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    Committee report link relating to the above

    Posted by Strider on 7/8/2025, 11:45:08

    https://democracy.luton.gov.uk/cmis5public/Document.ashx?czJKcaeAi5tUFL1DTL2UE4zNRBcoShgo=1glXQnq7S4TQMKPSP7tMKhdGIOnGdFtRb6HlCFjHVkcjUKcIE3mUAA%3d%3d&rUzwRPf%2bZ3zd4E7Ikn8Lyw%3d%3d=pwRE6AGJFLDNlh225F5QMaQWCtPHwdhUfCZ%2fLUQzgA2uL5jNRG4jdQ%3d%3d&mCTIbCubSFfXsDGW9IXnlg%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&kCx1AnS9%2fpWZQ40DXFvdEw%3d%3d=hFflUdN3100%3d&uJovDxwdjMPoYv%2bAJvYtyA%3d%3d=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&FgPlIEJYlotS%2bYGoBi5olA%3d%3d=NHdURQburHA%3d&d9Qjj0ag1Pd993jsyOJqFvmyB7X0CSQK=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&WGewmoAfeNR9xqBux0r1Q8Za60lavYmz=ctNJFf55vVA%3d&WGewmoAfeNQ16B2MHuCpMRKZMwaG1PaO=ctNJFf55vVA%3d

      Re: Committee report link relating to the above

      Posted by chocks away on 7/8/2025, 12:19:34, in reply to "Committee report link relating to the above "

      I'm going to kick myself for asking what is obvious but why is it a good idea to remove the requirement to build affordable housing?


      In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king

        Re: Committee report link relating to the above

        Posted by icancyu2 on 7/8/2025, 14:25:48, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

        Define 'affordable'

          Re: Committee report link relating to the above

          Posted by EastEnder on 7/8/2025, 12:56:27, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

          Bigger profits if they're sold for more money

          Power Court report

          Posted by Strider on 7/8/2025, 12:46:55, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

          See paragraphs 84 & 85 and Apoendix A for a more concise understanding on the affordable housing issue.

            Re: Committee report link relating to the above

            Posted by HH on 7/8/2025, 12:26:01, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

            Based on what is in the above link, 2020 Developments are saying that if they have to include affordable housing, the development would lose about £50m.

            If house prices went up by 5% it would still lose £30m.

            Their costs on infrastructure etc are at £27m. Plus £6m on moving the substation.

            I think from the report, and reading between the lines, even without affordable housing, they're still losing money form the overall development?

            (BNP Paribas were asked by LBC to carry out their own independent analysis and they agreed with the club's figures)

              Re: Committee report link relating to the above

              Posted by RADSB on 7/8/2025, 14:28:08, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

              There's no loss on building the apartments. Have a look at the Viability Report submitted by 2020. It shows that the profit margin with affordable housing would be too low to make the project viable. In other words, it would be a risk too far for potential developers if certain conditions changed (obviously future problems in the building industry such as wars, Trumpisms, etc are unknown).

              The removal of the need for affordable housing pushes up the profit margin to attractive levels for potential developers.


              Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                Posted by HH on 7/8/2025, 14:35:13, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                Ah, that provides a bit more context rather than trying to work it out from the officer's report!

                The profit would only be £17m, but for it to be viable for a developer it should be delivering at least £64m.

                Also interesting that it will cost £262m to build all the dwellings. And has cost £10m just to clear the site, £5m to culvert the river etc.

                Mad just how big this project is.

                  Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                  Posted by RADSB on 7/8/2025, 14:37:34, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                  Some fascinating stuff there.
                  See my post above with the amounts being given to highways and education.


                  Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                Posted by EastEnder on 7/8/2025, 12:57:14, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                Why are they building housing then if they're going to make a loss?

                  Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                  Posted by Strider on 7/8/2025, 13:51:21, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                  That’s the point they wouldn’t find developers willing to build the houses at a loss.

                    Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                    Posted by HH on 7/8/2025, 13:04:12, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                    I guess they either expect prices to rise and / or using a somewhat conservative estimate for their spreadsheets hoping the real market does better?

                    And they seem to be hoping for some government funding from Homes England to help with the infrastructure which will help with the loss.

                    And this viability seems linked only to the housing, so with the other elements on site it will still turn a profit overall?

                    Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                    Posted by bbb on 7/8/2025, 12:53:51, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                    So what's changed? And why weren't any changes(costings etc) taken into account originally?

                      Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                      Posted by HH on 7/8/2025, 13:04:43, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                      Yeah, it does seem the whole 'fully funded' quotes from a few years back weren't quite true.

                        Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                        Posted by Music Critic on 7/8/2025, 13:13:47, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                        To be fair, they were probably true at the time. There are always something unforeseen in major infrastructure builds, especially around costs

                        It's such a complex project that will continue to need a lot of hard work managing it even when the stadium starts getting built. I've worked for major infrastructure builders in the past and overseeing these things involves getting immersed in stuff and, often, taking up long hours. Needs total commitment from whoever is looking after PC's construction

                        The club have done brilliantly to get us this far but there are more hard yards to get through

                        Re: Committee report link relating to the above

                        Posted by EastEnder on 7/8/2025, 13:07:26, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to the above "

                        I am not sure that was ever a direct quote from the club, at one point the whole development (I think was including original plans) was estimated to cost £950m.

                        Amyone would have to be a basket case to think one season in Prem covers that. Maybe fully funded referred to the stadium part.

                Re: Committee report link relating to Power Court

                Posted by Strider on 7/8/2025, 11:50:21, in reply to "Committee report link relating to the above "

                Congratulations to Gary Sweet, Mike Moran and all those involved for progressing this matter to the present situation and fingers crossed that the Committee agree with the recommendation.

                  Re: Committee report link relating to Power Court

                  Posted by Hatman on 7/8/2025, 13:58:40, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to Power Court"

                  Including affordable housing to get approval then removing it to make money = cnuts trick.

                    Re: Committee report link relating to Power Court

                    Posted by RADSB on 7/8/2025, 12:08:03, in reply to "Re: Committee report link relating to Power Court"

                    Thanks J.

                    +1


                    Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

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