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So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing

Posted by Potomac User icon on June 15, 2026, 16:58:55

Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

It’s vexxing, enlightening, and concerning that killing and destroying AT WILL in Iran isn’t 1-20 on

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 22, 2026, 18:00:01, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

lists of considerations with this deal. We give them some money right away- lower oil prices right away, show good faith right away, give them ability to improve peoples’ lives vs. if they use it for military we BLOW IT UP AGAIN AND KILL LEADERS- how is that not the PERFECT choice?

We didn’t know what Iran could do if we attacked for 47 years. Now we do- not jack shit. Anyone who doesn’t see that for what it is.. retarded.

The only caveat is what happens if Iran develops superior quantum radar and superior lasers. But then we were fooked anyway.

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Full text of the MOU for anyone interested in reading. It’s only 3 pages.

Posted by haighter User icon on June 21, 2026, 10:32:33, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"
Boo Haighter

https://www.npr.org/2026/06/18/nx-s1-5863027/us-iran-trump-memorandum-of-understanding-full-text

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

A proper country would return every Muslim and Indian home …

Posted by DouchieHowser User icon on June 21, 2026, 8:26:44, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

and instead Trump brings more Indians in and destroys the economy with a war for Israel. Meanwhile Pritzker keeps seizing more private assets. This country is in a state of collapse.

Apparently Hezbollah/Israel have reached another ceasefire agreement.

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:33:30, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

how long this one will hold, no one knows.

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Apparently not at all and Iran is closing the Strait again. *

Posted by haighter User icon on June 20, 2026, 11:33:23, in reply to "Apparently Hezbollah/Israel have reached another ceasefire agreement. "
Boo Haighter

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how long this one will hold, no one knows.

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Well, they don't last very long over there, do they??*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 20, 2026, 13:49:25, in reply to "Apparently not at all and Iran is closing the Strait again. *"

retaliating.

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how long this one will hold, no one knows.

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Do you really believe this?

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 14:56:35, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

Inflict $1T in damage, kill leaders, get MOU to open straight and build new relationship and can go back to bombing at will- nothing?

Given the totality of reality, Trump has (outside his constant/normal/marginally productive trolling) played this PERFECTLY. What do you think you could have done better?

Obama gave them a path to a nuke. Trump ended that path (if they’re smart, forever). The rest of the world is pretty much on our side of NO NUKES FOR JIHADISTS. After 10/7, 1/6, 9/11, and Pearl Harbor, what kind of retard uses the word “imminent” anymore?

Trump should not have started the war - to say PERFECTLY is absurd*

Posted by Potomac User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:35:47, in reply to "Do you really believe this?"

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Should have let Iran keep funding Hez and Houthis and try to build nukes while talking shit?

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:39:57, in reply to "Trump should not have started the war - to say PERFECTLY is absurd*"

Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

And now they have $300b more to pour into Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. Great job!*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 9:13:24, in reply to "Should have let Iran keep funding Hez and Houthis and try to build nukes while talking shit?"

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

So I haven't dug into the finer points of this, but my understanding is the funding

Posted by Figs User icon on June 19, 2026, 10:58:35, in reply to "And now they have $300b more to pour into Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. Great job!*"

is coming from other countries in the region. These countries should essentially become a bridge to normalize relations in the region. They will have a vested interest based on their funding of a rebuilt Iran, and their partnerships with the US.

Anyone that claims they know what is happening behind the scenes is likely full of sh*t, but I can see a path where this stabilizes relationships.

I wasn't a fan of starting a "war" with Iran, just from a funding standpoint, I also don't love taking out foreign leaders as it set a bad precedent. If the end result removes funding for terrorists, prevents Iran from gaining nukes, and stabilizes relationships in the region. There is a lot of good that can come from this.

That is a big, expensive "IF."

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

“the intensity of a conviction that a hypothesis is true has no bearing over whether it is true or not.” - Peter Medawar

But none of that is happening *

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:09:25, in reply to "So I haven't dug into the finer points of this, but my understanding is the funding"

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

None of what is happening? The $300B isn't coming from

Posted by Figs User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:12:06, in reply to "But none of that is happening *"

other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

“the intensity of a conviction that a hypothesis is true has no bearing over whether it is true or not.” - Peter Medawar

No…the stuff you said about “if the end result…”

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:18:56, in reply to "None of what is happening? The $300B isn't coming from "

None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

So your stance is that we should continue which stabilizing policies instead?

