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    We gave them a inch

    Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 11:09:17

    Now they're taking a mile

    https://observer.co.uk/news/politics/article/this-is-serious-starmer-orders-move-towards-digital-id-system


      Re: We gave them a inch

      Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 4/8/2025, 17:57:30, in reply to "We gave them a inch"

      Digital ID would make stuff like this a lot less likely to happen.

      https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/aug/04/ruth-szymankiewicz-died-huntercombe-hospital-agency-worker-false-id-inquest

        Re: We gave them a inch

        Posted by RADSB on 4/8/2025, 12:51:02, in reply to "We gave them a inch"

        Issues discussed in a BBC podcast -
        https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002gg7m


        Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

          Re: We gave them a inch

          Posted by HH on 4/8/2025, 12:11:30, in reply to "We gave them a inch"

          I'm indifferent about them tbh.

          Not sure they ever solve any problem.

          But equally, I find the argument against them where people think they're somehow a great big surveillance threat whilst happily uploading ID to the internet to have a wank and participating on tiktok and facebook and having a mobile phone, quite amusing.

            Re: We gave them a inch

            Posted by The Questioner on 5/8/2025, 0:22:58, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

            😂😂very true.

              Re: We gave them a inch

              Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 14:00:11, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

              The point is that a great many people aren't happily uploading phot if and think it's an intrusive, I'll thought through authoritarian overreach.

              Vpn usage has shot up, and almost every site will happily take Kier Starmers photo as proof

                Re: We gave them a inch

                Posted by HH on 4/8/2025, 14:09:02, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                All true.

                But I also think there does need to be some kind of control over what kids can access online. I’ve got no idea what the perfect solution is, probably no one does.

                I guess my wider point is that what’s strange is how many people rage about government overreach while giving social media companies free rein to harvest everything about them, daily. Some of which do so on a Chinese state run app.

                And look, if you’re (not you specifically, just people in general) that desperate for a wank, get a VPN and knock yourself out. Most older teenagers will do exactly that. But there’s still a big difference between a 16 year old finding workarounds and a 9 year old stumbling into stuff they shouldn’t.

                  Re: We gave them a inch

                  Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 14:17:32, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                  There are controls that have been in place for years. All ISPs must provide settings for parental controls that can be accessed inside the router settings.
                  There's also software you can download to do the same job.

                  It just needs parents to actually parent but many can't or won't.

                  Obviously there's ways round that as well, but it's the Internet. Short of doing a Chinese style national firewall you can't stop everything.

                  Agree with your last two paragraphs.. I think the point is around choice though

                    Re: We gave them a inch

                    Posted by Caught Jester on 4/8/2025, 14:16:53, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                    Very valid point at the end there but the bit before that did make me chuckle!

                  Re: We gave them a inch

                  Posted by Herts Hatter on 4/8/2025, 12:27:01, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                  cool detachment cope dude

                    Re: We gave them a inch

                    Posted by HH on 4/8/2025, 12:35:27, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                    Sorry mate.

                    I'll go back to absolutely foaming at the mouth about them now.

                      Re: We gave them a inch

                      Posted by Music Critic on 4/8/2025, 12:37:20, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"



                      He'll be going on to Infowars right now to see if he can find another conspiracy theory cliche to throw at you

                  Re: We gave them a inch

                  Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 4/8/2025, 11:57:20, in reply to "We gave them a inch"

                  You know exactly how this will be used, anyone caught displaying a union jack or st george cross will have a 'far right' marker added to the database

                    Re: We gave them a inch

                    Posted by Farhat on 4/8/2025, 12:16:26, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                    Like, er, Keir Starmer?

                      Re: We gave them a inch

                      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 4/8/2025, 13:06:25, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                      The Starmer who displayed every UK flag apart from the Cross of St George on his entry into 10 Downing St you mean?

                      Re: We gave them a inch

                      Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 12:00:28, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                      MIB

                      You know that is nonsense, why post childish crap about a serious subject?

                        Re: We gave them a inch

                        Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 12:01:23, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                        MIB

                        (I am against it, for clarity to Doctor Ince)

                          Re: We gave them a inch

                          Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 4/8/2025, 13:04:18, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                          Can't help the snidey comment can you. Once we get rid of Two Tier and this appalling govt I'm all for ID cards, if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.

                            Re: We gave them a inch

                            Posted by Farhat on 4/8/2025, 14:08:17, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                            It's going down exactly the same road as us becoming a cashless country. Stop giving these people more power of our lives.

                              Re: We gave them a inch

                              Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 13:18:59, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                              MIB

                              ' if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear.

                              🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

                              Nothing snide or indirect about my comment by the way. It couldn't really have been more clear.

                                Re: We gave them a inch

                                Posted by HH on 4/8/2025, 13:09:49, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                Surely the issue is whether they’re a good idea full stop, not which party is branding them?

                                  Re: We gave them a inch

                                  Posted by RADSB on 4/8/2025, 13:16:44, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                  The podcast makes an interesting point - young people are in favour of ID cards as it helps prove to an employer that they exist and are legal. It also helps with renting too. Both those points help the employer and Landlord too.


                                  Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                                    Re: We gave them a inch

                                    Posted by Caught Jester on 4/8/2025, 13:40:11, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                    Pretty much the norm across ALL the EU*, in fact it’s more of an issue if you HAVEN’T got one - as I found out the other week.











