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So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 4:20 pm

I think the left has convince a large portion of their side that Trump will be a dictator and even acts like Hitler

Now no one on the right believes it which is understandable.

So let’s talk about the small amount of undecided.

Will it work for Harris/Walz to keep calling Trump a faccist and , a wanna be dictator etc or, should she try to attract people through a policy agenda.

As is the case on this site, you either love or hate Trump so why waste her energy on name calling?

I think her campaign team wants the focus on issues.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 5:04 pm, in reply to "So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opi - Harris has 82 pages of policy plans online and she has talked about them any chance she gets. The Right may not like them and may say they won't get done, but that can be said with any candidates policy plans. The Right keeps saying she has no plans and that just not true.

I think Harris would be remiss if she did not call Trump out for his rhetoric and his behavior. People can see examples of the kind of names assigned to him by the Left. I don't think anyone could watch a number of his speeches and not see what a liar he is unless they are in denial.

Harris has to fight fire with fire to a certain extent.

I've always based my opinions of Trump on what he says and what he does, I may read something from someone on the Left that leads me to something new he's said or done, but for the most part Trump is his own worst enemy.

Why anyone in his campaign thought it was a good idea to insult Puerto Ricans, all Latinos, and some Black folks in a closing argument, I don't understand.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 5:33 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I’ve talked to 3 Puerto Ricans online and they are not upset. They hope it brings some attention to the trash and lack of waste programs.

You shouldn’t keep stuff like this hidden.

I speak American English, so my pronunciation sounds like, “I” RAN and “I” RACK. Carte blanche

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 5:44 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

woohoo- 3 Puerto Ricans, did you ask how helpful they thought it was when Trump was throwing out paper towels or how Trump officials witheld relief funds?

Did you talk to any Black people online to see how they felt about the watermelon joke?

Talk to any Latinos about the crude comments about their birth control methods?

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 5:46 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Harris has flip-flopped on virtually everything of importance except baby killing.

Instead of wasting time with the usual Trump is a racist, Trump is a Nazi, why not promote your candidate?

They will change tactics in 28, that's when Vance is Hitler the Nazi, and the racist. OMG, he's even worse than Trump, they will scream, you know damn well it is true.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 5:48 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Seriously Soccer, what the heck is wrong with your thinking. All of your complaints about Trumps character doesn’t mean crap when it comes to war. Harris can’t handle the problems coming. In one year Iran will have nuclear capability. They already have 4 facilities. She can’t deal with Russia, Putin will crush her. She has no skill set. All of her accomplishments and appointments were not earned, but given to her by an old powerful Democrat.

I speak American English, so my pronunciation sounds like, “I” RAN and “I” RACK. Carte blanche

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 5:48 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I speak American English, so my pronunciation sounds like, “I” RAN and “I” RACK. Carte blanche

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 6:11 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Blu and Joe - can't the 2 of you let Opinionated ask a question in peace without chiming in. Of course, there's nothing stopping you.

Joe - are you afraid Opi might agree with anything I've said and hurt your feelings. Are you so insecure with your beliefs that you need to police Opi's comments?

Blu - as usual you completely deflect and with a bunch of unsubstantiated bullsh*t.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I’m not deflecting, I’m trying to make you snap out of whatever you are in. I’m not playing partisan, I’m freaking serious.

I speak American English, so my pronunciation sounds like, “I” RAN and “I” RACK. Carte blanche

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 6:56 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I don't need to be snapped out of anything Blu, especially not by you. Now, shush... we're watching Kamala Harris speaking in front of her new home come January.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 7:48 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

The point remains, what is the path to capture the undecided voter?

It's the most important group in the country right now.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 7:54 pm, in reply to "So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opie,

Harris has talked about her policy many times. I think most voters have heard her. She also has many pages on her web site.

I do think that she needs to respond to Trumps statements and words. He calls democrats "the enemy from within" he has said he thinks the army should be used against Americans own people. He heaps praise on dictators. He has even said he will be a dictator from day one. He has told people to go out and vote "just this one time, and you will never have to vote again" " We will fix it, we will fix it so good."

These are his own words. Do you think for one second that if Harris made those remarks that the right would give her a pass?

I have said it many times, Trump is his own worse enemy.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 7:59 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

At this point, anyone claiming to be undecided is just a Democrat who doesn't want to admit it.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 8:00 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opie,

I do not think there is a clear path to capture those votes.

Everyone who votes, cast their ballot for whatever issue or issues they care about.

