Ned, I referred another board member to Woodcock Hill last winter and he and his wife had a great time and thought they were great. Strip and clean, well I'll side with the other M.D. (RevdocDrew) and concur with the cleaning. Speaking for myself and my OB-Gyn practice-USN 30 years- I never charged for anything and now I am equally aware of my customer's wishes/financial state! Best, Dr. BILL ps If you wish to chat about your 5-E, work, etc. I'm in the shop M-F 0800-1700 252-637-1287 EDT.