deuce-ish: There was a lot to hope for at the beginning of the campaign...

So Iran war possibly ends having accomplished nothing - Potomac June 15, 2026, 16:58:55

Apparently Hezbollah/Israel have reached another ceasefire agreement. - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 11:33:30
- Apparently not at all and Iran is closing the Strait again. * - haighter Today, 11:33:23
  - Well, they don't last very long over there, do they??* - OskeeWowWowDig Today, 13:49:25
Do you really believe this? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 14:56:35
- Trump should not have started the war - to say PERFECTLY is absurd* - Potomac June 18, 2026, 16:35:47
  - Should have let Iran keep funding Hez and Houthis and try to build nukes while talking shit? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:39:57
    - And now they have $300b more to pour into Hamas, Hezbollah, and Houthis. Great job!* - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 9:13:24
      - So I haven't dug into the finer points of this, but my understanding is the funding - Figs Yesterday, 10:58:35
        
        But none of that is happening * - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 11:09:25
        
        None of what is happening? The $300B isn't coming from - Figs Yesterday, 11:12:06
        
        No…the stuff you said about “if the end result…” - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 11:18:56
        
        The amount of Iranian money Obama released to them is DWARFED by the amount... - haighter Yesterday, 11:26:06
        
        Except that we not giving them $300 billion. No one is.* - Lexillini Yesterday, 13:08:13
        
        Is it the 300 billion in foreign investment as opposed to 300 billion in cash... - haighter Yesterday, 13:20:45
        
        They are conditional loans. Which Iran may never qualify for.* - Lexillini Yesterday, 15:17:18
        
        I don't see anywhere that describe these as loans. The Iranians are not going to have to pay... - haighter Yesterday, 16:26:54
        
        It says the U.S. will assist with possible "financing". - Lexillini Yesterday, 18:59:32
        
        If it's 300 billion in foreign investment then that is very different. - AceFrehley Yesterday, 13:26:20
        
        Oh, absolutely. The $300b is an insane award for them* - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 11:32:12
        
        They are not being given $300 billion.* - Lexillini Yesterday, 13:08:47
        
        kind of makes you wonder about the motivations of someone claiming otherwise...* - arthurkirkland Yesterday, 16:15:28
        
        My motivation is not to free up $300b for the biggest sponsor of terrorism* - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 18:32:24
        
        Kinda makes me wonder why you don't still wait in the car. * - haighter Yesterday, 16:27:51
        
        (no idea)* - arthurkirkland Today, 21:28:20
        
        A flow from existing despots to existing despots is absolutely going to happen... - haighter Yesterday, 11:18:29
      - And indirectly (and more importantly) all US sanctions on Iranian oil annd banking are suspended. * - haighter Yesterday, 10:25:32
        
        Though apparently the French of all people will veto removing sanctions. - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 11:10:54
- I don’t think it did any of what you say. - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 15:21:04
  - I think we put a significant dent in their nuclear program* - WesMantooth June 18, 2026, 17:28:36
    - I think we put a significant dent on OUR military stockpiles...but I'm sure if I owned stock... - haighter June 18, 2026, 17:46:54
      - here's a little secret - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 18:08:02
  - zero credit for opening strait that was open before Trump started the war* - Potomac June 18, 2026, 16:34:56
    - If I kill your dad because he’s a killer, break your windows and say be good, and my kids can walk - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:41:38
      - Depends...are your kids able to walk past my house because of what you did or because I let them... - haighter June 18, 2026, 17:12:51
        
        Are you into killing kids? Your dad was, but are you? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 19:45:51
        
        All I’m saying is in your analogy, Iran proved they could keep your kids… - haighter June 18, 2026, 20:18:23
        
        We always thought they could close the straight- except they didn’t. Over 1000 ships went through - groupguy June 18, 2026, 22:04:29
        
        Strait traffic dropped from an average of 100 ships a day to an average of 9… - haighter Yesterday, 8:53:30
        
        As predicted we’re ceding ultimate control of the strait to Iran…ships passing must… - haighter Yesterday, 10:24:06
  - Blowing their leaders up did nothing? What has their nuclear program accomplished past three months - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:07:28
This is how fucked up this world is. - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 13:27:40
- Can you believe Bonnie and Clyde were machine-gunned to death? - groupguy June 18, 2026, 13:40:51
Neocons love it. I think it’s a disaster* - DouchieHowser June 17, 2026, 20:37:30
While the left's propoganda is nonstop on this, this really seems to be a disaster for Trump* - Xar June 17, 2026, 19:37:39
- It is a book whose last chapter or two has yet to be written.* - Lexillini June 17, 2026, 19:43:12
  - will they get the girl?* - Playoff Rondo June 18, 2026, 0:05:00
I wasn't particularly happy about this. - AceFrehley June 15, 2026, 19:25:12
- My concern is we shut down the strait to crash world economy and pushed Iran … - DouchieHowser June 17, 2026, 20:38:42
  - Iran were already very close to Russia and China. This didn't change anything on that front.* - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 9:55:04
    - It demonstrated that those two won’t fight the US just for the sake of fighting the US - groupguy June 18, 2026, 16:09:05
- A $300B reconstruction fund on top of, what, a couple hundred $B for the war?* - Potomac June 15, 2026, 20:40:14
  - I believe that is an international fund not just from US - OskeeWowWowDig June 15, 2026, 21:13:57
    - Read/heard pretty much the same thing. - osklister June 16, 2026, 12:21:57
      - I just read that the 300bn comes from UAE and Qatar initially with... - haighter June 17, 2026, 18:36:49
        
