Nice to see that you are posting here. Though one suspects that now you have done so, the number of questions may make you change your mind!
I have been thinking about the Arisugawa/Takamatsu title. Should one consider Prince Nobuhito as the 11th Prince Takamatsu? I gather that it is considered correct to regard the 1st of the line as Prince Yoshihito, son of Emperor Yozei (II) and Prince Yukihito, son of Emperor Sai (II) as the 3rd title holder. Are these assumptions correct according to Japanese custom?
Cheers,
Christopher
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: Mieko was the daughter of Arisugawa no Miya
: Takehito and his wife Yasuko Maeda.
: Takehito was the younger half-brother of
: Arisugawa no Miya Taruhito Shinno (NB not
: Tomohito – there was no prince of that name
: in the House of Arisugawa). Both were sons
: of Arisugawa no Miya Takahito Shinno
: (1812-1886). Taruhito was the eldest (by
: Yuko Saeki, d 1841), Takehito was the 4th
: and youngest (by Noriko Mori, d 1902).
: Adoption by members of the Imperial Family
: was forbidden by the Imperrial House Law of
: 1889 so when Takehito died in 1913, having
: outlived his only son Tanehito O
: (1887-1908), the Arisugawa no Miyake
: officially became extinct. However in July
: 1913 Emperor Taisho gave his 3rd son
: Nobuhito the title Takamatsu no Miya,
: Takamatsu being the original name of the
: Arisugawa no Miyake. Nobuhito in due course
: married Mieko’s daughter Kikuko.
:
: NB The spellings “Miyeko” and “Mayeda”
: following a transliteration system no longer
: is use. The current forms are Mieko and
: Maeda. Also, one of the previous postings
: mentions “Princess Isako Miyeko Arisugawa
: Fumi-no-Miya”. Isako was actually Mieko’s
: elder sister (born 17 Oct 1885; died 30 Sept
: 1886). I have found no Arisugawa princess
: (or prince) with the title Fumi no Miya
: although Nobuko Naishinno (1891-1933) did
: have this title.
:
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: --Previous Message--
: Princess Isako Miyeko Arisugawa Fumi-no-Miya
: was the daughter of prince Takehito and
: Yasuko Mayeda. Her daughter princess Kikuko
: married prince Takamatsu, brother of
: empereur Hiro-Hito.
:
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:
: Miyeko Arisugawa (1891-1933) married prince
: Yoshihisa Tokugawa.
:
: genealogy edited by Jeffrey Taliaferro
:
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: (http://www.geocities.com/jtaliaferro.geo/miyake.html)
: gives Miyeko's parentage as imperial prince
: Takehito Arisugawa (1862-1913) and Yasuko
: Maeda (1864-1923)
:
: whereas
:
: genealogy edited by Henry Soszynski
:
:
: (http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/states/japan/arisugawa.html)
: gives Miyeko's parentage as prince Tomohito
: Arisugawa (1854-1895) and Tadako Mizoguchi
: (1855-1923)
:
: It looks like Tomohito Arisugawa and
: Takehito Arisugawa were half-brothers. The
: latter survived his brothers, and became
: Head of the shinnoke house of Arisugawa, an
: imperial prince.
:
: These two genealogies contradict each other;
: the conflict exists because no one can have
: two pairs of biological parents. I am
: interested in getting to know who were
: Miyeko Arisugawa's biological parents.
:
: In Japan, siblings and nephews relatively
: often got adopted by brothers and uncles
: (within-family adoption). For example, to
: organize the line of succession.
: It may very well be that one of these two
: parentages in fact were an adopted parentage
: of Miyeko. The problem is that on basis of
: these two conflicting sources, it is not
: obvious nor known, who of them were the
: biological parents.
:
: Does anyone know who were biological parents
: of Miyeko Arisugawa?
: And, what is reliable source of that?
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