I do think the election will be close.We will all know soon.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 8:10 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

It's funny how people hear bits and pieces of things, mostly just the parts they want to hear, and other things they don't want to hear, they don't hear a peep. The dictator on day one line couldn't possibly be any more disingenuous, since he said he would be that for one day jokingly. I get it though, things are not looking great for this woman who got to where she's at by spending a lot of time on her knees and without winning even one single vote, so thus the lies, the Hitler talk, and the usual BS.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 8:31 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I think most voters have heard her. She also has many pages on her web site

The only policy she has been consistent on is abortion.

Fracking: Flipped
Economy: Trying to distance from Joe
Border: Huge flip

You're right, we'll all know by this time next Wednesday (hopefully)

I keep looking at the data from 2016 and thinking we may see similar results. I didn't like Hillary but she was a much stronger, politically wiser and more experienced in foreign policy and she still got beat.

Of course she didn't have the Obamas right off the bat like Kamala has.

Here's the thing. Guys like me on either side will wake up the next day and nothing will change. We'll be financially comfortable. We may be dead before the border crisis costs us a major terror attack and our daughters are pro-life for the most part.

Business as usual. I'm not sure if Kamala loses if her followers can go on. They seem so vulnerable.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 8:35 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Trump supporters, once called deplorables by Hillary are now being called garbage by Biden. I wish they would make up their minds.

Sticks and stones? LOL!

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 8:50 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Deplorable Garbage Nazis, bridge them.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 8:52 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Compared to Kamala, Hitlery is Margaret Thatcher.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 8:59 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

If you ever wanted solid proof that leftist hack machines like Politico are, in fact, arms of the Democrat Party, look no further than their reporting of Joe Biden slandering Donald Trump supporters as "garbage."

While the rest of the world heard exactly what Biden said, Politico's Jonathan Lemire, who's also a regular on MSNBC, deliberately misled readers into thinking the president said "the only garbage" was the "hatred" displayed by Trump supporters.

(Oh man these people.)

Hell, I don't even care, it's just how they can say and do as they damn well please, and you might get half a dozen outlets reporting it, but let Trump or one of his people try that.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 9:39 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opi- - she has new policies in addition to abortion etc. and I don't think "flipping" is necessarily negative, variables change.. evolving on an issue is not a negative.

Trump harps on "are you better off today than you were 4 years ago" -- the answer for us is Yes, we are, pay increases, promotions, a new home. Higher prices on groceries do hit the budget harder than they used to, but I don't see either candidate bringing those down anytime soon if at all. Unlike gas, once they go up, it's unlikely they will go down. Food manufacturers have competitive intelligence teams that track everything the competition does and you can bet if one takes a price increase, the others will follow or downsize the product.

If Harris loses we will also go on. I don't trust anything Trump says or does and if he even implements only portions of Project 2025. I don't think Trump is fit to lead our country.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 10:23 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Isn't in funny how MAGA makes and excuse for Trump saying he would be dictator. Later he cleaned it up by saying he was joking.

When Biden explained what he meant when he called Trumpers garbage...it becomes a media plot to cover for Biden....Joe you certainly see things from a narrow mind..

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 10:24 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

When a person changes their position because they have studied the issues and can admit they were wrong, they are on the right track.

When a person changes their views to pander to an audience, they are weak and unbelievable.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 10:35 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opie,

If Trump should win. I will go on.

I do think if he should win, we will have four years of a dysfunctional government.

He will at least attempt to disregard the Constitution and expect Congress to do the same. There is no way he is fit to be President.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 10:46 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

She changes her policies about as much as she changes her accent.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 10:50 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I know you will. The ugly, screaming girl in the stocking cap and the coke bottle glasses won't. LOL

Hey, just think though MG, Trump may still go to jail after he wins. Then Vance would be President and could pardon Trump. We all win.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 11:08 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opi- - I don't think she was pandering, other than to make it clear that she had not been in favor of banning fracking since 2020 when she joined the Biden ticket... and she offered this explanation with a Pittsburgh news station:

"I will not ban fracking. I did not as vice president. In fact, I cast the tie-breaking vote to open up more fracking leases," Harris said. "And my perspective on this is grounded in a number of things, including that we don't have to ban fracking to do the work that we can do to also invest in a clean energy economy.

Good enough for me.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 29, 2024, 11:14 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opi- - I thought it was determined that Trump could serve his term in jail and I could totally see that, because he's not giving up power to JD just because he's sent to Rykers. I also could see him clanking around the Oval Office with an ankle bracelet on. I'm sure he would demand a gold one.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 8:34 am, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

"I will not ban fracking. I have not banned fracking as vice president of the United States. And, in fact, I was the tie-breaking vote on the Inflation Reduction Act, which opened new leases for fracking," Harris said Tuesday.