Posted by Figs User icon on June 22, 2026, 13:26:15, in reply to "No…the stuff you said about “if the end result…”"

I'm glad that you are confident that there is no chance that normalizing regional relationships will have a positive effect on Iran.

I am not claiming that I'm a Middle East expert. With your confidence, perhaps you are.

I merely said I could see a path that could have a positive outcome.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

“the intensity of a conviction that a hypothesis is true has no bearing over whether it is true or not.” - Peter Medawar

As you can see in Lebanon with Iran’s Hezbollah, there is no normalization or

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 22, 2026, 20:25:06, in reply to "So your stance is that we should continue which stabilizing policies instead?"

Stabilization with terrorists. The on again off again closing of the strait is not stabilizing. At this point, I’m not confident that the MoU adequately addresses missiles and nukes.

Many Iranians are still oppressed by a harsh regime.

This is the stuff I’m talking about. Not much has changed.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

I guess I’m curious what you feel the proper course of action should be?

Posted by Figs User icon on June 22, 2026, 21:11:10, in reply to "As you can see in Lebanon with Iran’s Hezbollah, there is no normalization or"

It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize without having to take a stance.

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Stabilization with terrorists. The on again off again closing of the strait is not stabilizing. At this point, I’m not confident that the MoU adequately addresses missiles and nukes. Many Iranians are still oppressed by a harsh regime.

This is the stuff I’m talking about. Not much has changed.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

“the intensity of a conviction that a hypothesis is true has no bearing over whether it is true or not.” - Peter Medawar

The amount of Iranian money Obama released to them is DWARFED by the amount...

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:26:06, in reply to "No…the stuff you said about “if the end result…”"
Boo Haighter

...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

Except that we not giving them $300 billion. No one is.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 19, 2026, 13:08:13, in reply to "The amount of Iranian money Obama released to them is DWARFED by the amount..."
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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Is it the 300 billion in foreign investment as opposed to 300 billion in cash...

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 13:20:45, in reply to "Except that we not giving them $300 billion. No one is.*"
Boo Haighter

...that you're parsing here?

Not trying to be an ass. Just looking for clarification on your point.

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

They are conditional loans. Which Iran may never qualify for.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 19, 2026, 15:17:18, in reply to "Is it the 300 billion in foreign investment as opposed to 300 billion in cash..."
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...that you're parsing here?

Not trying to be an ass. Just looking for clarification on your point.

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

I don't see anywhere that describe these as loans. The Iranians are not going to have to pay...

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 16:26:54, in reply to "They are conditional loans. Which Iran may never qualify for.*"
Boo Haighter

...them back. It's 300 billion in a funded investment pool. A 300 billion dollar injection of funds into their reconstruction and economy, not a loan that they end up on the hook for.

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...that you're parsing here?

Not trying to be an ass. Just looking for clarification on your point.

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

It says the U.S. will assist with possible "financing".

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 19, 2026, 18:59:32, in reply to "I don't see anywhere that describe these as loans. The Iranians are not going to have to pay..."

Or at the least the initial memorandum of understanding released earlier week did. Something to the effect of the U.S. will assist in facilitating the the financing of up to $300 billion for reconstruction, provided that Iran first meets certain criteria.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

If it's 300 billion in foreign investment then that is very different.

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 19, 2026, 13:26:20, in reply to "Is it the 300 billion in foreign investment as opposed to 300 billion in cash..."

Not saying it's good or bad. Just very different.

And maybe foreign investment is a good thing. I'm a big believer that we can kill them with Capitalism.

Oh, absolutely. The $300b is an insane award for them*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:32:12, in reply to "The amount of Iranian money Obama released to them is DWARFED by the amount..."

