in the last statement of the Introductory Post, is a link to an archive of the original version of this study placed in 2008. The last statement cites that archive may be a bit more detailed. THis "MAY" have been true of that archive in 2008, but is no longer true at this time. This version, placed now, in the AM hours of the Roman January 5th, 2013, is the most detailed version of this study. We go now to the 1st part of the study:
"And I saw A city Coming Down..."
A Reply to Blinky: The Correlation of Zecheriah 14 to Revelations 21/"NEW JERUSALEM"
Originally Posted by Steven "Benjamin" (Billy Steven Crider) on September 7, 2008, 2:54 am
on the Mt. Carmel Discussion Board at: http://members5.boardhost.com/mtcarmel/msg/1220774090.html
Blinky,
nevermind, I may email you of it later, but for now, I don't think it needs to be addressed here. I will re-read Zecheriah 14, and note Clive in Speaking on the City on Zion, called it the New Jerusalem, and Contended with me when I offered there is no temple there. He told me that I was not referencing the new Jerusalem, but the new earth, the city in Revelations 21, is indeed called THE NEW JERUSALEM, but I did not contend the point further with Clive at the Sabbath study.
Clive noted that the City of The New Jerusalem will come down to rest on Mt Zion, as per Zecheriah, either there are two cities, or that city will leave and return at a time when there is no temple in it, or there never was a temple in it, I will have to research the matter. It is entirely possible there is an alter and no temple. I can only concede at this point that I need to study the matter out, But I am certain of what Revelations 21 offers of the City, and it states quite plainly there is no temple there.
I consider now the Genesis Study, and that there are TWO SEPARATE CREATION ACCOUNTS, ....this is not two tellings of the same event, this is TWO Individual, unique, although highly similiar events.
“Follow the bird,”
...and the day of his creation...you will see this plainly when comparing the details.
The city in the land of Eden, in Genesis 2, is strikingly similiar to that of the New Jerusalem in Revelations 21. Both have a tree of life, both have a river proceeding from them, they may well be the same city.
Okay...Blinky, I ended up studying this matter out to address your concerns here, just finished it as a matter of fact, likewise now it seems I can address the conversation I began with Clive in April. And it turns out, the matter is as I said it was, both to you here on this board today, and to Clive in April. Here is the answers to the issues you posed in your post here:
http://members5.boardhost.com/mtcarmel/msg/1220744465.html
In which you allude that Zecheriah indicates a temple in the New Jerusalem. I assure you, there is not, and by the time you finish this post, hopefully it will become clearer. I do see however, how you took the passage of Zecheriah 14 into the context in which you did, again, I was noting a broader context as well, to include the references to the city in Revealations 21.
The City and Earth in Revelations 21, have no night, no day....but they have light, THE LIGHT is THE LIGHT OF GOD, much like the first 3 days of Genesis 1, before the fourth day when the Sun and the Moon and the Stars are created.
I have delved into this much more in detail with Wendi in personal studies than here on this Board, but I allude that Genesis 2 the world, is at the same place as Revelations 21, with no sea, In Genesis one, the creator there is Christ, after having been given his new Kingdom. The counsel of "Let Us Create Man in Our Image" is the Father/Mother counsel to Christ, guiding him, as in Revelations 21, The alpha and omega makes a declaration..."BEHOLD, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW" now he has the power to make green men with antennas, and Women with 4 arms...whatever he wants, He is after all sitting on the throne, and God, well, he is dwelling with Men at that timeframe. The counsel is from one(s) with experience to one newly performing a task.
Something that is often overlooked in Revelations, the kingdoms of this world, are not given to single individual...they are given to TWO individuals....to "OUR LORD AND HIS CHRIST"
to Our Lord, and “His annointed one”....
There is a mystery here, I can show you, but not in a single post, nor study in this timeframe for that matter.
It is the Mystery of the Generations of God, contained within the Generations of the Heavens and the earth. Generations being Plural.
Note that the world in Genesis 2, is not created in 7 days, but rather in a SINGLE DAY. And contained in that single day, is the seven day creation.
It has been a while since I have addressed this with anyone, but Revelations 21, is not THE END...it is indeed THE BEGINNING.
As to feast days:
"According to Deut 16:16, “three times a year all your males shall appear before the Lord your God”, the three occasions being the three major feasts of Passover (Luke 22:1), Pentecost (Acts 2:1) and Tabernacles. Tabernacles was the major festival in the Temple era following Pentecost and was often known simply as “the Feast” (for example 1Kgs 8:2; Ezek 45:25; Neh 8:14; and commonly in the Talmud). Josephus calls it “the holiest and greatest feast” (Ant 8.100)." (1)
"Sukkoth, or The Feast of Tabernacles, was celebrated on the 15th of Tishri, the seventh month, as a “feast of the Lord” to give thanks for the produce of the land. On the first day of this eight-day festival, pilgrims brought the ripened tree fruit to the Temple. Lev 23:40 commands: “You shall take on the first day the fruit of goodly trees (LXX karpo.n xu,lou w`rai/on), branches of palm trees, and boughs of leafy trees, and willows of the brook; and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God seven days”. (1)
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