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    Re: The Monopoly and Politics of the AANA Fear from the AAAA Archived Message

    Posted by Ram on August 4, 2008, 10:13 am, in reply to "Re: The Monopoly and Politics of the AANA Fear from the AAAA"

    "Your right you have the obligation to support the AANA or the AAAA all I'm saying Ram is as an allied health care professional (you as an RRT) with already have obtained a bachelor's of science degree with out having to go to nursing school to obtain a second bachelor's of science degree 5.2 years total just to obtain a master of science degree to practice as an CRNA. When you can practice as an anesthetist in 2.5 years as an AA-C with a master of science degree doing the same job as an CRNA and earning the same $salary six figures annually in the ACT and continue supporting your association as AHCP it only make sense to go AA-C route but as you said it's you right to chose what path you want to go."

    I never said I have an obligation to support either organization. Reread my post. Again, you seem hard and fast on the TIME issue, which I do not refute, but there are many other factors people consider when making a decision. Although the answer may be easy and �only make sense� for you, for others it WON�T make sense to go the AA route. Quit crucifying those who don�t agree with you. And who said all people holding a BS degree have all the pre-med requirements for AA programs. I certainly don�t.

    "#1.Do you think it's right that the AANA are trying to close down every AA-C schools including the newest AA-C program University Missouri Kansas City School of Medicine? (which I know is not true or should I say it will not happen if the anesthesiologist M.D./D.O. who co-direct and teach the program have any thing to say about it.)"

    No, its not right, but as you just said... you know its not true, so why the question?

    "#2.Do you think It's right that the AANA are trying to have AA-Cs not consider as anesthetist when AA-Cs are anesthetist?..And why is it every time when I present the truth and/or facts about the negative politics of the AANA mostly from the CRNAs on here. All of a sudden I'm the bad person, or I'm crying, or I'm wining, or I'm B!@*hing?..All I'm trying to do is get real answers."

    It's not right. I myself will be applying to AA school. And yes, you do whine too much over cases where people don't follow your advice.

    "#3.Do you think it's right when the AAAA want to practice in different states where AA-Cs do not practice as of yet, but when the AANA hear that AA-Cs are trying to become license and/or practice in that particular state they run to legislation and try to block the AA-Cs is it right Yes! or No! what the AANA is doing?..Prime example the state of Oklahoma may 2008 the AANA ran and try to block AA-Cs from becoming license or from working in that state sorry to say AA-Cs were license anyway."

    No, its not right. AAs should be able to work wherever they want... but lets go back to your post and your original post about your friend who "betrayed" the AAAA and the "ACHP". (btw I've never heard of some organization or group called ACHP)

    What if your friend, we'll call him/her Judas due to his/her betrayal , went the CRNA route for exactly those reasons posted above? (i.e. What if Judas worked in Texas and then received a phone call that Peter and the other Apostles ate some rotten food up in Philly and were admitted to the ICU and he needed to take care of them for the next year?)

    Is Judas a bad person for having gone the CRNA route? Is he bad because he thought of these possible scenarios knowing the other apostles are constantly hospital-bound? Is he bad because he factored in the ability to be able to work in any state, when comparing the AA and CRNA route?

    �Prime example in the state of Ohio when CRNAs went to go testify on the behalf of the AA-Cs that they work with in the ACT on how competent and excellent anesthetist they are. The AANA gave the CRNAs problems with renewing their license because they were supporting the AA-Cs. "Truth hurts doesn't?.�

    Like Stanley said, this is all hearsay until you provide evidence. And btw how does that hurt me? I�m not a CRNA in Ohio nor am I an AANA member. I am simply a respiratory therapist.

    �So I ask you Ram as a human being and a open minded fair person what am I suppose to do for the next 6 months since I'm not allowed to work in California as an anesthetist, and do you think it's right for the AANA to block or deny me from working in California or any other states as an AA-C when I'm doing the same job as a CRNA in the ACT?�

    Work at a local VA in California as an AA. Tricare reimburses AAs now.

    �After everything I have said Ram if you can't tell the difference between "Right and Wrong" and/or can't admit the truth and you still defend the AANA with their negative politics towards the AAAA then your not as intelligent as I thought you were�

    When did I ever defend the AANA or attack the AAA? Now you�re just putting words into my mouth. That is very childish DC. You need to support your unbiased statements.

    �if you can't read or say anything positive about my posting then by all mean please do not respond to them. If I chose to write long sentences it's my prerogative and be careful what you say it may come back to bite you or to hunt you think before you talk. �

    The long winded sentences do not help in proving your point. Its kind of reading a boring book. While the subject at hand may be important, the way it is presented may be dull. I just think there are better ways of getting your views across. Online threats? Nice�

    �This is one letter I will be taking to legislation and to my state Governor when it comes time for my state to license AA-Cs.�

    Ok�. Why?

    �Good day Ram and God bless you just remember he sits high and looks low on everything we do and how we treat people in life.�

    I merely play devil�s advocate. I myself will be applying to AA school, I hope you understand that DC.
    Trying to warn/threaten me through religion? Thanks.
    How do you know I even believe in God?
    I guess that means you actually feel bad about what I wrote. You need to learn how to take constructive criticism. Your enthusiasm for the profession is high, but you need to learn how to channel it and how to EFFECTIVELY spread that message.

    Ram, RRT


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