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

They are not being given $300 billion.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 19, 2026, 13:08:47, in reply to "Oh, absolutely. The $300b is an insane award for them*"
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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

kind of makes you wonder about the motivations of someone claiming otherwise...*

Posted by arthurkirkland User icon on June 19, 2026, 16:15:28, in reply to "They are not being given $300 billion.*"

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

My motivation is not to free up $300b for the biggest sponsor of terrorism*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 18:32:24, in reply to "kind of makes you wonder about the motivations of someone claiming otherwise...*"

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

I thought you were team israel?*

Posted by villain User icon on June 22, 2026, 13:29:45, in reply to "My motivation is not to free up $300b for the biggest sponsor of terrorism*"
Stupidhead

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

probably just another real jerk in life

Kinda makes me wonder why you don't still wait in the car. *

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 16:27:51, in reply to "kind of makes you wonder about the motivations of someone claiming otherwise...*"
Boo Haighter

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

(no idea)*

Posted by arthurkirkland User icon on June 20, 2026, 21:28:20, in reply to "Kinda makes me wonder why you don't still wait in the car. *"

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...that Trump negotiated for them in the MOU.

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None of that is happening.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

A flow from existing despots to existing despots is absolutely going to happen...

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:18:29, in reply to "None of what is happening? The $300B isn't coming from "
Boo Haighter

...and with the Islamic Revolutionary Authority calling the shots and having final approval on any investments, you can bet they're going to be doing more than just wetting their beak.

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other Arab countries?

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

And indirectly (and more importantly) all US sanctions on Iranian oil annd banking are suspended. *

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 10:25:32, in reply to "And now they have $300b more to pour into Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. Great job!*"

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

Though apparently the French of all people will veto removing sanctions.

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 11:10:54, in reply to "And indirectly (and more importantly) all US sanctions on Iranian oil annd banking are suspended. *"

How embarrassing that the surrender monkeys have to step in to save Trump’s capitulation.

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Hell no. And it wasn’t even a war.

What did it cost you in higher gasoline purchases- $200?

I don’t think it did any of what you say.

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 18, 2026, 15:21:04, in reply to "Do you really believe this?"

Didn’t curb their ballistic missile program
Didn’t stop their nuclear program
Didn’t stop their proxy armies- Hezbollah has continued bombing northern Israel.
Gave them economic relief
Lifted sanctions

Opened the strait which was open before.

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I think we put a significant dent in their nuclear program*

Posted by WesMantooth User icon on June 18, 2026, 17:28:36, in reply to "I don’t think it did any of what you say."

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Uneducated Redneck Piece of Shit

I think we put a significant dent on OUR military stockpiles...but I'm sure if I owned stock...

Posted by haighter User icon on June 18, 2026, 17:46:54, in reply to "I think we put a significant dent in their nuclear program*"
Boo Haighter

...in any of the military industrial complex companies I'd be happy as a pig in shit right now.

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here's a little secret

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 18:08:02, in reply to "I think we put a significant dent on OUR military stockpiles...but I'm sure if I owned stock..."

we're going to buy them no matter what. we needed to get rid of the older supply. You've been in that sort of business.

I will not deny that the military industrial complex always wins. But I don't think we ordered more because of this. We were going to order it anyway.

zero credit for opening strait that was open before Trump started the war*

Posted by Potomac User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:34:56, in reply to "I don’t think it did any of what you say."

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If I kill your dad because he’s a killer, break your windows and say be good, and my kids can walk

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:41:38, in reply to "zero credit for opening strait that was open before Trump started the war*"

past your house no problems…

are you as stupid as the Dumbocrats?

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Depends...are your kids able to walk past my house because of what you did or because I let them...

Posted by haighter User icon on June 18, 2026, 17:12:51, in reply to "If I kill your dad because he’s a killer, break your windows and say be good, and my kids can walk"
Boo Haighter

...you decide which odds you like.

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past your house no problems… are you as stupid as the Dumbocrats?

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Are you into killing kids? Your dad was, but are you?

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 19:45:51, in reply to "Depends...are your kids able to walk past my house because of what you did or because I let them..."

No doubt you could take a shot at us. No doubt you die shortly after. I don’t think there are generations of kid killers, eventually the younger generation learns, don’t you think?

But if you don’t do anything eventually cannibalism, child diddling, female circumcision, chucking gay people off roofs (we may not stop that just yet) get normalized will go on and on until someone says WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE.

That Trump gets no credit for being this voice of sanity is the kind of derangement I think is horrible. Yes, he’s a narcissistic ass but a deal where “you can build nukes to put us to death in 20 years” is fucking crazy and rational people get that.