Ha, she had to because her boss signed the bill. It’s that simple. Plus, they needed the money, leases are the main sources of funding for the government.

How far do you think she would get running on a platform to stop production of oil and gas?

Environmental groups are still supporting her, so that tells me she will turn back to her base once in power.

I speak American English, so my pronunciation sounds like, “I” RAN and “I” RACK. Carte blanche

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Rootsniners <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Rootsniners' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 8:47 am, in reply to "So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

IMO, The only Republican voters still on the fence for Trump/Vance are most likely the Nicki Hailey voting base.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 9:23 am, in reply to "So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

That would all be fine to call Harris to task if Trump never spouted off or hurled insults, but Kamala makes one observation and people want to crucify her.

Trump has made the comments in adoration of dictators, even wishing he had the same powers and able to bypass inconvenient things such as the Constitution and rule or law. What he has said about his opposition, or others who oppose him - as 'the enemy within'. That is scary rhetoric indeed.

I would always try to keep the word Hitler out of anything if it were me, no matter what side I supported. But when a 'leader' wants to crush the opposition from within, he's in the company of some of the darkest pages of World History.

There is just no plausible case for Trump taking over the White House; he shouldn't have even been given the Republican nomination. It's all on the voter why they would choose anything other than good governance. What Trump appeals to in a person is not a desire for good governance.

There could be many reasons, and I'm not going to posit the reasons why. But support for Trump is all in the psyche of the voter.

Everything I said in my post above. And.... Foxtrot Delta Tango

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 9:28 am, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Exactly, people who served in his administration thought he was a disaster.

What makes anyone think it will be different in 2024.

Case in point, here are the 10 ways the Trump administration was a disaster then (and will be again.) Do you think the host can stop at 10?

We'll just have to see...

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Everything I said in my post above. And.... Foxtrot Delta Tango

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 12:31 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Very well said 3Dee

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 1:38 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

he shouldn't have even been given the Republican nomination

He's not the one that was given his party nomination old friend. He beat several candidates including my favorite Ms. Haley.

Harris on the other hand was given her spot on the ballot by taking out her boss in an undercover and quiet coup.

Had there been a realistic primary process, Kamala would not be on the ticket.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 2:33 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Exactly, only one of these candidates was given anything and it wasn't Trump. They tossed Biden aside like garbage and brought this sorry excuse of a replacement into the fold. She was handed the nomination.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 3:47 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

It cracks me up... Republicans never shut up about how unqualified Biden was and how he was in the throws of dementia. The people that voted for him in the primaries didn't see that in him or feel that way. When it became apparent at the debate that he was struggling with memory, speaking, etc, it was clear he couldn't handle a campaign and truly give Dems the representation they wanted.

Harris is Vice President, had Biden stepped down or died she would be President. The electors that voted for Biden-Harris, voted for Harris in the end.

This was something that never happened before and there was not time to rerun a complete set of primaries. The convention was held and she won the nomination. Get over it.

I'm sure Trump and MAGA folks would have loved to see Trump run against Biden and they are bitter that he was replaced by someone who just may be the first Black women in the White House.

I would have loved to see someone other than Trump run, but I don't get to decide that. We picked our candidate and I'm very happy with the choice.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 4:35 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I'm sure Trump and MAGA folks would have loved to see Trump run against Biden and they are bitter that he was replaced by someone who just may be the first Black women in the White House.

Did you just try to play the race card? I think Biden would have had just as good of a chance against Trump.

It's not so much that she's the candidate due to circumstance. It's the fact that she along with Barack, Nancy, Chuck and all the other dem power brokers knew for a long time that Biden was mentally failing. Personally, I think she's one of the weakest candidates on that side of the ticket since Mondale and we all know what happened to him.

Come on Nov 5th. Let's get this over with.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 5:09 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

No Opi - no intent to play the race card here, honestly... just my way of saying she has a good chance of winning. If anything I threw the fact that she was Black as a dig for Blu who would love to swab Kamala's cheek and do her own DNA tests on her, lol.

After that debate, I don't think Biden would have had near the chance of winning. It shocked people that had faith in him and many Democrats wanted him to step down, myself included. If he had stayed in the race, it would have focused on that debate and how unfit he was for office. You had people who were not satisfied with either candidates because of their age.

