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Players leaving.
Posted by The Questioner on 29/7/2025, 2:14:28
Imo we have lost four very good players who would get in any team in the first division. As far as I am aware only one of those had a clause in there contract allowing them to leave. If the reason the others were allowed to go is because of wages then imo we should have gambled on paying them more and trying to ensure an immediate return to the champ.The money we need to spend on replacements in transfer fees (and they are likely to be inferior ) would compensate the additional salary. They were all contracted to us and with good man management could have been made to play.I think even if a player wants away the majority of them will still do there best as it’s a pride thing. If we are in the third tier when power court eventually opens it will be half full after the initial euphoria. Personally gutted to see Alfie leave ….when fit one of our best players and imo had he not got injured at a crucial time we would have stayed up last season.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Fife Hatter on 29/7/2025, 10:48:30, in reply to "Players leaving." Come on England
Wouldve put an incentive of get champ wages for this season if we go up
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Hatters88 on 29/7/2025, 8:26:58, in reply to "Players leaving."
My gut feeling is that players are a lot more willing to leave Luton than in the recent past. We went a few seasons where players just basically stayed at the club, we had a core of a squad that brought into the club, they understood and wanted to be apart of the longer term "project" as such, it does feel like that is missing at the moment. Are new players just not buying into the "luton vision" at the moment?
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Zobra The Greek on 29/7/2025, 8:26:32, in reply to "Players leaving."
Didn’t we try that last season? That worked out well.
Doughty is the only one I genuinely wanted to stay, but was always unlikely. Remains to be seen if we can get a replacement in that’s adequate. The biggest problem with him going is that if we do bounce straight back up, we know he’s got the experience and talent to do it in the championship. And it’s a toss of a coin as to whether whoever we get in to replace him will have that.
The more I think about it, the more relegation feels like a huge setback. But let’s see, maybe we’ll dig up a couple of gems. Like the old days.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by RM on 29/7/2025, 7:21:00, in reply to "Players leaving."
All teams have to evolve, especially relegated teams.You can't keep everyone forever,football doesn't work like that. Unless you have seen a contract, you can't possibly know what's written in it. Footballers heads mentally have to be in the right place to perform, it's unlikely if they want away they will perform to their best ability, it's not about pride, it's mindset. Was Elijah's head turned last season, probably yes, did it affect his form, probably yes. Who knows what agents are feeding these players.Same with Mengi and possibly Doughty. Last seasons group of failures needed to be broken up, something was clearly wrong in the group, which we will probably never get to the bottom of.I suspect REs doing but have no basis for proof of that. Get behind the new group and move on.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Voice of reason on 29/7/2025, 6:57:16, in reply to "Players leaving."
You start by saying we’ve lost four very good players. Players on high wages not necessarily sustainable on the income from L1. They wanted to be in a higher division and their agents found takers. It’s a no brainer to let them go recoup what you can from them and reinvest it in players who want to be here and will fight for the cause.You then had a guess to support your annoyance but admitted ‘as far as I am aware’, at which point your position floundered. Then If …. then we should have gambled. What about if not? The rest is pure conjecture. You’re not questioner you are moaner. We are all sad to see Alfie leave but his heart was at Luton but his head wasn’t.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Ostrich spotter on 29/7/2025, 9:35:50, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
But we are not reinvesting the fees recouped. We are not even signing players to fill the gaps left by the departing players
There are 4 more weeks to the window ends, I would suspect most clubs at this level haven't got their final squads in place yet. Haven't we brought in several players so far?
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Ostrich spotter on 29/7/2025, 10:01:15, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
I would suggest that not many clubs are going into their first match with glaring holes in certain positions. Not for the first time.
We could put our a whole team of centre halves, once again very light on effective wing/full backs and have a very worrying strike force.
Unless we add a left sided wing/full back before Friday you would surely agree the timing of the Doughty sale is not ideal?
No sale time is ideal, do you honestly think MB doesn't have an alternative plan for Friday? What do you think they will be doing all this week, preparation and preparation. We will likely have a filler until a more specialist player is signed if needed. What if Doughty got injured, someone steps up.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Ostrich spotter on 29/7/2025, 11:48:38, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
In the best run club in the country I would expect the "filler" to already be at the club. How many times have we had to have fillers at left wing/full back? Some genius even thought Chong was an adequate filler
Luckily your opinion doesn't count for anything. Left back and Left wing back are totally different positions. As I say, let's see what developes and come back to me on September 1st.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by The Questioner on 29/7/2025, 7:08:17, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
If we are relying on the income from league 1 with a 40m parachute payment and surplus transfer income we are well and truly fucked.