All I’m saying is in your analogy, Iran proved they could keep your kids…

Posted by haighter User icon on June 18, 2026, 20:18:23, in reply to "Are you into killing kids? Your dad was, but are you?"
Boo Haighter

…from walking past their house (if we’re both using this analogy for the Strait) as long as they wanted. We proved we were unable or unwilling to open the strait to a level that ships and their insurers were comfortable normally transversing the waters.

Iran now realizes they can do that whenever they want. They’re also going to negotiate a “maintenance fee” for every ship passing through the strait.

And we’ve now allowed and facilitated no sanctions on their oil and 300 billion in direct investment which I’m guessing will go majority to regime coffers.

And they’ve just started to discuss what their nuclear situation will be, but they’ve been fairly adamant whatever it is it’ll involve the IAEA and not the US directly…except for the trillion or so dollars we spent on this little outting.

So what else is it you want to jerk off about here, son?

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We always thought they could close the straight- except they didn’t. Over 1000 ships went through

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 22:04:29, in reply to "All I’m saying is in your analogy, Iran proved they could keep your kids…"

after they “closed” it, through the Southern route next to Oman. Only 24 Iranian ships were allowed (for humanitarian reasons). About 500 ships are still stuck, but it was not totally closed and the US had plans to de-mine it.

The only scenario where your plan (appeasement) makes sense is if Iran invents quantum radar or some technology that eliminates our military superiority. Then the shoe could be on the other foot and they’ll blast us back to the Stone Age (or enslave our women and tax us). As if they weren’t going to do that before? Who you shittin?

Strait traffic dropped from an average of 100 ships a day to an average of 9…

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 8:53:30, in reply to "We always thought they could close the straight- except they didn’t. Over 1000 ships went through "
Boo Haighter

It was effectively closed by all rational metrics. It’s why Trump pissed and moaned about not having enough international help reopening the strait.

And aside from this, our great ally in the region, Israel, is never going to let us out of this joint war and never going to ease up in Lebanon, per actions today and yesterday.

So, great and grand MOU we got there. Fucking worthless.

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As predicted we’re ceding ultimate control of the strait to Iran…ships passing must…

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 10:24:06, in reply to "Strait traffic dropped from an average of 100 ships a day to an average of 9…"
Boo Haighter

Receive permits, insurance and prior authorization from the Islamic Republic 48 hours in advance. Fees waived for the first 60 days.

https://www.firstpost.com/world/submit-transit-requests-48-hours-ahead-iran-issues-new-rules-for-hormuz-shipping-14024298.html/amp

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Blowing their leaders up did nothing? What has their nuclear program accomplished past three months

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:07:28, in reply to "I don’t think it did any of what you say."

besides promising to stop? This agreement only presents their people and alternative leaders a vision of a more prosperous future if this set of leaders don’t capitulate and we blow them up some more. Everyone except Jihadist crazies is for it. And we’ve demonstrated they have to be crazy to not take this deal.

This is how fucked up this world is.

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 13:27:40, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DZaMDFPt2Ow/

The world is fucked up because you’re in it. You should do something about that.*

Posted by BLMatters User icon on June 22, 2026, 4:15:45, in reply to "This is how fucked up this world is. "

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https://www.instagram.com/reels/DZaMDFPt2Ow/

Can you believe Bonnie and Clyde were machine-gunned to death?

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 13:40:51, in reply to "This is how fucked up this world is. "

Outrageous!

Neocons love it. I think it’s a disaster*

Posted by DouchieHowser User icon on June 17, 2026, 20:37:30, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

While the left's propoganda is nonstop on this, this really seems to be a disaster for Trump*

Posted by Xar User icon on June 17, 2026, 19:37:39, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

“An animal may be cunning and ferocious enough, but it takes a real man to tell a lie.”

It is a book whose last chapter or two has yet to be written.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 17, 2026, 19:43:12, in reply to "While the left's propoganda is nonstop on this, this really seems to be a disaster for Trump*"
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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

will they get the girl?*

Posted by Playoff Rondo User icon on June 18, 2026, 0:05:00, in reply to "It is a book whose last chapter or two has yet to be written.*"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

F ATL

I wasn't particularly happy about this.

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 15, 2026, 19:25:12, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"

But we didn't invade. That I would have been 100% against. But this wasn't at great cost. Meh.