You saw how energized the Dems were when he stepped down and she took his place. She may not be running if a traditional primary was run, but the circumstances were what they were.

We don't know that Dem leadership knew he was failing.. I'm sure some saw bad days, but we all saw good days too. If he was like he was in the debate on a regular basis, I think they would have intervened sooner... why wouldn't they? The goal is to win the election.

His State of the Union Address was very strong and I don't buy that they had him drugged or any of the other stupid reasons people gave.

It's going to be a roll coaster ride on the 5th I believe, I just hope we have some solid results within a day or two at most. I have early morning meetings on the 6th, but I'll be watching into the weee hours and just try to be alert.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Rootsniners <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Rootsniners' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 6:37 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Your lying to yourself if you cannot admit that this mans mental faculties were in decline way before any debate happened. Everyone wants to point to the debate as “The Date” that all of the sudden, out of nowhere he’s having difficulties. This guy was stumbling, tripping, and falling all over the place, losing his train of thought mid-conversation. Joe was long gone and Nancy and crew knew it as we all did way before any debate. After that debacle of a debate they could no longer hide him, in their minds Joe was dead and Kamala was President.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 6:59 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

We don't know that Dem leadership knew he was failing.

That's the only point I will argue in your post. If you have ever been near a patient with dementia or Alzheimer, you know there are no good days. It's a slow journey to the end of your life.

It may work for my aunt Jenny but not for the POTUS. And I do think those closest to him either knew or were just blind and stupid to think he was anywhere near 100%. Like any family, it's hard to watch the decline and to admit the normalcy is gone. The debate would have been the signal in normal life to start looking for an assisted care center.

But, that's water under the bridge now. I too hope we'll know a result by no later than late night November 7 but I believe there's at least one state that doesn't even start counting until the next morning.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 7:00 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Spot on Roots. Denial, denial, denial. The man was traveling down a dark road and it's sad his family allowed it to go on so long.

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Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

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Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 7:07 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

What would be the motive for that Roots?

He's 81 years old, stumbling, tripping, and falling at that age doesn't mean you aren't of sound mind. There have been plenty of clips of Trump slurring his words and meandering off into a topic unrelated to what he was talking about. He's not much younger than Biden.

I'm not lying to myself about anything. Neither you are I know how long he had been having bad days.

Now, tell me, what would the Dems have to gain from purposely trying to run someone that they felt was failing so badly? If anything, it would have benefited Trump.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 7:07 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Opi - fill me in, like I asked Roots, what would be the motive for that?

Dont you all love Trumps garbage truck??

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 7:10 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

They wanted to slide him through because he was easy to manipulate. If they didn't know he was compromised that's even worse than lying about it.

Trump should leave the vest on until November 6.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: Dont you all love Trumps garbage truck??

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 7:29 pm, in reply to "Dont you all love Trumps garbage truck??"

Joe- that answer makes absolutely no sense, lol. I'm not sure what it is, but I'm sure there's some conspiracy theory behind that.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 7:33 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I think, until that debate, they thought they could prop him up on the heels of the SOTU performance. They more than likely figured the hate for Trump and skepticism about his future still made Biden electable.

After the debate, there was no more hiding. Aunt Jenny walked out of the bathroom stark naked at the family Christmas party and there were no more secret.

Just my opinion.

Promises Made, Promises Kept!
Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

Drill Baby Drill

Re: Dont you all love Trumps garbage truck??

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 7:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Dont you all love Trumps garbage truck??"

They knew Biden's mind was gone all along, but lied about it until they saw his election chances were dwindling away. That was the only indicator they gave a damn about. I am not sure what is so difficult to understand. They wanted to slide him through, but they decided the risk was too high once covering for him became too tedious.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Rootsniners <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Rootsniners' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 8:13 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Love the Aunt Jenny bit, hilarious! I agree, they knew he was toast and hid his ass at the beach trying to run the clock out leaving literally no time for a Primary in the event they have to move old Joe out to pasture. Then the debate happens and once again Aunt Jenny shows up (love that) and at that point old Joe is officially declared incompetent and dead to them, magically because Kamala was on the ticket and with no time left for a primary, she by default becomes their candidate.

"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 8:26 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

“ Harris is Vice President, had Biden stepped down or died she would be President. The electors that voted for Biden-Harris, voted for Harris in the end.

Being Vice President is not a contracted position to slide into the Presidency, only upon death or resignation.

They had 7 or 8 alternates, Shapiro being one.

This stunt denied voters of a major political party to nominate a preferred candidate.

