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As predicted we’re ceding ultimate control of the strait to Iran…ships passing must…

Posted by haighter

on June 19, 2026, 10:24:06, in reply to "Strait traffic dropped from an average of 100 ships a day to an average of 9…"

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It was effectively closed by all rational metrics. It’s why Trump pissed and moaned about not having enough international help reopening the strait.

And aside from this, our great ally in the region, Israel, is never going to let us out of this joint war and never going to ease up in Lebanon, per actions today and yesterday.

So, great and grand MOU we got there. Fucking worthless.

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after they “closed” it, through the Southern route next to Oman. Only 24 Iranian ships were allowed (for humanitarian reasons). About 500 ships are still stuck, but it was not totally closed and the US had plans to de-mine it.

The only scenario where your plan (appeasement) makes sense is if Iran invents quantum radar or some technology that eliminates our military superiority. Then the shoe could be on the other foot and they’ll blast us back to the Stone Age (or enslave our women and tax us). As if they weren’t going to do that before? Who you shittin?

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So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing - Potomac June 15, 2026, 16:58:55

It’s vexxing, enlightening, and concerning that killing and destroying AT WILL in Iran isn’t 1-20 on - groupguy June 22, 2026, 18:00:01
Full text of the MOU for anyone interested in reading. It’s only 3 pages. - haighter June 21, 2026, 10:32:33
A proper country would return every Muslim and Indian home … - DouchieHowser June 21, 2026, 8:26:44
Apparently Hezbollah/Israel have reached another ceasefire agreement. - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 11:33:30
- Apparently not at all and Iran is closing the Strait again. * - haighter June 20, 2026, 11:33:23
  - Well, they don't last very long over there, do they??* - OskeeWowWowDig June 20, 2026, 13:49:25
Do you really believe this? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 14:56:35
- Trump should not have started the war - to say PERFECTLY is absurd* - Potomac June 18, 2026, 16:35:47
  - Should have let Iran keep funding Hez and Houthis and try to build nukes while talking shit? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:39:57
    - And now they have $300b more to pour into Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. Great job!* - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 9:13:24
      - So I haven't dug into the finer points of this, but my understanding is the funding - Figs June 19, 2026, 10:58:35
        
        But none of that is happening * - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 11:09:25
        
        None of what is happening? The $300B isn't coming from - Figs June 19, 2026, 11:12:06
        
        No…the stuff you said about “if the end result…” - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 11:18:56
        
        So your stance is that we should continue which stabilizing policies instead? - Figs June 22, 2026, 13:26:15
        
        As you can see in Lebanon with Iran’s Hezbollah, there is no normalization or - OskeeWowWowDig June 22, 2026, 20:25:06
        
        I guess I’m curious what you feel the proper course of action should be? - Figs June 22, 2026, 21:11:10
        
        The amount of Iranian money Obama released to them is DWARFED by the amount... - haighter June 19, 2026, 11:26:06
        
        Except that we not giving them $300 billion. No one is.* - Lexillini June 19, 2026, 13:08:13
        
        Is it the 300 billion in foreign investment as opposed to 300 billion in cash... - haighter June 19, 2026, 13:20:45
        
        They are conditional loans. Which Iran may never qualify for.* - Lexillini June 19, 2026, 15:17:18
        
        I don't see anywhere that describe these as loans. The Iranians are not going to have to pay... - haighter June 19, 2026, 16:26:54
        
        It says the U.S. will assist with possible "financing". - Lexillini June 19, 2026, 18:59:32
        
        If it's 300 billion in foreign investment then that is very different. - AceFrehley June 19, 2026, 13:26:20
        
        Oh, absolutely. The $300b is an insane award for them* - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 11:32:12
        
        They are not being given $300 billion.* - Lexillini June 19, 2026, 13:08:47
        
        kind of makes you wonder about the motivations of someone claiming otherwise...* - arthurkirkland June 19, 2026, 16:15:28
        
        My motivation is not to free up $300b for the biggest sponsor of terrorism* - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 18:32:24
        
        I thought you were team israel?* - villain June 22, 2026, 13:29:45
        
        Kinda makes me wonder why you don't still wait in the car. * - haighter June 19, 2026, 16:27:51
        
        (no idea)* - arthurkirkland June 20, 2026, 21:28:20
        
        A flow from existing despots to existing despots is absolutely going to happen... - haighter June 19, 2026, 11:18:29
      - And indirectly (and more importantly) all US sanctions on Iranian oil annd banking are suspended. * - haighter June 19, 2026, 10:25:32
        
        Though apparently the French of all people will veto removing sanctions. - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 11:10:54
- I don’t think it did any of what you say. - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 15:21:04
  - I think we put a significant dent in their nuclear program* - WesMantooth June 18, 2026, 17:28:36
    - I think we put a significant dent on OUR military stockpiles...but I'm sure if I owned stock... - haighter June 18, 2026, 17:46:54
      - here's a little secret - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 18:08:02
  - zero credit for opening strait that was open before Trump started the war* - Potomac June 18, 2026, 16:34:56
    - If I kill your dad because he’s a killer, break your windows and say be good, and my kids can walk - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:41:38
      - Depends...are your kids able to walk past my house because of what you did or because I let them... - haighter June 18, 2026, 17:12:51
        
        Are you into killing kids? Your dad was, but are you? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 19:45:51
        
        All I’m saying is in your analogy, Iran proved they could keep your kids… - haighter June 18, 2026, 20:18:23
        
        We always thought they could close the straight- except they didn’t. Over 1000 ships went through - groupguy June 18, 2026, 22:04:29
        
        Strait traffic dropped from an average of 100 ships a day to an average of 9… - haighter June 19, 2026, 8:53:30
        