We eliminated so many top leaders there. Why? It just sends a message. That's all we were doing.

I don't care if we bomb bad actors. I just don't want ground forces invading.

My concern is we shut down the strait to crash world economy and pushed Iran …

Posted by DouchieHowser User icon on June 17, 2026, 20:38:42, in reply to "I wasn't particularly happy about this. "

closer to Russia and China

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Iran were already very close to Russia and China. This didn't change anything on that front.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 9:55:04, in reply to "My concern is we shut down the strait to crash world economy and pushed Iran …"
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closer to Russia and China

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Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

It demonstrated that those two won’t fight the US just for the sake of fighting the US

Posted by groupguy User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:09:05, in reply to "Iran were already very close to Russia and China. This didn't change anything on that front.*"

and if they did there’s no evidence they’d do anything but get a lot of their shit blown up.

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A $300B reconstruction fund on top of, what, a couple hundred $B for the war?*

Posted by Potomac User icon on June 15, 2026, 20:40:14, in reply to "I wasn't particularly happy about this. "

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I believe that is an international fund not just from US

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 15, 2026, 21:13:57, in reply to "A $300B reconstruction fund on top of, what, a couple hundred $B for the war?*"

And according to the VP, only available after compliance.

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Read/heard pretty much the same thing.

Posted by osklister User icon on June 16, 2026, 12:21:57, in reply to "I believe that is an international fund not just from US"

Essentially money from Mid-East neighbors at this point; more or less trying to make everyone in that area (many countries in that area have been hit by missiles lately, I guess) a ""partner"" in ensuring peace.

Who knows where it will end up. But AFAIK, that $300bn is not coming from US taxpayers (per today's plan).

I just read that the 300bn comes from UAE and Qatar initially with...

Posted by haighter User icon on June 17, 2026, 18:36:49, in reply to "Read/heard pretty much the same thing."
Boo Haighter

...the US refunding them over the next few years.

So, essentially us avoiding having to DIRECTLY fund Iran and pay for it through a proxy.

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I'm not seeing that last part anywhere.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 17, 2026, 19:35:08, in reply to "I just read that the 300bn comes from UAE and Qatar initially with..."
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...the US refunding them over the next few years.

So, essentially us avoiding having to DIRECTLY fund Iran and pay for it through a proxy.

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Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Well, at the very least the US is buying Mid-east oil, which will fund $$ to invest in Iran.

Posted by osklister User icon on June 18, 2026, 9:13:58, in reply to "I'm not seeing that last part anywhere.*"

So at some level, you could say that we're funding this investment.

Could the various Middle Eastern countries use their funds in any of a zillion investments? Sure. Right now, they're choosing some that are in Iran.

Anyway, that's what I get out of it. On a different level, may be trying to get Iran out of an inward-focused theocracy and closer to a democracy; but that's JMHO, and I'm certainly no international diplomat.

The reasonable actors in the Middle East want peace and stability.

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 9:36:34, in reply to "Well, at the very least the US is buying Mid-east oil, which will fund $$ to invest in Iran. "
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And open, safe passage through the straits. And they have the money to pay for that if Iran will play ball.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Yep yep.

Posted by osklister User icon on June 18, 2026, 12:18:36, in reply to "The reasonable actors in the Middle East want peace and stability."

Getting an Iranian missile flung at them for no good reason can't be a plus.

Get a little, tiny bit closer to a "democracy" and maybe the overall craziness drops.

Also, marginally a plus (IMHO): better educated population. Of course, that may cut against the grain for a theocracy.

All of that will take generations. But this stuff can't hurt today.

Agreed. That's why I think it is far too early to render a final conclusion on this.

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 13:18:41, in reply to "Yep yep."
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If someone had predicted in 1975 that Vietnam would one day be an enthusiastic trading partner of the United States, everyone else in the room would have laughed.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Well, kinda good analogy-but did Viet Nam have a tangible asset to export?

Posted by osklister User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:18:05, in reply to "Agreed. That's why I think it is far too early to render a final conclusion on this."

AFAIK, Viet Nam imports a lot of raw material, uses cheap labor and transforms it into finished goods. Competitor? Maybe, better technology? Maaayybeee??

