(Cont'd)
AS FAR AS REVELATION 21 AND 2 PETER 3:10 GO , I SEE THIS AS A POSSIBLE REFERENCE TO THE NEXT GREAT 'CATASTOPHY".
MAYBE LIKE THE METEOR THAT CAUSED THE ICE AGE THAT KILLED THE DINOSAURS.
AFTER WHICH THERE WILL BE A "NEW GENESIS."
THEN AT THAT TIME , , A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH SHALL BE CREATED.
AT LEAST THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. OF COURSE THEIR IS ALL WAYS ROOM FOR ENDLESS SPECULATION AND DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
*** End reply at 9-7-2008 10:26 by Blinky
*Note, it was the custom of the blogger Marc Anthony a.k.a. Blinky to post in ALL CAPS. I know this for many uncomfortable, but for archive Sake, I have left his text in all Caps as it was originally posted.
- Steven Benjamin January 4, 2013
Posted by Steven Benjamin (Billy Steven Crider) on September 21, 2008, 2:55 am, in reply to "Re: (3) The Correlation of Zecheriah 14 to Revelations 21/"NEW JERUSALEM""
Blinky,
I have examined the very passages you offer here, and upon closer examination they disagree with the point you try to make. That you offer seems to allude to the blending of doctrines in effort to form an understanding. While you finish by offering such is your understanding and there is always room for endless speculation and different opinions, such is true enough, but at some point one occasionally runs into that which is undeniable, the truth. And in so doing, speculation ends. You seem very familiar with mainstream doctrines of prophetic teaching, and very eager to understand how it all fits together. Your zeal is commendable, and the fact that you recognize the importance of the events of 1993 in Waco, and the person and ministry of David Koresh as inspired by God indicates you are not totally blinded by the same mainstream doctrines of prophecy.
I should point to you however, that while your conversation seeks to take a commanding tone, you end by speaking of speculation and just prior offer a statement filled with speculation to sum up your argument to my findings in this matter:
"AS FAR AS REVELATION 21 AND 2 PETER 3:10 GO , I SEE THIS AS A POSSIBLE REFERENCE TO THE NEXT GREAT 'CATASTOPHY".
Often, even in the more devout denominations in the churches of the world, a trait unique to those most zealous in the same congregations is a love for prophecy. Unfortunately, for many, they never venture outside their denomination to glimpse the actual truth of scriptures teachings on prophecy, and are confined to what is shimmers of the grand picture of prophetic truth, still magnanimous in their positions, more than many in those congregations are willing to deal with.
IN your reply here you note two passages to offer that those who make sacrifices in Zechariah 14, will do so in the New Jerusalem. I went through study into the matter to address to you already, and in so doing, your reply, dismisses such to my perhaps failing to understand the presence of the doctrine of the Millennial Reign, quite common in Pre-Trib Rapture groups, including the Independent Fundamental Baptists. Such teaches a timeframe in which people who survive the tragic timeframe of tribulation will live under the reign of Christ in his Kingdom for 1000 years, if they accept him as Savior. Such also teaches that if they do not, they will die at 100 years old.
You offer that perhaps Zechariah 14 is occurring before the 1000 year Millennial Reign, and that the timeframe of Revelations 21 occurs after the Millennial reign. Well aside from the obvious that This city would have to come down, leave and come back again, or either God would establish his Kingdom, lose it, and win it again to fit into the logic of your assessment, the very passages you cite in Isaiah, state something totally opposite to your position that Sacrifices will be made in the New Jerusalem. This is Simply Not So, and Scripture notes it, the very scripture you used to support such a statement. Isaiah 65, points to a timeframe, which is commonly thought to be During that 1000 year Millennial Reign by the common teachings of such doctrine. Indicated specifically by verses 18 thru 25. Now while verses 16 and 17, seem to coincide with Revelations 21, which you note to be "After the 1000 year reign." My explanation offers that this event of Revelations 21, correlates to Zecheriah 14 to be the same timeframe, the same city.
It was Isaiah 16 which you chose to quote:
AND AGAIN , ISAIAH 65:17 STATES THAT LORD JEHOVAH SHALL "CREATE A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH , AND THE FORMER THINGS SHALL NOT BE REMEMBERED."
... Noting well the correlation to Revelations 21.
But what of Isaiah 65 and verses 20 and 25...does not verse 20 indicate an event commonly taught to occur during the 1000 year Reign of Christ by that doctrine?
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that
hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the
sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
I am well familiar with the doctrine of the Millennial Reign. It was taught in the church of my youth, it was taught at the Bible College I attended in the late 1980's. The event of Isaiah 65:20 is not from the old Genesis, nor some new, it is that which is commonly alluded to that doctrine of the Millennial Reign. This passage in Isaiah 65, like Zechariah 14, and Revelations 21, is discussion of the establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth. The Chronology of the doctrine you cite, would place as occurring before the event you note to occur in Isaiah 65:17. And in Isaiah 65:20, we clearly see an event from that same teaching you cite, occurring after the establishment of the New Jerusalem. So how then, is an event which is noted to occur during the timeframe of the 1000 year Millennial Reign doctrine, which by chronology of the same teaching, occurs before the creation of a New Heavens and Earth, then in scripture actually occurring after such event? One or the other is wrong...the teaching, or the scriptures...I side with scripture on this.
Now, as to Sacrifice, in the New Jerusalem, and such as it applies to Isaiah 65. There will be no sacrifice in that Holy Mountain, none. This dictated by Isaiah 65:25
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards,
and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat:
for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed
of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and
dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
(CONT'd NEXT POST)
Message Thread | This response ↓
« Back to index