09 Gleybar... I can't stop saying that. Gleybar, Gleybar, Gleybar* - Figs December 8, 2016, 10:41:15 So glad that trade worked out. I would have been sooo salty had Chapman blown the WS. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:50:49 We still have Baby Jorge - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:54:25 Yeah big fan of Eloy game. Just funny how all-or-nothing the Gleyber trade was. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:03:54 I think backs were to the wall, I think they already knew Rondon had a problem ... - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 11:07:21 Couldn't we have gotten Melancon for a lot less? - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:11:36 Pirates wanted an in-division bonus on Melancon. Cubs cost would have been higher than Nats'* - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 11:14:52 Maybe we were better off keeping Happ and Jimenez ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:20:35 There was such a huge dropoff after the Cubs top 3 (Happ, Jimenez, Torres)... - OB25 December 8, 2016, 11:14:27 I think Candelario and Cease are easily better than Hearn/Rivero - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:17:14 All this talk is making me nervous about the bullpen. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:23:51 We just traded for Wade Davis. Why would we sign Jansen?* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 11:25:11 Because (1) Davis was on the DL twice last year and ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:27:44 Also Jansen is gonna want to close and Jed was pretty emphatic saying Davis is the closer - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:33:11 We can work that all out. Neither guy is in arbitration ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:25:28 I don't believe the Torres/Chapman trade is indicative of a market - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:31:15 I mean one year of Wade Davis, with injury questions draped all over him, cost us Jorge Soler - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:05:55 What's the going rate for middle relievers? - DT December 8, 2016, 12:15:30 The main increase in reliever price is really only for elite closers - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:19:41 Elite relievers have that value. Miller, Betances, Davis in his prime. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:24:22 Thornburg was pretty good last year - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:27:22 90 k in 67 innings, and worth 2.5 WAR which seems outstanding for middle relief - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:32:52 They got a 2.2 WAR third baseman (BRef which may be high) plus 2 arms. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:38:16 Relief pitchers have high high volatility.* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:34:24 Duly noted. Explains why Brewers didn't get more.* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:39:06 Red Sox paid a large prospect price for Thornberg* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:17:42 lol. - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:14:51 Given the price tag on Chapman at the deadline and free agency - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:02:01 I admit the price is much higher than I previously believed - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:08:55 Deadline trades are always bad - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:17:33 Torres was a top 30 prospect at the time - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:25:12 Torres was Torres at the time we traded him. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:22:45 who cares who he was, we won the WS. he can be arod for all i care* - mrap24 December 8, 2016, 12:30:40 Going forward is what matters. Just don't want to be in that position again - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:46:01 If you could get Jansen for $16 million, sure - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:25:16 But the total is 86 million. And elite prospects like Happ and Jiminez (both potentially) - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:27:50 Happ and Jimenez are going be worth probably $40-$60 million - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:30:37 My prediction is Jansen holds up better due to repertoire. Almost all cutters. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:42:29 Maddon's postseason distrust of Rondon/Strop was health-based. - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 11:29:30 Are they healthy though?* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:14:04 The Cubs just traded for Davis* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:24:47 I think the return they gave up really informs the Davis trade. - GMAW December 8, 2016, 11:10:55 If healthy this bullpen looks like a monster. Hopefully Davis and Rondon's arms hold up.* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:19:38 If Rondon and Strop are back we're set. It's just that injured pitchers ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:44:32 This is a factor. I don't think we knew the extent of Rondon's injury - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:09:52 He's certainly taken off. Read a scouting report that expects Torres to be top 10 in baseball - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:06:53 World Series Game 5 will always make it easier to stomach if Torres becomes a star.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 11:05:24 Even Game 6 & 7. Game 6, it's 7-2 but bases loaded for Lindor IIRC. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:15:13 Oof don't remind me of that 9th. So scary - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:18:26 Yeah, that Kipnis foul ball looked like trouble off the bat. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:23:51 Santana also missed a fat hanger. Such a great season came down to who could win the next inning* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:25:12 I felt so defeated with him going back out there. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:21:42 I have to give Chapman credit for somehow getting through the 9th with nothing left, gutsy* - delgriffith December 8, 2016, 11:55:49 Yeah, he saved us big time* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 12:47:31 Cubs fans are already totally insufferable on twitter - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:52:57 Yeah, need to let that one go. I genuinely do not think the Cubs win the WS without Chapman. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:58:19 Gleyber* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:45:07 It was really nice not having him on the Cubs last year. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:40:20 I'm going to eat the celebratory cake that I froze one year ago so I can rejoice yet again - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:20:50 Starlin Castro is a very good player and shouldn't have been traded!!! - Fanin1 December 8, 2016, 10:34:15 Ugh!* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:50:45 I think the term you're looking for is "meh".* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:51:18 No, Ugh! is exactly the correct reference here* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 10:53:27 I don't remember ugh, just that Zobrist was a "meh signing".* - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 10:59:40 Ace posted Ugh! everytime Zobrist was in the top 5 of the lineup - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 11:01:58 Lol oh that's right, I was thinking "Ugh" in reference to Castro. - warrenillini December 8, 2016, 11:04:56 Fitting that ***d thought signing the World Series MVP was "meh" and that he "ugh"ed him.... - Illiniphil December 8, 2016, 11:55:18 dumb revisionist history* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:57:56 You said both of those things. By definition, that means they can't be revisionist. - Illiniphil December 8, 2016, 12:04:30 nothing you said about the world series at bats was correct - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:10:31 You're reading something into it that wasn't there. - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:19:39 first and foremost - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:22:49 lol at even Maddon agreed with me. Zobrist batted 3rd with a healthy Schwarber* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 12:50:58 which was a mistake - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 13:05:50 Batting Rizzo twice in the order was a stroke of genius.* - Illiniphil December 8, 2016, 13:17:33 And you're evidence for that is??? - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 13:09:56 or maybe look at where he batted the most all season long - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 14:01:27 Yes, you didn't want him in that spot for the at least the first two months of the season* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:27:15 wasn't the first two months. far shorter span of time - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:30:14 I agree that your history is dumb. None of that is revisionist though* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 12:03:52 he completely misrepresented my thoughts and feelings* - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 12:11:35 not accurate - AceFrehley December 8, 2016, 11:04:31 According to Otani's manager new rules won't affect his decision - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:09:00 Strange. Can he sign a deal to be exempt from arb like Cespedes in the past? - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 10:30:47 Someone asked Badler this question and he said MLB would consider it circumvention - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:39:31 I don't think so. Cespedes signed a major league deal he was 26 - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 10:35:35 Good lord, this is depressing if you're a Cardinal fan - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 8:55:03 I'm not so worried about the timeline - illini December 8, 2016, 10:48:54 Great... a 30-year old guy coming off a career year who plays in Colorado - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 11:27:31 You guys should keep your draft pick, regroup and try to bounce back in 2018. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:42:10 I'm sure they'll end up getting a CF, probably Fowler. Lots of activity that is still to happen.* - OB25 December 8, 2016, 9:32:26 Is this year two or three where the Cardinals have done virtually nothing in the Winter meetings?* - Figs December 8, 2016, 9:22:07 Technically, I guess so. But Leake was signed shortly after meetings last year* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:31:02 And the Heyward trade was a month before* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 9:31:46 And they signed Oh last year, which was a huge pick up* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:32:46 Bowtie sucks* - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 8:57:19 Agree, but obviously Matheny and DeWitt are part of the problem as well* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:09:18 I've never heard of DeWitt being a problem. And while I am no Matheny fan, I'm under the impression - jayd December 8, 2016, 9:22:17 I think it would have to do with Heyward/Fowler relationship* - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 9:27:57 That's my guess as well. Heyward has clearly communicated something - jayd December 8, 2016, 9:29:15 If true, maybe the fact that Cardinals fans have harassed Fowler's good friend Jason Heyward - GMAW December 8, 2016, 9:26:49 I think the Fowler thing could be as simple as he loved playing for the Cubs/Maddon - illini December 8, 2016, 9:25:13 I'd imagine that's a big part of it. Fowler clearly wanted to go back to Chicago last year* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:36:40 DeWitt is not part of the problem - bigbop85 December 8, 2016, 9:20:57 If he was the main driver behind hiring and then extending Matheny, he's part of the problem* - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:24:34 Matheny doesn't have to a problem if Bowtie doesn't want him to be. - Pooter December 8, 2016, 9:15:54 I'm beginning to suspect that Matheny was DeWitt's guy - Sydney Carton December 8, 2016, 9:22:29 Welcome. Plenty of room on the bus* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 9:01:57 Braves just took Armando Rivero from the Cubs in the rule 5.* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 8:06:50 What makes a player eligible for Rule 5?* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:43:50 Cardinals lose SS Cordoba to Padres. Cubs acquire LHP Caleb Smith from Brewers - DanSaint December 8, 2016, 9:26:31 The Cubs also took Kevin Cornelius which seems odd - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 9:30:14 freakin' padres - jayd December 8, 2016, 9:28:12 Sox take RHP Dylan Covey from A's* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 8:08:14 LOL, classic Bruce Levine. Reporting Sox took Dillon Webb... who doesn't exist* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 8:09:46 No, no: they took Marshall Dillon and Jack Webb.* - osklister December 8, 2016, 8:11:56 What would a Bob Dylan-Jimmy Webb collaboration sound like? Blowin' in MacArthur's Park? * - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 8:21:38 Nats pursuing Kenley Jansen, per Rosenthal* - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 7:54:26 I think Jansen gets 5/85* - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:43:17 Rule 5 Draft starts here in 15 minutes - jayd December 8, 2016, 7:45:26 WaPo's Nats columnist trying to convince himself the Eaton deal was a good one - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 7:19:37 I like reading Boswell. 30 years ago, he was the best baseball writer in the U.S. - RockHollywood December 8, 2016, 8:19:34 It shouldnt be that difficult to convince yourself - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 7:55:21 None of those arms are can't miss, and even if they hit they could flame out. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 10:39:33 I think a lot of Nats fans were expecting Giolito to be the second coming of Sandy Koufax - Tortillini December 8, 2016, 8:39:59 It's a problem we all have. I know I'm guilty - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 8:56:24 Are you in the industry?* - Pooter December 8, 2016, 8:04:59 *snicker* - GMAW December 8, 2016, 9:00:41 Eaton is what he is: a great outfielder. - tit December 8, 2016, 7:44:00 I traded he and Cespedes for Schwarber a year ago. - JeffFrank December 8, 2016, 9:29:23 Yeah, I don't really get the anecdotes of shocked faces at the meetings. - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 7:49:11 HTF is Kevin Millar a thing? I was watching MLB Tonight, and holy shit is he terrible* - bjl63 December 8, 2016, 9:09:56 He's very loud * - Pooter December 8, 2016, 9:16:25 which begs a second question - tit December 8, 2016, 7:46:31 Yeah just imagine if all the players you guys got hit - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 7:51:45 So many young arms - tit December 8, 2016, 8:05:56 "Then Lopez arrived last season and outshown him easily..." - DT December 8, 2016, 7:34:34 I'm not sure many that watched many Sox games would regard Eaton as a "plus" base runner. - illini222 December 8, 2016, 7:33:40 caveat: Robin* - OskeeWowWowDig December 8, 2016, 7:40:42 Chapman to Yankees. 5 years/$86M* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 22:35:43 Thank god he's back in the AL* - CWR10 December 8, 2016, 6:59:50 Supposedly full no-trade for 3 years, then has a clause that he can't be traded to a California team - OB25 December 7, 2016, 23:01:00 Interesting I expected more. 90+* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 22:44:11 i am surprised there isnt a club option for year 6 - WesMantooth December 8, 2016, 7:02:44 Good. That's a bad contract* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 22:41:14 makes me love the wade davis deal - WesMantooth December 8, 2016, 7:07:23 I think the Cubs are gaming the system. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 7:46:35 trading Gleybar and Soler for closers isn't really gaming the system - tit December 8, 2016, 7:48:22 The Chapman trade definitely bit them ... but Soler for Davis is the perfect move. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:08:34 agree on torres, not on soler - WesMantooth December 8, 2016, 10:43:08 Yeah, if Dave Stewart makes that Chapman trade, he's universally mocked. - Carl Spackler December 8, 2016, 7:51:26 How dumb were the Reds for selling so low on him. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:10:14 I should also point out Cubs were equally dumb in not trading for him and ... - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:15:38 The Chapman trade was significantly worse than this Eaton trade - Marshall McDougal December 8, 2016, 8:03:01 Yeah, Gleyber is worth a minimum $50 million as a prospect. - DouchieHowser December 8, 2016, 11:14:01 Pirates keeping McCutcheon, moving him to corner OF spot.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 21:16:20 Asking price for Quintana too high for Astros. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 20:50:42 if your gm can't get his dick sucked by duhnow you need a new gm* - ignignokt December 8, 2016, 12:19:32 If the Sox want Bregman he's right. That's too much.* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 22:42:29 Luhnow made those same comments earlier today about Sale - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 20:52:20 Lol Royals wanted schwarber for Davis at the deadline* - illini21 December 7, 2016, 20:17:30 Passan says Rockies looking for top of rotation starter via trade. Donuts!! - OB25 December 7, 2016, 19:01:03 Rockies can't get guys to sign there. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:03:04 Rodgers really only top level prospect they have - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 19:02:10 Randon thought-no one else's-but a 3 way trade with the Cardinals would make sense - illini222 December 7, 2016, 20:02:09 They could move Blackmon or Cargo for more prospects I guess. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:04:00 They can definitely build a deal around Rodgers, just would be really hard without him* - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 20:12:05 MLB starting to update their prospect pages/logos - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 18:46:19 Phil Rogers tweeting that Sox/Stros working on a deal for Q* - OskeeWowWowDig December 7, 2016, 18:13:53 Although I don't see any tweets from Rogers on this* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:16:01 It was reported he said it on MLB by some random guy that I saw* - illini222 December 7, 2016, 18:19:19 I saw it on MLB Network. Said talks are fall along with Houston* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 18:25:34 someone in my feed retweeted him...Werner maybe* - OskeeWowWowDig December 7, 2016, 19:26:02 If they get Tucker and Martes wow* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:14:45 That doesn't seem like a wow, that seems like a solid return but about what you'd expect. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 18:55:23 Wow for where their system would be. I expect a ton for Quintana* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:58:30 Ok yea, I agree with that.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 19:00:14 would cement duhnow's status as shit for brains with no equal* - ignignokt December 7, 2016, 18:16:52 *misses on Sale, goes after the scraps** - CasinoCavalier December 7, 2016, 18:42:13 these are high class scraps - tit December 7, 2016, 18:49:09 I'm sure that's the pitch to Duhnow. Still not worth Ted Williams Jr.* - CasinoCavalier December 7, 2016, 18:55:57 Yeah Q could be the best pitcher on the Stros - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 18:50:30 Sox have already moved their best piece putting them in a position of MUST SELL - CasinoCavalier December 7, 2016, 19:01:00 They don't have to trade anyone before the season - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:46:39 You only need two teams to make a market * - tit December 7, 2016, 19:07:07 And I'd imagine the Sox have more than 2 suitors on Q - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 19:12:49 There are no good free agent pitchers, Q is cheap and only 27 - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:51:40 There no way he'd only get 4 years. He not even 28* - tit December 7, 2016, 20:16:05 Good point, he'd require an even longer commitment* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 20:24:02 I wonder if Hahn is just drunk at the bar* - tit December 7, 2016, 17:59:59 Soler for Davis. * - harb99 December 7, 2016, 17:11:58 I'm not the biggest Cards fan, but JC, why not try to get something done * - Blues December 7, 2016, 17:44:33 No clue. Guess they just want to be tire kickers this year. * - harb99 December 7, 2016, 17:47:21 Just checking in again - looks like the Cards have done nothing. - uofi1998 December 7, 2016, 17:11:13 Reading between the lines on Goold's tweets - Sydney Carton December 7, 2016, 21:07:55 Bernie appears to be no fan of matheny either. Which is good. * - uofi1998 December 8, 2016, 7:52:43 payroll muscle. dry powder. blah blah blah * - Pooter December 7, 2016, 17:34:01 I'm not happy so far but i also wouldn't want to pay that for Eaton* - CWR10 December 7, 2016, 17:24:19 No doubt. Good for the Sox for getting it, but yikes.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 7, 2016, 17:42:40 Dan Hayes said Cards were interested in Eaton but assume they back off - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 17:13:28 So the only prospect worth a shit in this supposedly solid system is Reyes. - uofi1998 December 7, 2016, 20:56:21 Avi tender makes sense now. Somebody has to play. * - tit December 7, 2016, 17:06:00 Also helps with their 2018 draft pick* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 17:21:14 With a few more deals, certainly in play for the top pick in '18 * - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 18:20:45 Someone has to bring in the fans, why not Avi?* - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:06:55 Maybe we get lucky, he has a big first half, and we can deal him then* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 17:11:21 Fun to be a White Sox fan again. Keep selling!* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 16:51:39 Cubs success at rebuilding gave them cover I think* - ab75 December 7, 2016, 16:58:25 And this is such a cleaner rebuild too. The Cubs had absolutely nothing to deal with. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 17:00:11 The Sox don't even have any bad contracts (that I'm aware of).* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:44:52 Big game James!* - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:52:58 Even at ~$9mm, it's not horrible if he can eat innings* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 17:54:55 Definitely not terrible. Just let him pitch like he's Old Hoss Radbourn next year* - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:56:18 I think it more convinced Jerry and Kenny - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:00:10 They turned Hector Santiago into Giolitio, Dunning, and Lopez* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:52:11 I was really hoping Cards would of taken Dane Dunning in the draft - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 17:00:07 so is the market again shrinking for Dexter? - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 16:43:11 He's supposedly got a 4/~$60-65 offer on the table from the Jays. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:56:16 Too bad the cubs can't bring him back for 15 mil per* - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 17:12:56 Blue Jays, Cardinals still interested and probably others* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:45:35 I get the feeling that Jays will end up with Fowler* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:47:11 I hope the Cards to keep the Heyward comps going strong* - JeffFrank December 7, 2016, 16:59:37 Ha the White Sox last two hauls are scaring other teams to deal with them - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:41:41 The truth is we're running out of teams with monster farm systems to deal with - tit December 7, 2016, 16:44:00 It's too bad that the Pirates aren't making one last run for it. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:58:41 Q for Happ and Eloy. Who says no? Would leave the Cubs system a wasteland.* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 16:53:37 I think Cubs rotation for 2017 is fine. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:53:49 I don't think Cubs would do deal. Think they are going to be more suited for a Tyson Ross - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:55:07 I think it has to be the Astros for Q. Dodgers for Frazier (if Turner leaves) - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:45:02 and Barves* - tit December 7, 2016, 16:44:59 Whoa Adam Eaton possibly going to Washington - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:23:43 Cameron points out that given the Nats play Werth and Zimmerman ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 19:02:00 Nats must be watching budget so they can afford a Harper extension* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:56:27 Surprised we never heard about the Nats being interested in Fowler.* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 16:43:39 That is mind blowing to me since him and Eaton profile similarly offensively* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:52:15 I'd guess they have budget restrictions - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 16:46:02 They have to resign Bryce* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 18:05:41 Giolito + for Sox according to Heyman* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:01:28 Wow Giolito, Dunning and Lopez for Eaton per Rosenthal. Wow* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:04:26 looks like all the baseball GMs think it was a huge overpay too - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 17:08:16 Good!* - MtHoodIllini December 7, 2016, 18:19:25 Sirius MLB radio was ripping it too but they have no idea how good Eaton really is* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 17:58:02 I mean this dude says that the Nats would be better with Michael Taylor - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:12:29 I'd be skeptical of that. I'd bet the team on the north side doesn't view at as a huge overpay - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:10:50 I think a lot of people are rightly skeptical of outfield defensive metrics. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 17:27:45 Also the GM of the Nats Mike Rizzo is as old school scout-y as it gets for modern GM* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:36:55 But we have evidence that MLB front offices are not skeptical of them - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 17:29:27 What are the odds Giolito is a 2 WAR pitcher? - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 18:01:26 It looks like he definitely has a high bust potential. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 18:23:10 Happy camper with this deal. - StripedOrangeSox December 7, 2016, 17:08:00 So if the Cards made this deal, we'd be looking at Reyes and who else?* - illiniviz December 7, 2016, 16:31:58 Dan Saint told me the "who else" would be coming from the Sox to the Cardinals* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 16:35:27 oh bite me! lol. I was wrong. * - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:44:03 Just poking ya, Saint* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 16:44:32 it's cool. just playing along as well* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 16:45:16 I predict the deal to be generally frowned upon here in DC.* - Tortillini December 7, 2016, 16:31:30 I would not be thrilled with this if I'm a Nationals fan.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:29:40 Eaton's way better than Michael Taylor - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:30:58 Oh I don't dispute that Eaton is a great pickup for them. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 16:31:49 Per Jorge Castillo, they offered the same P's + Robles for Sale* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:22:19 Wow, that would've been a pretty decent haul as well* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 16:23:29 But consdiering they basically got that + Moncada and Kopech - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:26:34 Yea...big deals for those of us crying SELL SELL SELL for a couple of years - OskeeWowWowDig December 7, 2016, 16:29:35 That's a very nice haul.* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:13:39 that seems pretty crazy* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:12:14 It's probably two top 25-40 pitchers plus a non-top 100 pitcher - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:17:40 why did the Nats do it? You can get another CF option without giving all of those guys up* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:22:19 Eaton is really good on a very team friendly deal. - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:26:04 Fowler, if they have money to spend. That's a lot for Eaton* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:27:45 I'd rather pay the price the Nats paid for Eaton than the contract Fowler will get - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:31:48 Not really. Eaton is worth a ton* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:30:17 I guess I don't have value him that highly with so much value in his RF defensive stats* - reggiedunlop December 7, 2016, 16:33:09 The Nats offered over $200 million for Heyward. Eaton is the poor man's Heyward - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:35:44 That's a strong haul, good for them - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 16:11:14 Plz gimme yo thoughts on Dunning & Lopez.* - detlef December 7, 2016, 16:05:08 Basically Giolito, Lopez, Burdi, Kopech, Hansen, Fulmer, Dunning is the best collection of arms IMO - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:09:51 In Dunning and Fulmer, they'll lead the league in bespectacled pitchers* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:21:24 And Frazier and Robertson and possibly Abreu. That system can be LOADED* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:11:04 Now deal Q for bats. - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 16:14:51 Many think Lopez is better than Giolito now. Dunning was their 1st round pick in June from UF - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 16:05:44 Sell Rick Hahn Sell!* - detlef December 7, 2016, 15:48:50 Rosenthal: Deal close. No Robles* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:41:46 Then I think Giolito is in the deal. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 15:47:49 Please no Robles to the AL. Drafted him early in both NL roto farmer drafts last year* - JeffFrank December 7, 2016, 15:45:45 dont know what a deal without Robles looks like. Need bats. * - tit December 7, 2016, 15:43:59 Yeah, their next best hitting prospects are 18 and 19* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:57:56 Yeah I'd much rather have Robles than Giolito or Lopez - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:53:30 _____ - paignfull December 7, 2016, 15:47:49 Not the centerpiece, but without looking at what is being reported... - OB25 December 7, 2016, 15:43:46 Hopefully, they still get decent value. But, you would have assumed Robles would be included* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 15:43:43 Wow, I think that's good news for Sox fans. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 15:38:03 Yes, please* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:39:56 If you are using WAR to value Eaton ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 15:45:04 You have to factor in decline* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:48:16 and FOs not trusting defensive metrics as much* - tit December 7, 2016, 15:49:42 I have him more $60-80 million surplus value. Still pretty valuable* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:51:42 Especially since most of the teams interested are looking for him to play CF* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 15:50:15 he's fine in CF because the bat plays up - tit December 7, 2016, 15:52:20 Interesting. They do need a CF, so makes some sense. - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:34:40 hopefully for the Sale deal!* - tit December 7, 2016, 15:32:28 I mean there's no way that Quintana or Robertson stay - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:35:27 They could see him as a mentor of sorts to Moncada I suppose - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 15:39:38 Apparently Hahn had a press conference set for 3:30 (central) which has been delayed* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 15:24:54 Cubs gave Davis a physical this morning. Obviously passed* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:39:12 Closer for a bad backup outfielder? Great deal * - Efrem December 7, 2016, 16:36:53 Used the whole fist?* - Pooter December 7, 2016, 14:19:11 "Hey Doc, I'm only 31, just check my arm.".* - Deano December 7, 2016, 14:15:17 So what do the Cardinals do now? Cain? Eaton? Blackmon? - Sydney Carton December 7, 2016, 13:02:41 People are speculating that Blackmon makes the most sense - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:12:15 None of the four I listed are going to be cheap - Sydney Carton December 7, 2016, 13:27:38 No thanks to platooning Pham. I've seen enough to safely designate him a AAAA player* - CWR10 December 7, 2016, 13:57:19 Don't you have to be kinda young still to be considered aaaa... - SportzAndMalortz December 7, 2016, 14:12:55 No. Pham is a textbook AAAA* - Pooter December 7, 2016, 15:33:05 I'm kind of hoping they sign Fowler to a 4 year deal with an opt out after 3 - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:45:35 some talk that either Desmond or CarGo will play 1B and they keep Blackmon* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 13:19:08 Fine by me, I don't want him* - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:43:16 same. Eaton or Cain sound real good. But the price could be steep* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 13:45:53 I prefer Cain to Eaton based on price - jayd December 7, 2016, 13:49:58 Rosenthal, kozma, Wong, peralta and Bader for Mike trout... - SportzAndMalortz December 7, 2016, 13:06:17 How many times are you going to make this joke?* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 13:15:32 10 at least... - SportzAndMalortz December 7, 2016, 13:16:59 It was definitely funny the first 3 or 4 times* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 13:17:39 Wade Davis trade is official* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:49:02 just saw something about dex signing with colorado. can't find it in the thread* - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:34:13 Ian Desmond signed with Colorado. Dex hasn't signed anywhere* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:35:02 saw this on facebook: - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:36:04 Or that guy confused Dexter Fowler with Ian Desmond. Scroll down* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:37:03 story is coming out. i guess bob nightengale tweeted it out incorrectly - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:39:03 gotta be. i saw that and thought if it wasn't in this thread it didn't happen* - AceFrehley December 7, 2016, 12:38:02 Yesterday's Sale trade was so exciting...I keep refreshing twitter for the next one to drop - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 12:14:05 Heyman says the Sox are interested in Francis Martes and a fictional 2nd player from Stros for Q - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:29:22 would want more - tit December 7, 2016, 12:58:56 I really like Kyle Tucker. I think he's more a top 30 guy than top 50 - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:00:13 quite a collection of electric arms amassing - tit December 7, 2016, 13:03:32 Worst case, with Fulmer, Burdi, and Kopech the back of the 'pen will be filthy* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 13:33:45 which is great, but i think we've learned it's better to be the cubs than the mets* - snipes824 December 7, 2016, 13:20:21 Yes, I want mostly bats from any trades they make* - bjl63 December 7, 2016, 13:34:19 coulda had Soler dude* - Tortillini December 7, 2016, 13:40:42 Burdi and Kopech fastballs are both holy shit* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:04:26 Definitely something the sox need - tit December 7, 2016, 13:01:40 Based on Hahn's quotes I think the Sox are going to be loaded - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 13:03:32 Probably supposed to be Tucker?* - KVS December 7, 2016, 12:31:05 That was my guess* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:31:30 some think he meant Fisher* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 12:30:44 Boy if you sold *all* those guys off........ - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 12:23:07 I think Robertson moves fast once Davis, Chapman, Jansen are all settled* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:21:02 Cameron: Win-Win trade of Soler-Davis - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 11:14:30 I would like for this trade to become official. Feels less likely the longer this goes on.* - OB25 December 7, 2016, 12:19:29 Is this official yet? I'm seeing conflicting reports.* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 11:17:18 Not yet. All the reports I've seen say it's in the medical review stage - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 11:20:27 TIFWIW...but Jim Bowden thinks Ian Desmond is going to St. Louis to play CF* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 9:59:50 With the Rockies having the 11th pick I'm kind of surprised they signed Desmond for that much money* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 12:22:53 Rockies lineup is very good. I still think a Quintana/Rodgers deal would be interesting... - OB25 December 7, 2016, 10:39:32 Rodgers is a high school kid and so far away from the majors ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 12:23:52 Rodgers is 20 and will probably start in AA next year - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 12:32:46 Yeah, I just can't see COL giving up big-time offensive prospects for top pitching - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 12:36:46 You can't really aim much higher, he's a top 5 prospect in baseball. - OB25 December 7, 2016, 12:29:37 It just seems really risky to me but there must be a good reason he's that highly rated ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 13:13:45 5 years/$70 million for Desmond* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:27:57 Coulda had 7/$107* - Tortillini December 7, 2016, 10:42:47 La Cheeserie.* - cpsteine December 7, 2016, 15:38:53 And gave up their first round pick, too* - GMAW December 7, 2016, 10:39:38 trade bruce AND granderson, sign desmond for CF, sign ziegler to 2 year contract - snipes824 December 7, 2016, 10:19:01 appears Mets are done per a lot of things I've read* - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 10:19:36 they're going to trade an OF. it's just a matter if they can get anything back* - snipes824 December 7, 2016, 10:20:38 Now, Rosenthal says Rockies* - UofIL6 December 7, 2016, 10:17:27 Done per MLB traderumors. Desmond to Rockies* - illiniviz December 7, 2016, 10:25:49 this shit is so damn fluid. Now I wonder if Cards are in on Blackmon? - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 10:18:45 Rosenthal confirms that Davis for Soler straight up is the trade if completed* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:42:51 Crasnick: Cubs being "thorough" and doing due diligence on Davis medicals - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:26:13 The Cubs doctor is a good man. - tit December 7, 2016, 12:21:21 Mr. Davis would you slide your shorts down please?* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 12:22:07 Dr. Van Nostrand on the case* - illiniviz December 7, 2016, 10:21:41 If Soler goes, my favorite memory of him will not be the HR in his 1st AB or his great postseason... - OB25 December 7, 2016, 8:50:25 Easy choice: 2 run bomb in game 2 of NLDS.* - Choooch December 7, 2016, 9:17:04 I was at that game at Busch. I was checking a message on my phone - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 8:55:41 Seems like today could be a big closer day. Davis/Chapman/Jansen. Possibly Robertson? - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:15:53 Make up your mind: are we talking about closers, or are we talking about Robertson?* - osklister December 7, 2016, 8:38:58 So Sox fans, what's the Cubs package you would have needed to not take the Red Sox deal? - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 7:55:46 Happ/Jimenez/De La Cruz/Hudson* - illini222 December 7, 2016, 10:28:29 What was the Red Sox deal? You mean what they gave up for Sale?* - warrenillini December 7, 2016, 8:55:59 For Cub fans: where do you play Schwarber? - osklister December 7, 2016, 8:44:46 He's going to play LF vs RHP* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:45:20 Thanks for that info-from below, there's a lot of options/questions. - osklister December 7, 2016, 9:23:34 You think he'll catch any? Maybe 20-30 games to keep his bat in the lineup?* - VIV December 7, 2016, 8:52:27 Depends. He's still rehabbing his knee. He's not preparing to catch in spring training - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:55:27 Most likely - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:47:36 wow, so Baez only gets 40 starts or so?* - ab75 December 7, 2016, 8:55:46 My breakdown: - VIV December 7, 2016, 9:15:18 Don't forget DH.* - CIB December 7, 2016, 10:22:41 I forgot DH* - VIV December 7, 2016, 11:15:38 I think the wild card in all of this is Heyward - GMAW December 7, 2016, 9:33:15 True I was just thinking that. But I'm expecting him to have a .700-.750 OPS - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:35:44 I'd be pretty surprised at a few of those numbers - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:17:29 I think you have to find a way to get Baez's glove in the lineup - VIV December 7, 2016, 9:22:18 Baez needs to prove he can hit much better than his career .636 vs RHP - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:24:25 I know I don't watch every game the whole season, but it seems - ab75 December 7, 2016, 10:32:01 Also don't forget the Dodgers and Giants started almost all lefties* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:37:41 Playoff baseball isn't the same as regular season baseball - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:35:50 yeah, but generally in the playoffs it seems you're going to get less chances - ab75 December 7, 2016, 10:48:46 I expect him to get ~400 PA this season - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 10:52:49 OK, so semantics or misunderstanding - ab75 December 7, 2016, 11:23:01 I thought Baez had a really positive stretch in the playoffs with his approach at the plate. - VIV December 7, 2016, 9:35:57 The Cubs are a very platoon heavy team. I think you're also penciling in too many starts for Kyle - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:42:41 he started 68 games in 2016. i assume he will play 3rd, ss and 2b much like this season* - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 9:01:59 He's going to get some starts vs. select RHP - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 9:00:35 I'm sure they'll rest Zobrist a little ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:59:56 I'm pretty sure that experiment is over. He's the best infielder on the team - GMAW December 7, 2016, 9:28:42 So Baez is a part time player? - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:50:43 LOFL at Soler* - detlef December 7, 2016, 8:07:02 You'll always have the Sale postseason memories for the Sox - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 8:32:51 Still bitter? Sheesh.* - tit December 7, 2016, 8:39:20 Haha no, just like needling back detlef and the sox* - bigbop85 December 7, 2016, 8:40:14 meh. You should have given TIKI a Julian Tavarez bobblehead instead.* - detlef December 7, 2016, 8:41:19 If it was Happ instead of Soler you'd think about it though.* - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:09:29 Yeah, I played around with adding him instead there and even adding Cease.* - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 8:14:40 Yes.* - detlef December 7, 2016, 8:10:49 Hi detlef!* - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 8:08:58 Quintana seems like the next to go. Astros interested in him* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:31:52 Heyman mentions Nationals had Q discussions last night - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:52:49 If the Lopez inclusion is real, I think I like the Nats package better? - Carl Spackler December 7, 2016, 8:04:19 Hahn says they picked Boston because the top end was too good to pass up - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:33:57 He sounds totally ready to part with everyone too - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:36:20 I'd rather have Moncada and Kopech - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 8:06:46 I was shocked to read Fangraphs write up on Moncada - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:01:19 I wouldn't worry about KATOH* - tit December 7, 2016, 8:29:26 Benintendi looks like a safer prospect. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:03:28 Lastly ... - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:08:56 per Nightengale...it's official. Soler to KC for Wade Davis. Will be announced in AM - DanSaint December 7, 2016, 0:25:32 1 year rental or are they going to sign him long term?