Meanwhile the Middle East overall has virtually no real assets and no overwhelming supply of labor: all they've got is oil. Wait for a tanker, fill it up, ship it out, get paid. World has been waiting for a new supply/means of energy since.... well, John D. Rockefeller days.

What will these $300bn worth of new investments create?? Who knows. What does say, Saudi Arabia have today?? Imaginative tourism?

I dunno. Someone has got a better idea than I have and is willing to take a chance here.

We're all driving BMWs and Mercedes Benz*

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 13:30:16, in reply to "Agreed. That's why I think it is far too early to render a final conclusion on this."

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If someone had predicted in 1975 that Vietnam would one day be an enthusiastic trading partner of the United States, everyone else in the room would have laughed.

Say buddy, my Bentley is at the Jiffy-Lube: can I borrow your Benz for the weekend? *

Posted by osklister User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:07:16, in reply to "We're all driving BMWs and Mercedes Benz* "

I'll fill the tank with gas and return it Monday morning, okthanksbye!!

Do you have any grey poupon?*

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 18:05:10, in reply to "Say buddy, my Bentley is at the Jiffy-Lube: can I borrow your Benz for the weekend? *"

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I'll fill the tank with gas and return it Monday morning, okthanksbye !!

Oooh, look at Mr Correct Spelling over there!

Posted by osklister User icon on June 18, 2026, 18:39:00, in reply to "Do you have any grey poupon?* "

You eat poop-on*

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 18:40:17, in reply to "Oooh, look at Mr Correct Spelling over there! "

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Money often trumps ideology.

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 13:51:00, in reply to "We're all driving BMWs and Mercedes Benz* "
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Admittedly, Iran is a tough customer. An unholy mix of religious fanaticism and secular authoritarianism.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

I think what happened was we decided to soften up the leadership

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 14:37:07, in reply to "Money often trumps ideology."

and the the people of Iran would rise up. There was some of it but not enough it hit critical mass. Once we realized they couldn't do it themselves, we were out. I'm fine with that. I do not want to commit troops to fight foreign wars. I have no issue with adding air support and long range bombings to help another country out.

In the end the only way to actually have a regime change is a method we have proven we haven't been able to enact since Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Goldwater would have won the Vietnam war. Johnson wanted to sell helicopters. But I digress.

I think Vietnam could have been won.

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 14:43:42, in reply to "I think what happened was we decided to soften up the leadership "
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Had the U.S. understood the realities of that form of guerilla warfare. But our overall military strategy was both haphazardly / ill-planned and horrible.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

They knew. Goldwater laid it all out. We needed to kill a whole lot of people

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 14:57:32, in reply to "I think Vietnam could have been won."

Including civilians. 2-3 million German civilians were killed in WWII. The only way to win in Vietnam was to obliterate at least a million of them.

Ladybird Johnson's family owned Bell Helicopter. He wanted that war to go on as long as possible.

I give it 5 days or less before israel attacks iran or lebanon again

Posted by villain User icon on June 15, 2026, 17:14:12, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"
Stupidhead

everyone knows this isn't over.

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

probably just another real jerk in life

Or less than 24 hours before Iran’s proxy army f*cks it up…

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 15, 2026, 19:18:37, in reply to "I give it 5 days or less before israel attacks iran or lebanon again"

Which has already happened since the IAF has been intercepting Hezbollah projectiles over the last 3 hours.

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everyone knows this isn't over.

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Tell that to Iran.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 15, 2026, 17:06:41, in reply to "So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing"
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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

all temporary; no regime change, no "unconditional surrender," etc.*

Posted by Potomac User icon on June 15, 2026, 21:00:55, in reply to "Tell that to Iran.*"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

No regime change? The regime that was in place at the start of this is dead.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 16, 2026, 7:19:13, in reply to "all temporary; no regime change, no "unconditional surrender," etc.*"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Pretty impressive tally here:

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 10:10:36, in reply to "No regime change? The regime that was in place at the start of this is dead.*"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_officials_killed_during_the_2026_Iran_war

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Crazy how many top leaders were eliminated btwn Iran and its proxies.

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 18, 2026, 10:22:42, in reply to "Pretty impressive tally here:"

But again, here we are with no real change and Trumps capitulation.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_officials_killed_during_the_2026_Iran_war

We do not have the resolve for regime change. We haven't since 1945.