        I'm not seeing that last part anywhere.* - Lexillini June 17, 2026, 19:35:08
        
        Well, at the very least the US is buying Mid-east oil, which will fund $$ to invest in Iran. - osklister June 18, 2026, 9:13:58
        
        The reasonable actors in the Middle East want peace and stability. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 9:36:34
        
        Yep yep. - osklister June 18, 2026, 12:18:36
        
        Agreed. That's why I think it is far too early to render a final conclusion on this. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 13:18:41
        
        Well, kinda good analogy-but did Viet Nam have a tangible asset to export? - osklister June 18, 2026, 16:18:05
        
        We're all driving BMWs and Mercedes Benz* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 13:30:16
        
        Say buddy, my Bentley is at the Jiffy-Lube: can I borrow your Benz for the weekend? * - osklister June 18, 2026, 16:07:16
        
        Do you have any grey poupon?* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 18:05:10
        
        Oooh, look at Mr Correct Spelling over there! - osklister June 18, 2026, 18:39:00
        
        You eat poop-on* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 18:40:17
        
        Money often trumps ideology. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 13:51:00
        
        I think what happened was we decided to soften up the leadership - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 14:37:07
        
        I think Vietnam could have been won. - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 14:43:42
        
        They knew. Goldwater laid it all out. We needed to kill a whole lot of people - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 14:57:32
I give it 5 days or less before israel attacks iran or lebanon again - villain June 15, 2026, 17:14:12
- Or less than 24 hours before Iran’s proxy army f*cks it up… - OskeeWowWowDig June 15, 2026, 19:18:37
Tell that to Iran.* - Lexillini June 15, 2026, 17:06:41
- all temporary; no regime change, no "unconditional surrender," etc.* - Potomac June 15, 2026, 21:00:55
  - No regime change? The regime that was in place at the start of this is dead.* - Lexillini June 16, 2026, 7:19:13
    - Pretty impressive tally here: - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 10:10:36
      - Crazy how many top leaders were eliminated btwn Iran and its proxies. - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 10:22:42
        
        We do not have the resolve for regime change. We haven't since 1945. - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 13:29:21
        
        Fine. It was still a massive L for the great surrenderer* - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 14:53:24
        
        I don't think it's a massive L. It was plan B all along* - AceFrehley June 18, 2026, 14:59:20
        
        Plan B was to accomplish….nothing!?* - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 15:17:36
        
        I'm not certain what you were realistically hoping for here.* - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 15:39:07
        
        more than nothing?* - OskeeWowWowDig June 18, 2026, 15:45:38
        
        That's not an answer.* - Lexillini June 18, 2026, 15:56:20
        
        There was a lot to hope for at the beginning of the campaign... - OskeeWowWowDig Yesterday, 9:17:50
        
        The regime leaders in place when this started are pretty much all dead. - Lexillini Yesterday, 13:07:17
        
        I thought both Vance and Trump were pretty clear that they could keep their ballistic program? * - haighter Yesterday, 13:22:01
        
        A smaller portion of self-defense missiles.* - Lexillini Yesterday, 15:18:18
        
        The devil is in the details.* - AceFrehley Yesterday, 21:48:18
        
        They can keep short and medium range regional ballistic missiles for self defense.. - haighter Today, 0:46:27
        
        I'm not pretending to know the devil. Keep that in mind.* - AceFrehley Today, 0:57:33
        
        ^^new to the board, aren't ya?^^ * - osklister June 18, 2026, 16:20:36
    - but the ideology remains* - OskeeWowWowDig June 16, 2026, 10:48:04
      - As does the warning of what will happen of the new regime resembles the old one.* - Lexillini June 16, 2026, 10:53:26
        
        Not sure they care. One just replaces the other* - OskeeWowWowDig June 16, 2026, 12:18:29
        
        Then we occasionally keep doing this until they finally learn.* - Lexillini June 16, 2026, 12:25:10
        
        and if we don’t do this every few years it ends with armageddon * - Playoff Rondo June 17, 2026, 20:27:28

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