* - VIV December 7, 2016, 6:18:47 I would guess its a rental. - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:04:54 Even the Cubs can't keep trading prospects for rentals, though. - DT December 7, 2016, 7:16:39 Soler's value is at an all time low. - DouchieHowser December 7, 2016, 8:05:58 I'm hoping they think Carl Edwards Jr might be the closer solution... - shua December 7, 2016, 7:59:02 They don't need a long term closer. They have pretty well established core - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:19:48 Well, this is the second straight year they've sent out prospects for a rental closer. - DT December 7, 2016, 7:26:14 They've been pretty clear though they don't believe in paying long term for bullpen help - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:29:56 I think that all makes sense in the abstract - DT December 7, 2016, 7:41:48 Off the top of my head Theo has given out one 3 year deal to a closer - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:49:04 Soler isn't a prospect* - mrap24 December 7, 2016, 7:26:47 Prospect/young player - DT December 7, 2016, 7:28:38 Also Soler is a guy that is expendable. The Cubs OF is cramped - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:38:49 To answer your first question probably* - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 7:31:06 Eh if they are still reviewing medicals its not official yet - Marshall McDougal December 7, 2016, 0:31:54 Gordo says the holdup is Cubs looking at Davis medicals. Says it will be Soler for Davis tomorrow AM - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:43:41 Heyman also adds its Soler for Davis and hadn't heard other names* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:56:45 Rangers and Astros may be swapping Carloses. Gomez working towards Rangers* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:36:30 Completely forgot he finished the year with Texas and lit it up - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:53:00 This is done Gomez to the Rangers on 1 year deal* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:45:02 Are the Cards going to do anything, or is bowtie going to get clowned again? - uofi1998 December 6, 2016, 21:40:16 Hold this * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 23:02:40 You're so specific * - uofi1998 December 7, 2016, 7:18:15 All the cards crap for Mike trout... - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 21:47:47 I think they will do something. Now whether or not it's ENOUGH is another* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 21:42:00 now Rosenthal saying it's close. Davis for Soler - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 21:33:06 Nightengale (TIFWIW) says Cubs may need more back from Royals for 1 yr of Davis - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 21:55:08 That'd be fun. Gives us Dyson* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:58:02 And then there's Sherman, saying he thinks Royals would get more than what Cubs gave up for Chapman* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:14:39 Most likely it's Soler for Davis. - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:19:53 My guess is the Cubs end up having to throw in another small piece. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:29:31 Also Jay isn't organizational depth. He provides exactly what they want him to provide - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:44:34 If we traded for Dyson would we need Jay on the major league roster? - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:52:38 Dyson isn't a throw-in though. You'd have to give up something pretty good to get him. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:54:27 It remains to be seen what Dyson brings back but I doubt its anything that meaningful - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:57:47 It won't be anything crazy, but will be at least a decent prospect. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 23:00:44 I'd be surprised if they get a top 100 guy back, but we'll see - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 23:03:19 They aren't trading for Dyson. They made the Jay move. They aren't bringing anyone to replace him* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:54:26 I think it's the Royals that have to contribute more if it's not a 1:1. - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:41:12 There's a fairly decent chance that Soler never amounts to anything though. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 22:45:57 Davis though is not without risk. Some drop in his numbers last year. So he's not 100% either* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:47:25 4 years for Soler and he can opt into arbitration* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 22:42:33 I misread baseball reference's number. Thanks* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 22:47:57 Lol, now all the insiders are backing off again. How many times will this be "close?"* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 21:44:30 Joel Sherman adds "strong sense Davis to Cubs" but also that it might not be done to tonight* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:57:35 "seriously down the road" per Passan - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:47:00 I'm a little torn. I'm all for trading Soler but not necessarily for a rental with arm cancer.* - warrenillini December 6, 2016, 21:45:36 A little sad to see soler go even though it was obvious he was the odd man out - illini21 December 6, 2016, 21:34:48 Good bye Jorge. Wish it would have worked out better - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:34:41 really wish he would've been used in a trade for a young starter* - illini21 December 6, 2016, 21:35:55 This feels like fair value for him. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 21:40:28 Me too, but I'm glad we're keeping Jimenez and Happ* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 21:38:51 Greg amsinger just suggested soler and happ for Davis - illini21 December 6, 2016, 20:04:40 Lol. No* - mrap24 December 6, 2016, 21:01:02 Soler is more than enough* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 20:42:31 holy god no* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 20:18:01 Who's Happ? * - Efrem December 6, 2016, 20:17:40 top Cubs prospect. Can play OF or 2B. * - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 20:18:55 Ian Happ their top prospect and 1st round draft pick two years ago - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:18:36 Ok thanks * - Efrem December 7, 2016, 9:22:24 I wouldn't give up more than montero, szczur, lastella, and strop, - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 20:11:47 A push from the Nats is the holdup, according to Stark. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 20:05:42 Just realized that half of these deals are probably going down a few blocks from my house... - LeatherneckIllini December 6, 2016, 19:58:20 Wilson Ramos to TB on a 2 year deal. Should be interesting with the torn ACL* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:48:01 probably won't be back until late June/early July?* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:48:56 Cain, davis, escobar. For rosenthal, pheralta, wong and bader - villain December 6, 2016, 19:45:50 I'd love for the Cubs to trade for Dyson. Nice platoon option w Almora* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 20:46:46 I guess Jay may prevent that* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 20:48:10 MMac, how did Dyson have the highest WAR for Royals position players?* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 19:58:34 Because Hosmer/Cain/Gordon/Perez all had shit years and Escobar blows* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:00:48 And Moustakas got hurt* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:01:05 where would he have fit on the Cubs?* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 20:17:03 I think he'd have been a better option than Jon Jay. Platoon him with Almora* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:18:03 Won't happen. BowTie is in the spa. Couples massage with Matheny* - Pooter December 6, 2016, 19:57:31 having expensive desserts and caviar* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:58:38 000 - Tortillini December 6, 2016, 19:47:38 That rumor was posted below last night by pooter* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:47:35 I actually heard this last night on MLB Network Radio* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:47:18 Liar - villain December 6, 2016, 19:47:57 bzzzzzzzz* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:48:29 snag in deal now per Passan - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:43:32 I would assume medicals on Davis* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:44:25 Rosenthal tends to think that's the holdup also* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:53:20 I hope the Cubs use that to lower the price* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:54:06 or get another piece in that deal for around the same package* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:55:43 Passan says Cubs/Royals deal NOT DONE but all signs point to something getting done - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:33:39 Davis to the Cubs? per Olney* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:17:21 Passan backing off, saying there could be a snag. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 19:44:09 I am pretty worried about the price* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 19:36:18 Especially given that the Nats and Dodgers have a lot of interest as well. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 19:40:41 Soler would annoy me, but I guess I could part with that. - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:42:46 MLB network guys (Amsinger/Lowell/Derosa) throwing out crazy names - OB25 December 6, 2016, 20:01:36 Amsinger is an idiot and I don't think DeRo or Lowell have a clue* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:03:13 I like Amsinger but I think he's trying to do a Mad Dog gimmick - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 20:24:25 Meh he's been a dolt for years and proves it nightly* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 20:25:54 Awesome. Hope it's true (and that we aren't shocked at the price, like with Chapman)* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 19:23:07 Not done. Passan/Olney both reported close. Passan adds growing optimism will be done* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:33:53 Soler included, perhaps?* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 19:20:02 no Duffy?* - reggiedunlop December 6, 2016, 19:17:47 I think they keep Duffy but I'd love to pair Duffy with Montgomery again* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:18:42 Passan too. Always making moves during the BA Gala lol* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:17:41 Royals focused on moving Davis and Dyson. Close to moving Dyson - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 19:05:16 MLB.com slotted the prospects post-trade - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 18:26:18 Sounds like there's a lot of buzz about a Wade Davis deal being on the horizon for someone. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 18:09:21 Seems like most Davis buzz centers around LA* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 18:15:47 and I'm seeing online Cubs are considered one of the favorites for Holland* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 18:17:21 Mitch The B!tch Moreland to Bosox per Rosenthal* - bbonb December 6, 2016, 17:06:32 Another white red shoe will rise up... - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 17:10:34 Moreland to Boston on a 1 year deal. Boston probably done adding - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 17:06:17 gotta beat the best to be the best son - djtrumpillini December 6, 2016, 19:17:31 So the Rangers are signing encarnacion and Joey bats?... - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 19:29:39 woah: yankees make contract offers for BOTH Jensen and Chapman - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 15:59:32 I love it, but perhaps we pump the brakes a little, Passan - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 15:38:09 Passan also compares himself with Ford Frick and Grantland Rice regularly* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 15:50:41 Wondering if Cubs go after Buchholz now. Wouldn't surprise me* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 15:27:21 Boston has a surplus of starters for sure.* - DouchieHowser December 6, 2016, 15:30:22 Porcello, Price, Sale, Rodriguez, Pomeranz, Wright, Buchholz. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 15:52:33 I'd think Pomeranz has to be in the rotation* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 15:56:04 Agreed, but there's been talk of moving him to the pen. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 16:06:52 Dombrowski says the CBA was Hahn's impetus for Sale trade - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 15:25:57 Per Nightengale re: Quintana - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 15:00:50 Quintana is basically equivalent value to Sale - tit December 6, 2016, 15:19:55 Don't take too big a step back. Don't stop now boys!* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 15:09:48 Dodgers and Royals involved in trade talks. Guessing Wade Davis* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:08:59 Or could theoretically be Mike Moustakas* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:09:49 I think Hosmer will be the only one they end up signing to a deal - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:22:04 Levine says BoSox picking up the remaining $31 million on Moncada's original deal.* - AintHatin December 6, 2016, 13:50:00 I think Bruce has those numbers wrong* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:58:39 Moncada is only getting $31.5 million total. The other $31.5 goes to MLB as tax - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:00:55 Although the tax is probably due with the bonus payment - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:03:25 And Bruce clarifies - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:06:44 Just got better.* - SurfTheBoneyard December 6, 2016, 13:52:18 Per Jen Langosch: Sox may want Carson Kelly in deal for Adam Eaton - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 13:39:05 They'd probably targeting Reyes from the Cards* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:43:31 Reyes for Eaton? - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 13:53:52 Oh, Cardinal boy* - GMAW December 6, 2016, 15:18:59 I didn't know Eaton's contract. I was under impression he had 1-2 years left* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 15:29:01 Should be a no-brainer for Cardinals - Sydney Carton December 6, 2016, 14:07:20 you might be right there. I still think Reyes will be a super reliever this year anyway - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:18:45 Matheny is an equal opportunity arm-wrecker. Starters, relievers, matters not* - Sydney Carton December 6, 2016, 15:40:35 He was a freaking 6 win player last year - tit December 6, 2016, 14:00:07 Get 'er done* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 14:01:51 agreed. now that I know his contract situation. I say hell yes.* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:05:13 I'm gettting giddy with the teardown seemingly a full go - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 14:06:40 I thought his contract was up sooner than it is* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:01:19 Think you may need to do some more research on Adam Eaton, Saint* - Carl Spackler December 6, 2016, 13:55:31 I know he's a really good OF...but I don't see Cards going that route to give up Reyes - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 13:58:27 Eaton has three years plus two friendly options. He's worth a ton - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:59:38 THAT I didn't know. Some reason I thought his contract was up soon - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:00:48 Cain is a free agen after next IIRC. Plenty of control with Eaton.* - Sydney Carton December 6, 2016, 14:08:34 I just like Cain in CF more than Eaton in CF. Hell...I'd try to do BOTH deals if possible - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:16:19 Wouldn't you want Eaton in RF?* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 14:17:01 I mistyped. edited it. * - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:17:53 So dumb - there will be no exception to the international hard cap for Otani (or others like him) - OB25 December 6, 2016, 13:34:02 3 years is also when the Cubs' debt/budget issues go away, no?* - Tortillini December 6, 2016, 14:13:13 Si also when TV contracts come up. Big year for the Cubs - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 14:14:21 think Cubs will do their own TV network ala Yankees?* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 14:17:17 Indeed a bummer, I've been penciling him into the Cubs 2018 rotation AND lineup.* - warrenillini December 6, 2016, 13:38:01 Sure sounds like the Cubs front office has been planning their resources around that idea too. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 13:39:59 That Red Sox rotation has 4 lefties (Sale, Price, Pomeranz, Rodriguez) - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 13:08:47 Nationals are going to be desperate now after losing Melancon and Sale. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:41:53 Go get Quintana* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:42:43 It's kind of amazing how many baseball people (journalists/insiders/etc.)... - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:51:38 Because I wrongly assumed Boston wouldn't move Moncada that's the guy I expected the Red Sox to get* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 13:00:32 This. Giolito and Robles* - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 12:45:43 Would have to think good groundwork laid on a deal for Quintana. - Carl Spackler December 6, 2016, 12:44:26 Move Frazier to LA if they can't get a deal done with Turner* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:47:06 talk is Dodgers are interested - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:48:44 Go get Giolito and Robles for him now* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:45:23 please* - MtHoodIllini December 6, 2016, 14:11:31 I was just getting ready to say that* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:45:07 Wow Sale for Kopech/Moncada and two more per Rosenthal* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:12:37 Finally! * - MtHoodIllini December 6, 2016, 14:10:21 Seems like both teams made out pretty well. Love me some hot stove.* - warrenillini December 6, 2016, 13:17:02 this deal is way better than the Nats deal. Approved.* - tit December 6, 2016, 12:56:52 Amen. Now you tell the Nats they can have Q for the same deal* - StripedOrangeSox December 6, 2016, 13:33:44 Per BP, we got the nos 2, 5, and 6 BOS prospects* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 13:02:26 Kopech was suspended for PEDs and for fighting with a teammate* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:39:03 His GF is a reality TV 'star' - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:54:07 This is the kind of info that I need from the Ishers. LOL.* - osklister December 6, 2016, 13:20:48 Was he suspended or did he injure his hand fighting a teammate? - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:41:00 Per KLaw on scuffle. May be overblown. - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 15:05:29 my bad! LOL! Suspended 50 games for PEDs, gets into fight in spring training last year* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:41:51 Yep he's got issues but also a 105 MPH fastball* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:39:36 maybe Coop can get through to him in 2018* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:40:09 Nightengale says the other 2 players are Luis Basabe and Victor Diaz* - UIHuskie December 6, 2016, 12:35:21 Basabe (Red Sox #8) and Diaz (Red Sox #28) are other 2 players* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:34:58 Ha Red Sox traded both Luis Basabes* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:36:19 Did the White Sox get the Luis Basabe they wanted?* - illini222 December 6, 2016, 12:38:59 It would be awesome if the other Rougned Odor got traded, just to see the confusion.* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:38:19 That would rub me the wrong way.* - AintHatin December 6, 2016, 12:48:32 Yes!!* - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 12:34:27 Interesting. I didn't think they'd move Moncada. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:33:15 I don't think this happens if the Red Sox had a longer tenured GM. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:31:50 And Dombrowski has had no trouble pulling the trigger when selling prospects in the past* - delgriffith December 6, 2016, 13:01:52 Perhaps but Moncada is the type of guy that this trade had to be about - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:42:39 Moncada in AAA until Lawrie gets hurt again?* - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:27:48 or does Lawrie get traded in a move? - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:29:50 How much trade value does Lawrie have? Injury prone, clubhouse lawyer. - detlef December 6, 2016, 12:31:11 Not much. I'd expect he's just there to suck PAs. - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:34:13 not a lot but I think he still has SOME value. Not a great deal - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:33:33 He could play CF too. I think he starts in Charlotte - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:29:00 Nice move for the white Sox and he stays in the AL. Perfect* - mrap24 December 6, 2016, 12:27:18 This is the perfect haul for them... if they don't rush Moncada. - Carl Spackler December 6, 2016, 12:23:16 If they unload I don't think Moncada is going to make much a difference in record - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:24:48 Some rumors of Swihart. Which would make it more impressive IMO* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:20:01 He's probaby odd man out there so makes sense* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:23:23 Heyman saying other 2 are very young minor leaguers* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:25:41 Wow, they actually got Moncada. That's huge.* - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:15:02 I think they were asking for Moncada/Benintendi and Red Sox balked at Benintendi - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:15:44 In July they apparently asked for Betts and Benintendi.* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:42:46 Great deal IMO for the White Sox* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:13:00 Now move Q to the Nats* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:14:25 Yeah get Giolito and Robles for Q* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:15:00 Would be a great start to the reload* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:15:54 I mean trade Q/Abreu/Frazier/Robertson. Unload them all now. That farm system could be jacked* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:18:54 I'd deal Eaton too - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:20:34 Red Sox still strongly in mix for Sale per Rosenthal. Nats telling teams Gio would be available - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:40:38 Everything seems pointing to BoSox now. Heyman/Rosenthal both pushing it - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:55:59 I love JBJ but as the centerpiece of a rebuild, I'd pass - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:07:58 I think if Moncada isn't involved, you'd see both Kopech and Groome. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:31:07 They should be accumulating the most/best assets they can regardless of service time - tit December 6, 2016, 12:11:31 If he's the centerpiece, it has to come with more of their top minor league guys. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 12:10:19 JBJ is a super 2* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:09:20 So 4 years of control left?* - bjl63 December 6, 2016, 12:12:08 Love me some JBJ. - tit December 6, 2016, 12:00:31 I really like Bradley, but I suspect that the Red Sox would be smart to sell high on him now. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 11:59:52 I assume a package centered around JBJ is better than anything rumored from the Nats?