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 13:29:21, in reply to "Crazy how many top leaders were eliminated btwn Iran and its proxies."

We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

Fine. It was still a massive L for the great surrenderer*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 18, 2026, 14:53:24, in reply to "We do not have the resolve for regime change. We haven't since 1945."

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We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

I don't think it's a massive L. It was plan B all along*

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 18, 2026, 14:59:20, in reply to "Fine. It was still a massive L for the great surrenderer*"

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We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

Plan B was to accomplish….nothing!?*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 18, 2026, 15:17:36, in reply to "I don't think it's a massive L. It was plan B all along* "

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We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

I'm not certain what you were realistically hoping for here.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 15:39:07, in reply to "Plan B was to accomplish….nothing!?*"
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We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

more than nothing?*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 18, 2026, 15:45:38, in reply to "I'm not certain what you were realistically hoping for here.*"

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We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

That's not an answer.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 18, 2026, 15:56:20, in reply to "more than nothing?*"
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We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

There was a lot to hope for at the beginning of the campaign...

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 19, 2026, 9:17:50, in reply to "That's not an answer.*"

Among them:
*eliminate the nuke program and ballistic missile program.
*free Iranians from the Mullah Regime.
*Sever the head of the snake of Iranian proxy armies terrorizing Israel and the world.

None of that happened. In fact, we're freeing up more money and economic relief that will undoubtedly make its way to Hezbollah, Hamas, and Yemen while accomplishing nothing. Meanwhile, the VP is cozying up to terrorists and berating our allies. Big freakin' L.

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We have tried it many times but quit because doing it was going to get very messy.

This was just a message being sent.

The regime leaders in place when this started are pretty much all dead.

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 19, 2026, 13:07:17, in reply to "There was a lot to hope for at the beginning of the campaign..."
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Thousands of their foot soldiers are dead. The Iranian armed forces have been decimated.

This war has cost Iran billions of dollars. Money which it will not recoup. The potential future loans for reconstruction will only come after full compliance with certain actions including the dismantling of the nuclear and ballistic programs.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

I thought both Vance and Trump were pretty clear that they could keep their ballistic program? *

Posted by haighter User icon on June 19, 2026, 13:22:01, in reply to "The regime leaders in place when this started are pretty much all dead."
Boo Haighter

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A smaller portion of self-defense missiles.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 19, 2026, 15:18:18, in reply to "I thought both Vance and Trump were pretty clear that they could keep their ballistic program? *"
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Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

The devil is in the details.*

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 19, 2026, 21:48:18, in reply to "A smaller portion of self-defense missiles.*"

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They can keep short and medium range regional ballistic missiles for self defense..

Posted by haighter User icon on June 20, 2026, 0:46:27, in reply to "The devil is in the details.* "
Boo Haighter

But cannot possess icbms that can reach out across the globe.

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I'm not pretending to know the devil. Keep that in mind.*

Posted by AceFrehley User icon on June 20, 2026, 0:57:33, in reply to "They can keep short and medium range regional ballistic missiles for self defense.."

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But cannot possess icbms that can reach out across the globe.

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^^new to the board, aren't ya?^^ *

Posted by osklister User icon on June 18, 2026, 16:20:36, in reply to "That's not an answer.*"

LOLOL

but the ideology remains*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 16, 2026, 10:48:04, in reply to "No regime change? The regime that was in place at the start of this is dead.*"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

As does the warning of what will happen of the new regime resembles the old one.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 16, 2026, 10:53:26, in reply to "but the ideology remains*"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Not sure they care. One just replaces the other*

Posted by OskeeWowWowDig User icon on June 16, 2026, 12:18:29, in reply to "As does the warning of what will happen of the new regime resembles the old one.*"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Then we occasionally keep doing this until they finally learn.*

Posted by Lexillini User icon on June 16, 2026, 12:25:10, in reply to "Not sure they care. One just replaces the other*"
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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

and if we don’t do this every few years it ends with armageddon *

Posted by Playoff Rondo User icon on June 17, 2026, 20:27:28, in reply to "Then we occasionally keep doing this until they finally learn.*"

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Great expense, great disruption. Started on Trump’s whim without concurrence and without a plan. Great, the strait is open. Well, it was before.

Who can defend this war?

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