We need to replace those players and that will cost money. Say to keep Alfie we had to give him £5k p/w more then that’s £250k over the season. You think we will get someone as good as him for £250k….thats the no brainer.
Your other couple of sentences sound like you have had brandy for breakfast…..
However your last sentence is complete guesswork….and I suspect bollox…pay them and they will stay.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Nearly a Genius on 29/7/2025, 9:25:51, in reply to "Re: Players leaving." Legend of Outlaws
"Your last sentence is complete guesswork... and I suspect bollox" Pot. Kettle.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Voice of reason on 29/7/2025, 7:24:36, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
Your last comment is naive. Many players would play for less money to be at a higher level, although the higher levels usually bring higher wages. We may be better off financially than most if not all in league 1 but paying £25k to £30k a week is not sustainable. It’s not £250k a year extra that’s a problem. He was allegedly on a wage of between £20k + per week. That's over £1m a year.
Very happy to see Morris, Doughty go. Sad to see Burke go, but his fitness alone demanded it.
Now Chong and Nakamba too please.
Re Mengi I suspect he is better value-for-money and he has a much higher ceiling than the rest. I think keeping him would pay financial dividends and I think he could play a huge part in us getting back to the Championship.
'Reinvest it in players that want to be here' and therein lies the problem. They haven't.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Zobra The Greek on 29/7/2025, 9:39:09, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
Thing is, it's all very well complaining that we haven't spent any money, but the players have to want to come here. Any player we're looking at needs to be of Championship standard, really. So it's a big ask to get them to drop down to League One. We've done it with Saville, Naismith and Wells, but to get a youngish, proven goalscorer to do it is a different thing altogether.
I think we'd have better luck going for someone from L2 who notched a decent number last season and has potential to step up to the Champ. Fuck knows if that would work either, though. Our knack for picking up lower league gems isn't what it used to be.
Although we've had about 13/14 weeks since the West Brom game to sort it.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Warnes Right Hand on 29/7/2025, 5:56:41, in reply to "Players leaving."
If players want to go them no point in keeping them, look at Liverpool and Diaz. So its just a question of the best deal we can get.
Lets just say the transfer system applied to the workplace. A company makes an approach to your employer, the employer turns it down, and you wanted to work at that company. What would you do ? Yep be a pain in the arse until it happened.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by The Questioner on 29/7/2025, 6:14:12, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
I think the key thing is that players aren’t leaving for a dream move …they are leaving for more money. In your example if my current employer offered me more money and if we didn’t get back into the championship next year I could leave I would stay. It’s entirely about the dollar…..
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by Warnes Right Hand on 29/7/2025, 7:02:00, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
Money does not buy you success. Man Utd. Sunderland.
What gets success is right person for right job.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by The Questioner on 29/7/2025, 7:11:33, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
Man City , Liverpool , Arsenal, notts Forest….sadly you are wrong it’s the biggest contributor in today’s football world which made our promotion to the premier league even more remarkable.
Posted by The Questioner on 29/7/2025, 5:43:03, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
The champ isn’t the champions league …very different and most players at our level play for the cash…
I agree re Bloomfield getting his own team together but I assume he wants to keep quality.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by deeuu on 29/7/2025, 4:18:45, in reply to "Players leaving."
If e learned one thing last season, if players don’t want to be here, let them go.
You cannot pay some players much more than others.
We will be okay, and expect us to challenge.
Yesterdays shenanigans will take some getting over.For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by The Questioner on 29/7/2025, 5:45:15, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
Who do you think underperformed last year because they wanted away?
Your second sentence is total nonsense….you can and every club does.
Maybe and I hope you are right…..I just think we could have made it easier by retaining quality.
You will not find me knocking players, but I do feel Mengi had his head turned.
With regards to salary, accept players can be paid more, but unless you are at the silly levels where even the lowest paid players are in a level that gives you lifetime security, at our level, I do not believe you can pay huge differences.
Confident we will replace players who have left and add a striker.
If only there were more Barry Bannan’s in football.For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Re: Players leaving.
Posted by The Questioner on 30/7/2025, 1:21:40, in reply to "Re: Players leaving."
Fair enough calling players out….however Mengi only played 16 games last season so wouldn’t have a massive impact either way.
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