* - illinibk December 6, 2016, 11:58:18 It would seem weird to me that JBJ would be involved - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:01:10 JBJ is a good sell high candidate. - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 12:04:56 Doesn't seem like a sunk cost to me if you're getting Chris Sale - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:08:32 also appears Robertson may be involved in deal as well* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 11:58:17 Please be true* - UofIL6 December 6, 2016, 12:00:22 Link?* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:59:34 Chris Cotillo - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:00:07 Oh that says Nationals might push for Robertson* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:01:54 I said MAY be involved. I never said he WOULD be - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:02:34 I meant more that this subthread is about the Red Sox as that seems to be the momentum* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 12:03:26 gotcha.* - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:05:29 wow. rumor is going around DC that Fowler is not in love with the Cardinals - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 11:08:08 This seems to be Frank Cusumano? The Cards offer was the initial offer - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 11:58:11 right. sorry. forgot to link it. also seen it from some Cards blog writers - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 12:01:55 I am Jack's complete lack of surprise. * - illini December 6, 2016, 11:57:05 I LOVE YOU DEXTER* - GMAW December 6, 2016, 11:43:52 Noticed this for the 1st time: the Winter Meetings have a logo. How long has this been going on? * - osklister December 6, 2016, 8:08:42 Years. It's a huge event. Job fair* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:22:09 I'd love to go sometime, but it sounds like it's not quite what it used to be. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 10:22:28 If it were actually in the city I might have popped in at lunchtime. - Tortillini December 6, 2016, 10:32:04 You probably won't see many GMs, but lots of reporters, agents, possible players - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 10:29:27 got my first job at the 1994 Winter Meetings job fair in Dallas * - Jersey December 6, 2016, 10:18:55 Boston/Milwaukee making trade. I'm guessing more minor though* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:08:04 Tyler Thornburg going to Boston. Thornburg is pretty solid* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:25:16 Good bullpen depth. Like it* - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 10:30:10 Sounds like BoSox are trying to bring in Moreland to replace Shaw* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 10:31:06 Yep. I liked Shaw - Chicago1995 December 6, 2016, 10:36:20 Brewers getting Travis Shaw and Josh Pennington* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:20:24 Also Mauricio Dubon. I really like this deal for Milwaukee* - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:27:07 Cards have made an inital offer to Fowler. - illiniviz December 6, 2016, 8:01:20 established themselves in the runner-up spot * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 8:05:49 I'm okay running up for Fowler if the Cards can make the deal for Cain mentioned below* - jayd December 6, 2016, 8:24:50 per MLB radio, Cards/Royals continue talking. Wong, Rosie, Peralta, Bader for Cain, Davis, Escobar * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 0:02:52 Hey, that's me! * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 19:54:59 just tweeted Casey Stern and he doesn't think there's a deal there - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 10:34:54 That would be a super weird trade for the Royals. Doesn't make much sense. - OB25 December 6, 2016, 8:48:26 Bader and Wong are in there - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 8:55:26 I missed that Bader was in there. That makes it better, but... - OB25 December 6, 2016, 9:11:57 I think its what a team in the Royals position needs to do - Marshall McDougal December 6, 2016, 9:16:21 Royals certainly get more years of control * - Pooter December 6, 2016, 9:01:54 Cubs offer Soler, strop, lastella and candelario* - SportzAndMalortz December 6, 2016, 7:18:34 In a nanosecond. * - uofi1998 December 6, 2016, 7:14:22 Of course. Cards would be stealing* - mrap24 December 6, 2016, 7:48:06 That would be a very good move. * - harb99 December 6, 2016, 7:00:12 Please be true* - CWR10 December 6, 2016, 6:59:02 wow. surprised Cards wouldn't have to give up Flaherty in the deal - DanSaint December 6, 2016, 1:36:55 That would be a heck of a deal* - quincybluedevil2002 December 6, 2016, 0:48:14 Sox and Rockies talking about Abreu, per Rockies beat guy.* - AintHatin December 5, 2016, 22:07:13 Wonder if you could get Rogers in a deal for Quintana.* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 22:41:23 also heard Rockies might be interested in Encarnacion or Trumbo* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 22:11:48 He could do some big time damage in that park* - UofIL6 December 5, 2016, 22:09:25 I'm kind of geeking out over the thought that the Sox might actually do the tear down.* - Carl Spackler December 5, 2016, 22:09:06 If you're going to do it, you can't half-ass it - UofIL6 December 5, 2016, 22:10:37 Eaton is like 28. Deal him too - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 22:12:05 Cotillo says current buzz is that Royals want to package Cain and Davis together.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 21:36:44 I heard they went to Cardinals about potential deal involving Wong and prospects - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 21:42:16 Is BowTie even in DC? * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 21:50:28 I have heard that he is there. * - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 21:51:10 cool, i'll take both* - mrap24 December 5, 2016, 21:41:37 sounds like Nats and Sox could be closing in on deal for Sale - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:21:12 Apparently Giolito's grandfather played Susan's father in Seinfeld - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 22:23:04 Sale must be excited about going to a locker room where The Drake is welcome.* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 21:05:17 fvcking nats* - snipes824 December 5, 2016, 20:33:59 Eff, was hoping he would stay in the AL* - bigbop85 December 5, 2016, 20:28:59 explain this to me like someone that doesn't follow every major and minor leaguer... - OskeeWowWowDig December 5, 2016, 20:28:08 Robles is a potential five tool CF - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 20:35:45 does Giolito really have #1 potential? - tit December 5, 2016, 20:38:20 he didn't show that much for Nats this year* - Potomac December 5, 2016, 20:51:13 Madeux wasn't all that good his first time around either. - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 21:58:59 maddux never struggled with command* - tit December 5, 2016, 21:59:54 He's got elite stuff when healthy - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:42:27 I think so. He does have some injury concerns and some control - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:39:18 Here's MLB.com's top prospects list.... - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:32:09 Giolito is overrated on that list but ... - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 22:32:46 Not convinced Moncada wouldn't happen - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:36:07 yes. Nats have a really good farm system and Robles is a damn good player - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:29:58 I like the idea of Giolito and Rodon together to build with - StripedOrangeSox December 5, 2016, 20:32:08 That's exactly how I feel* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:35:08 This is better than the deals you were saying Sox fans should be happy with a week ago, IMO. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:37:08 And looking at the deal it was Albies/Newcomb/Anderson - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:45:42 I disagree. I'd rather have the Dodgers deal mentioned and Red Sox - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:43:26 But there's been many people saying that Moncada is not in the discussion. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:47:24 I've heard the opposite that the Red Sox are more willing to part with Moncada - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:49:25 Maybe they could get them to throw in Severino.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:59:12 If it's Robles/Giolito/Severino I think Albies/Newcomb/Anderson is a better deal - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 21:00:33 I loved the Dodgers deal...no idea if that was more than a pipe dream however* - StripedOrangeSox December 5, 2016, 20:44:06 BJL you might be happy. Giolito/Robles for Sale close? - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:20:17 That's a great deal for the Sox if it happens. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:21:31 It's certainly an interesting deal. Sale is much better for the Nats than Giolito/Robles - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:23:36 Lopez or Fedde to finish it off?* - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 20:36:51 I can't imagine they include either if already giving up Robles/Giolito* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:41:43 I still wonder if Nats are reluctant to give up Turner if they have to throw in another top prospect - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 20:36:17 Yearly Cubs interested in Rays pitchers tweet from Heyman - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:12:40 And Phil Rogers stating the obvious - Cubs have always liked Tyson Ross* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:17:41 How does that effect the Cubs on Maudie's +\- system?* - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:31:47 Jed's media session he explicitly stated if any pitcher is available the Cubs will be involved* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:18:22 Isn't odorizzi a local guy? - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:14:42 downstate* - Pooter December 5, 2016, 20:15:56 If the metro east area is local sure* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 20:15:45 Blurgh, I wonder who I was thinking of? - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:28:57 Michael Bowden * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 20:32:53 I don't think so... - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 20:34:18 Friendly reminder to ishers with kids, make them play baseball - bigbop85 December 5, 2016, 19:55:18 And how about the Rich Hill story? - OB25 December 5, 2016, 20:05:50 Really happy for him. Always liked the guy.* - tacoshooter December 5, 2016, 20:15:32 wow sandoval - snipes824 December 5, 2016, 19:23:23 That's impressive. Would be quite the nice surprise for the Red Sox if he bounced back.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 19:24:45 All his belts seem relieved* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 19:24:08 Royals interested in a Wong (he says Wang)/prospects for Cain/Davis - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 17:48:39 Wow Melancon has an opt out after year 2. Guaranteed $34 million - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 16:58:10 apparently Cubs are "among serious contenders" for Davis - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 16:35:32 Makes a lot of sense.* - OB25 December 5, 2016, 16:39:34 Below you mentioned Jeimer - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 16:42:43 Would you trade Soler for Davis?* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 19:30:15 Rangers seem interested in Jorge Soler. Cubs need relief help - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 15:50:05 Interesting, but I don't see the fit. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 16:15:49 He can opt into arbitration after this season - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 16:21:34 Ah yea, you're right. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 16:31:50 In a Soler trade I would expect the Cubs to be focusing on a starter* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 15:51:02 wow. The Bryce Harper contract demands. WOWZERS! - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 13:59:11 Boras says he hasn't discussed any long term deals with Nats - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:43:25 Not surprising. I thought you meant he was at like $600 - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:07:34 not surprising...but to SEE that number kinda takes you aback for a minute* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 14:08:52 The $400-$500 numbers have been out there for over a year* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:11:16 Yeah I was more surprised he wasn't asking 500 mil* - illini21 December 5, 2016, 14:14:44 and if Nats decided to deal him....could you imagine the package? - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 14:13:49 knowing this contract is looming would make him less attractive in a trade, not more. imo* - snipes824 December 5, 2016, 14:16:21 I don't think his contract demands would play into his trade value - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:21:21 higher ceiling, lower floor* - GMAW December 5, 2016, 16:35:52 to quote knish - ignignokt December 5, 2016, 14:06:27 He has been reading Trump's book* - Figs December 5, 2016, 14:14:37 Trade him.* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 14:04:05 Chapman speaks - mrap24 December 5, 2016, 13:23:19 I think if the Cubs acquire a potential closer it would look like AJ Ramos - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 13:56:54 I think they roll w/ Rondon and CJ and make a deal at midseason if necessary.* - CIB December 5, 2016, 14:12:25 I think so too. I was just positing what a Cubs closer acquisition would look like* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:14:04 I would have liked to have seen Kenley* - VIV December 5, 2016, 14:03:27 would Holland become a closer right away? especially if fastball isn't fully back yet?* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 13:58:11 heyman reports Nats stepping up bid for Sale, meeting this afternoon with Sox - tit December 5, 2016, 13:16:31 If the Sox can come off Turner, a deal is there - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 13:19:14 Rosenthal says Nats more focused on Sale with Sox likely getting Robles/Giolito + - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 14:51:03 I like. Get it done, Rick* - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 14:54:26 Just listened to some of Hahn's press conference. - AintHatin December 5, 2016, 18:23:57 Cubs have talked to Royals regarding Wade Davis. per Jon Morosi* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 12:30:44 Jansen and Chapman could be wanting opt out clauses in any contract they sign - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 12:26:46 3 year deal for Rich Hill and Dodgers per Chris Cotillo - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 12:03:21 Dodgers officially sign Rich Hill to 3 year deal* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 12:03:14 4/~$62 for Melancon. Biggest deal ever for a closer (which will soon be passed)* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 11:59:55 From the salmon pants wearers* - SportzAndMalortz December 5, 2016, 12:01:24 Thank God their bullpen was so shitty this year.* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 12:01:56 SOURCES (per Steve Phillips): Blue Jays now OUT on Encarnacion - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:11:31 I think that was pretty clear with the Morales and Pearce signings - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 11:13:51 I hadn't heard Moreland. Pearce can play multiple positions - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:17:20 FG top 21 Sox prospects - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 11:06:23 not a huge deal but UnderArmor takes over as official MLB Outfitter - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 10:21:30 That's what it means. Starting in 2020* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 10:23:07 I've heard they are pushing for it to start sooner, we will see* - bigbop85 December 5, 2016, 19:26:17 interesting. Wonder what new "designs" we see...if any* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 10:25:10 Alternate unis for the Orioles probably on the horizon. * - uofi1998 December 5, 2016, 10:29:36 Probably go the way of Maryland.* - boCool December 5, 2016, 12:38:53 I've always though a Sunday Cardinals jersey would be neat - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 10:48:05 those would suck* - Pooter December 5, 2016, 11:08:39 no...YOU suck (not really...but to each their own)* - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:09:58 Giants and Melancon nearing deal? - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:28:39 Rosenthal says this is close* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 10:43:01 per Jason Martinez (MLB Depth Chart): deal is final. no terms yet - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 11:52:32 possible team emerging for Encarnacion: Cleveland - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:27:10 Astros and Nats "trying hardest" to land Sale - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:16:18 bregman would be the ask from the Astros... - tit December 5, 2016, 9:21:00 don't underestimate how stupid duhnow is - ignignokt December 5, 2016, 10:25:17 Astros would be nuts to part with Bregman. - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 9:45:38 I feel like there's been way too much emphasis on MLB- ready guys anyway from the Sox standpoint - Carl Spackler December 5, 2016, 9:27:02 If the reports are true that the Sox want "MLB ready" guys, this is where they're screwing this up - GMAW December 5, 2016, 9:34:59 Yep, Cameron had an article on this last week. - Carl Spackler December 5, 2016, 12:24:06 It makes no sense whatsoever.* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 9:54:46 This is why the team is mired in mediocrity. They never have a good plan - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 9:45:46 This will be their fallback - bjl63 December 5, 2016, 9:32:06 Jerry doesn't spend in the draft though. - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:28:50 Are you for a rebuild or taking a shot with a few signings of good value? - RD December 5, 2016, 9:23:32 If you're taking a shot in a known short window, why worry about value? - DT December 5, 2016, 9:56:09 If they can't get even decent value, no point in trading - tit December 5, 2016, 9:28:21 What are you considering decent value? - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:38:26 Moncada is the guy the Sox should be going after - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:22:01 The Sox can ask for those guys all they want, they aren't getting any of them. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 9:20:32 Cardinals "keeping tabs" on CF Lorenzo Cain - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:11:54 Oh there he is* - illiniviz December 5, 2016, 10:24:00 where is he now? * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 11:23:00 My colleagues in KC are sweating the 2017 offseason hard. - uofi1998 December 5, 2016, 9:38:40 Cain, Hosmer, Moustakas, Duffy, Wade Davis, Dyson, and Escobar will all be FA. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 10:07:19 I don't get why they need to make any moves now - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 10:12:44 I think they do something smaller, like trade Davis. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 10:31:47 Is he a FA or trade candidate?* - warrenillini December 5, 2016, 9:20:15 trade. with the new CBA that'll come into effect next year - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:22:25 LOL. You could "live with" the 2nd best center fielder in baseball the last two years?* - GMAW December 5, 2016, 9:15:12 I was being facetious. Of course I'd love that move. * - DanSaint December 5, 2016, 9:16:45 Pearce to Toronto 2/$12.5. Not shaping up well for Encarnacion* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 8:46:30 Bunch of rumors - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 8:27:13 If the White Sox are going to trade Sale, shouldn't they try to trade Robertson to one of these? - illini222 December 5, 2016, 9:29:41 Perhaps to whoever misses out on the big 3* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:31:35 Dodgers are interesting, depending on how how much you believe that they need to cut costs. - OB25 December 5, 2016, 9:01:20 They appear to be focused on bringing back Turner* - Marshall McDougal December 5, 2016, 9:02:02 Phillies close to signing Joaquin Benoit - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 22:06:59 Is he related to Chris Benoit?* - SportzAndMalortz December 4, 2016, 22:57:30 who? sorry name does not ring a bell. Just causes DEAD air* - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 23:53:52 Nightengale claiming the Nats are trying to get both McCutchen and Sale. - Carl Spackler December 4, 2016, 21:02:14 Would mean at least one of Chicago/Pittsburgh isn't getting what they want* - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 21:05:35 but if they do so...leaves them virtually nada in the farm system - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 21:04:09 Nippon to post Otani next year? - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 20:57:07 Must be planning on a loophole* - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 20:57:45 Rosenthal said Cards could be a big sleeper team at the meetings - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 19:30:52 They have the extra cash flow from their Cubs ticket packages.* - CIB December 5, 2016, 9:31:19 using that $$ for BPV development * - Pooter December 5, 2016, 11:08:10 exactly. shocked if the Cradz do anything. maybe a Capitol tour * - Pooter December 4, 2016, 19:36:59 White Sox do not perceive Red Sox or Dodgers as serious contenders for Sale - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:34:01 It sounds like nobody is putting a serious package together.* - DouchieHowser December 5, 2016, 8:50:45 In don't think the Sox really want to trade him* - mrap24 December 4, 2016, 18:39:15 Or don't know how to* - bjl63 December 4, 2016, 18:47:50 Yeah that makes more sense* - mrap24 December 4, 2016, 19:06:20 Jon Daniels says Rangers not looking at trades like the Cole Hamels deal. - Carl Spackler December 4, 2016, 18:38:51 Seems like everyone is saying the Sox demands are too high - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 18:42:57 No doubt they'll waste another offseason* - bjl63 December 4, 2016, 18:45:53 and Sox have said they want Trea Turner but Nats won't deal him* - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:45:00 Nate have a strong system. If the Sox won't budge - bjl63 December 4, 2016, 18:47:07 Yankees close to a deal with Matt Holliday per Sweeny Murti of WFAN - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 17:48:17 Holliday for 1/$13 seems like a pretty good deal for the Yanks - Marshall McDougal December 4, 2016, 18:37:48 NYC loves 2-hoppers to short? * - Pooter December 4, 2016, 18:43:06 Encarnacion maybe should have taken that 4/$80M offer from the Jays.* - OB25 December 4, 2016, 18:40:50 As far as I'm concerned, deal is still on the table - quincybluedevil2002 December 4, 2016, 19:45:38 everything I've been reading is he may not get a deal better than that one - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:44:28 now appears two NL teams have gotten in talks with Encarnacion - DanSaint December 4, 2016, 18:49:45 i don't think the mets will be in on encarnacion* - snipes824 December 4, 2016, 19:48:23   Searching