        As predicted we’re ceding ultimate control of the strait to Iran…ships passing must… - haighter June 19, 2026, 10:24:06
  - Blowing their leaders up did nothing? What has their nuclear program accomplished past three months - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:07:28
This is how fucked up this world is. - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 13:27:40
- The world is fucked up because you’re in it. You should do something about that.* - BLMatters June 22, 2026, 4:15:45
- Can you believe Bonnie and Clyde were machine-gunned to death? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 13:40:51
Neocons love it. I think it’s a disaster* - DouchieHowser June 17, 2026, 20:37:30
While the left's propoganda is nonstop on this, this really seems to be a disaster for Trump* - Xar June 17, 2026, 19:37:39
- It is a book whose last chapter or two has yet to be written.* - Lexillini June 17, 2026, 19:43:12
  - will they get the girl?* - Playoff Rondo June 18, 2026, 0:05:00
I wasn't particularly happy about this. - AceFrehley June 15, 2026, 19:25:12
- My concern is we shut down the strait to crash world economy and pushed Iran … - DouchieHowser June 17, 2026, 20:38:42
  - Iran were already very close to Russia and China. This didn't change anything on that front.* - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 9:55:04
    - It demonstrated that those two won’t fight the US just for the sake of fighting the US - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:09:05
- A $300B reconstruction fund on top of, what, a couple hundred $B for the war?* - Potomac June 15, 2026, 20:40:14
  - I believe that is an international fund not just from US - OskeeWowWowDig June 15, 2026, 21:13:57
    - Read/heard pretty much the same thing. - osklister June 16, 2026, 12:21:57
      - I just read that the 300bn comes from UAE and Qatar initially with... - haighter June 17, 2026, 18:36:49
        
        I'm not seeing that last part anywhere.* - Lexillini June 17, 2026, 19:35:08
        
        Well, at the very least the US is buying Mid-east oil, which will fund $$ to invest in Iran. - osklister June 18, 2026, 9:13:58
        
        The reasonable actors in the Middle East want peace and stability. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 9:36:34
        
        Yep yep. - osklister June 18, 2026, 12:18:36
        
        Agreed. That's why I think it is far too early to render a final conclusion on this. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 13:18:41
        
        Well, kinda good analogy-but did Viet Nam have a tangible asset to export? - osklister June 18, 2026, 16:18:05
        
        We're all driving BMWs and Mercedes Benz* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 13:30:16
        
        Say buddy, my Bentley is at the Jiffy-Lube: can I borrow your Benz for the weekend? * - osklister June 18, 2026, 16:07:16
        
        Do you have any grey poupon?* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 18:05:10
        
        Oooh, look at Mr Correct Spelling over there! - osklister June 18, 2026, 18:39:00
        
        You eat poop-on* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 18:40:17
        
        Money often trumps ideology. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 13:51:00
        
        I think what happened was we decided to soften up the leadership - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 14:37:07
        
        I think Vietnam could have been won. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 14:43:42
        
        They knew. Goldwater laid it all out. We needed to kill a whole lot of people - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 14:57:32
I give it 5 days or less before israel attacks iran or lebanon again - villain June 15, 2026, 17:14:12
- Or less than 24 hours before Iran’s proxy army f*cks it up… - OskeeWowWowDig June 15, 2026, 19:18:37
Tell that to Iran.* - Lexillini June 15, 2026, 17:06:41
- all temporary; no regime change, no "unconditional surrender," etc.* - Potomac June 15, 2026, 21:00:55
  - No regime change? The regime that was in place at the start of this is dead.* - Lexillini June 16, 2026, 7:19:13
    - Pretty impressive tally here: - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 10:10:36
      - Crazy how many top leaders were eliminated btwn Iran and its proxies. - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 10:22:42
        
        We do not have the resolve for regime change. We haven't since 1945. - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 13:29:21
        
        Fine. It was still a massive L for the great surrenderer* - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 14:53:24
        
        I don't think it's a massive L. It was plan B all along* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 14:59:20
        
        Plan B was to accomplish….nothing!?* - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 15:17:36
        
        I'm not certain what you were realistically hoping for here.* - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 15:39:07
        
        more than nothing?* - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 15:45:38
        
        That's not an answer.* - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 15:56:20
        
        There was a lot to hope for at the beginning of the campaign... - OskeeWowWowDig June 19, 2026, 9:17:50
        
        The regime leaders in place when this started are pretty much all dead. - Lexillini June 19, 2026, 13:07:17
        
        I thought both Vance and Trump were pretty clear that they could keep their ballistic program? * - haighter June 19, 2026, 13:22:01
        
        A smaller portion of self-defense missiles.* - Lexillini June 19, 2026, 15:18:18
        
        The devil is in the details.* - AceFrehley June 19, 2026, 21:48:18
        
        They can keep short and medium range regional ballistic missiles for self defense.. - haighter June 20, 2026, 0:46:27
        
        I'm not pretending to know the devil. Keep that in mind.* - AceFrehley June 20, 2026, 0:57:33
        
        ^^new to the board, aren't ya?^^ * - osklister June 18, 2026, 16:20:36
    - but the ideology remains* - OskeeWowWowDig June 16, 2026, 10:48:04
      - As does the warning of what will happen of the new regime resembles the old one.* - Lexillini June 16, 2026, 10:53:26
        
        Not sure they care. One just replaces the other* - OskeeWowWowDig June 16, 2026, 12:18:29
        
        Then we occasionally keep doing this until they finally learn.* - Lexillini June 16, 2026, 12:25:10
        
        and if we don’t do this every few years it ends with armageddon * - Playoff Rondo June 17, 2026, 20:27:28

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