                                    *I'm pretty sure that’s the case though I stand to be corrected

                                      Re: We gave them a inch

                                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 14:01:40, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                      As this is a digital I'd card they're talking about, it will be available through an app.

                                      Which means either Apple or Google essentially controls your access to your Id.

                                        Re: We gave them a inch

                                        Posted by RADSB on 4/8/2025, 13:43:11, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                        It is - Macron made the point on his visit that migrants can work here as there's no ID card system, so makes the UK a favoured destination.


                                        Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                                          Re: We gave them a inch

                                          Posted by Caught Jester on 4/8/2025, 13:42:25, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                          *I’ll correct myself. Except Denmark

                                          Re: We gave them a inch

                                          Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 13:21:52, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                                          MIB

                                          ID cards certainly have some plus points. It's how they are potentially used which rings the danger bells.

                                            Re: We gave them a inch

                                            Posted by RADSB on 4/8/2025, 13:34:31, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                            Do you mean crime and over zealous officials?

                                            We had them in WW1 and WW2 - for security, rationing etc. And after WW2 as rationing was still in effect Interesting how the Gestapo (The Great Escape-esque) checking ID's at training stations was used as an anti-ID card argument in the 1950's...and still remains at the forefront of our psyche today.


                                            Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                                              Re: We gave them a inch

                                              Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 13:42:09, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                                              MIB

                                              Not entirely. The world has changed massively since then and the use (and security) of data has to be a major concern.

                                              We are very vulnerable to cyber-attack anyhow, as a nation and as individuals.

                                              Quantum computing adds endless extra layers to that threat, and is a real and present danger from malign players like China and Russia.

                                              I'm highly aware of that having written some lengthy reports on the subject. Quite chilling how vulnerable we are.

                                              I don't think what happened around 80 years ago is at the forefront of the national psyche to be honest, just old gippers like us!

                                                Re: We gave them a inch

                                                Posted by RADSB on 4/8/2025, 13:47:44, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                                All good points. Thanks.

                                                As an aside - did you see that Ukraine and Belarus hackers got into Aeroflot for a year as they were using Windows XP and the CEO hadn't changed his password since the last time he was sober...over 3 years ago


                                                Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                                                  Re: We gave them a inch

                                                  Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 13:54:47, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                                                  MIB

                                                  If you'd read some of the stuff I have in researching those reports you certainly wouldn't be surprised at that - or worse!

                                                  The C-Suite level at companies are often in denial about the strength of their data security, even outside of instances like that.

                                                  It's the old adage of only being as strong as your weakest point...whether that's a pissed/drugged up cock in charge, or someone way down the line.

                                                  In all honesty, our data vulnerability (the whole 'West') scares the hell out of me.

                                                    Re: We gave them a inch

                                                    Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 14:04:14, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                                    Two very good posts.

                                                    Obviously the weakest link in any cyber defense is typically the people, which is why phishing is so popular. The new law only makes this worse... All a scammer has to do now is make a convincing pop up asking the user to upload an id to verify their age and boom.

                                                      Re: We gave them a inch

                                                      Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 14:14:46, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                                                      MIB

                                                      At the corporate level it's not just the people but the systems/platforms themselves.

                                                      Lots of quick fixes that aren't, tech interfaces with old and new systems etc.

                                                      And the commercial considerations of thorough security v customer experience/market share

                                                        Re: We gave them a inch

                                                        Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 14:23:33, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                                        Legacy systems are a real problem, and many places, and riddled with them.

                                                        To be honest loads of companies are using Cloud for the x as a service option, but I think we're one or two major outages from AWS or Azure before companies want data and servers back on premise.

                                                        How deep down the OSI model did you have to go?

                                                          Re: We gave them a inch

                                                          Posted by crumpsall on 4/8/2025, 14:44:36, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"
                                                          MIB

                                                          OSI pretty much old history at the level the papers were aimed. Familiar with risk orchestration?

                                                          You are spot on probs re Azure or AWS outages but we were looking at larger environments and the overall data landscape.

                                                          Digital trust in layman's terms.

                                                    Re: We gave them a inch

                                                    Posted by Caught Jester on 4/8/2025, 13:51:52, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                                  Re: We gave them a inch

                                                  Posted by RADSB on 4/8/2025, 13:35:43, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                                  *Train stations...yes I know it should be railway stations.


                                                  Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                                    Re: We gave them a inch

                                    Posted by Alien Nate on 4/8/2025, 11:40:39, in reply to "We gave them a inch"

                                    Read your headline and thought "phew,,, itnot just me then" ! 👽


                                    .

                                    We talked about some old times
                                    And drank ourselves some beers
                                    Still crazy after all these years.

                                      Re: We gave them a inch

                                      Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 14:07:18, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                      Although having read your post again I suspect I was a bit slow on the uptake

                                        Re: We gave them a inch

                                        Posted by Doctor Ince on 4/8/2025, 14:06:41, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                        Mental.

                                        I get called a conspiracy theorist a lot, but with a digital Id you're giving control to Apple or Google and then also having everything you do online, from porn to looking at the weather, availbe for the government to peruse and linked directly to you.

                                        Also it means the data could (will) be shared with insurance companies etc who will take the fact you like looking at lesbians into account

                                          Re: We gave them a inch

                                          Posted by MVhatter on 4/8/2025, 14:18:53, in reply to "Re: We gave them a inch"

                                          Shit, how did they find out that about me so quickly.... goddam hacker types.

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