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Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 8:27 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Thanks for the feedback guys, but honestly, I still don't see the upside for the Dems to purposely ignore it vs. have him step down earlier. He truly believed he was the only one who could beat Trump and he probably had others convinced as well, until that debate.

Re: Dont you all love Trumps garbage truck??

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 8:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Dont you all love Trumps garbage truck??"

You should really look into a career writing fiction. I understand what you are saying, it just makes zero sense. Not surprising, I guess.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 8:39 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Blu -"This stunt denied voters of a major political party to nominate a preferred candidate."

I don't hear any Democrats complaining about the way it happened.

I am curious, what, in your mind, would have been the proper way to handle it? Did you want them to postpone the election so there was time to have primaries?

Are you secretly a Democrat and feel disenfranchised?

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 9:25 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I also liked the feedback to Soccer's question.

I also do not see a reason why it would have been some sort of plot or plan to wait to make sure
Harris was the Democratic candidate.

The Democrats want to win with any candidate they would put on the ballot. I think Biden had them convinced he was the one to beat Trump until it became apparent after that debate that he was not longer able to make another four years.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 30, 2024, 9:51 pm, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

They should have called Visiting Angels on Joe 2 years before they did, and I know some Democrats who did complain, and many more may be complaining soon. It's one of those deals where if you get away with it, ok, but if it backfires, look out. And they did this simply because they knew they could lead that demented fool around by the nose.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by 3Dee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=3Dee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 31, 2024, 12:03 am, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

I said many times that Biden shouldn't have continued.

He put Country over self and did the right thing.

I wish Biden would have just done it long ago. The precedent that was set wasn't lost on me.

I mean the Republicans could have also pivoted and put a decent Republican to run against Harris.

Now all the decent Republicans seem to be SUPPORTING Kamala.

Republicans could have counter pivoted and won the whole damn thing with their counter pivot. They are still held hostage by the ego of a Narcissist. How does it feel to be held hostage like that?

I can't live like that. I value things like the common good and will not cow-tow to anyone's ego trip. Decent Republicans and those who actually worked for Trump agree and they have found liberation - and hope for better days in 2028.

This pivot game works two ways, and like I said, it's not lost on me. It was the risk they took by waiting so long for Joe to step down.

Also, Steve Bannon was just released from jail. That's not lost on me either. ANYTHING can happen. The ego trip just received a major steroid shot with that man on the loose.

Choose country over Trump, Opi...
Future generations depend on you!

Everything I said in my post above. And.... Foxtrot Delta Tango

Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by opinionated <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=opinionated' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 31, 2024, 7:29 am, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Well said Dee. I wish we had two better choices.

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Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.

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Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 31, 2024, 10:19 am, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

“Also, Steve Bannon was just released from jail. That's not lost on me either. ANYTHING can happen. The ego trip just received a major steroid shot with that man on the loose.

Yep, this guy was on Joe’s, KAMALA’s, Nancy’s et all. Enemy List and they prosecuted him, I’m sure their scared that what goes around, comes around.

How many Republicans in all did the Biden/Harris administration lock up?

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Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 31, 2024, 10:21 am, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

Now, Biden freed from his political correct censor chants, Lock Him Up!

I speak American English, so my pronunciation sounds like, “I” RAN and “I” RACK. Carte blanche

Biden put country over self, funniest line in here ever.

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 31, 2024, 10:36 am, in reply to "Re: So Soccer, Mill and you too Dee"

See opi, now you are stuck, you can either vote for Trump as you implied you would several times, or you can put a smile on the resident GCG leftists' faces while saving the world as an added bonus. You want to be a decent Republican don't you opi, if so you must put country over Trump. Thats some funny stuff, Im going to poach that for my Facebook groups.

I would rather be called a Nazi, or garbage than be talked down to like that, but it was well said as you stated.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

Re: Biden put country over self, funniest line in here ever.

Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 31, 2024, 11:33 am, in reply to "Biden put country over self, funniest line in here ever."

I agree with 3D,

Biden put country over self. If Trump was a moral person who cared about America, he would have did the same. Trump is in the race for TRUMP an escaping his future court dates which will result in fines or jail time in his future. He should have faded to his golf course, but his ego is too big.

Republicans would have had a much better chance of winning without him at the lead.

Re: Biden put country over self, funniest line in here ever.

Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 31, 2024, 3:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Biden put country over self, funniest line in here ever."

Biden went out kicking and screaming, and Jill has never stopped.

Let's see how the LAWFARE pans out. VENEZUELA.

Damn, Tim Walz really really really wants to be a U.S. Senator pretty badly.

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