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    Change .... Too much to soon?

    Posted by Shutupya on 10/7/2025, 7:57:51

    Under Edwards we tried to change our playing style and the whole team Ethos in a very hurried timescale with disastrous results, is anyone concerned that the squad overhaul is too much to soon?

    We all recognise change is needed and if Bloomfields Luton are going to play a different style it's also necessary but is the speed of change a concern?

    My personal view is that I am not bothered by any of the departures (well maybe Pelly for sentimental reasons) I just thank them for their service and efforts and wish them well.

    COYH.

      Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

      Posted by HH on 10/7/2025, 8:37:31, in reply to "Change .... Too much to soon?"

      Yeah, let's make a gradual and gentle move away from a playing style which has seen us relegated twice in two years and concede 170 goals in two years.

      The quicker, the fucking better, tbh.

      There is very little worth preserving from the last two years.

        Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

        Posted by Zobra The Greek on 10/7/2025, 10:36:57, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

        The last 10 games under Bloomfield, I believe we were something like 3rd in the form table?

        It took him a few games to understand the enormity of the task, but after that he tightened the ship pretty quickly and consistantly (Blackburn (H) and the fucking WBA shambles aside).

          Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

          Posted by Well on 10/7/2025, 9:10:10, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

          Reading this place.

          Escaping another relegation will be celebrated.

          Just below Burton should do nicely.

          Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

          Posted by RADSB on 10/7/2025, 8:12:52, in reply to "Change .... Too much to soon?"

          MB has already said it's not a one window fix. We have money but we need the right players - we don't want to repeat the stupid purchases of the last 4 windows. If he's trying for a specific style of play then that will take time. It took NJ a while to get the right pieces into place. When Pleat sold Paul Futcher, he brought in what, 7 players that formed the nucleus of the great 81/82 team, but it took three seasons to get there.

          So I expect us to be bouncing around mid table this season with the usual mix of great wins and horrors. Managing expectations is the key - does MB have that quality? Or do we need to get Sir John in from Southend to help out.


          Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

            Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

            Posted by LTFC39 on 10/7/2025, 8:49:33, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

            Bouncing around mid table is a horrendous failure.

            Our budget will dwarf everyone else’s and there’s a gap between the two divisions.

              Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

              Posted by RADSB on 10/7/2025, 8:55:52, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

              Wouldn't mid table be a success as it would mean we have bottomed out and hopefully made progress towards a promotion challenging squad - plus there would be no relegation or promotion stress.


              Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                Posted by Mr T on 10/7/2025, 12:58:44, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                How would it “mean we have bottomed out”?

                It would mean we are even worse than last season, by quite some distance.

                  Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                  Posted by RADSB on 10/7/2025, 13:03:19, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                  Turn it around - not bottoming out would mean relegation again. So mid table would mean bottoming out. Basically we need to de-bottom.


                  Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                  Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                  Posted by Music Critic on 10/7/2025, 9:03:03, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                  Wouldn't mid table be a success

                  Nope. But I fear it could be the reality regardless

                Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                Posted by Music Critic on 10/7/2025, 8:30:55, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                So I expect us to be bouncing around mid table this season with the usual mix of great wins and horrors.

                Brilliant. I can't wait. Bravo LTFC

                  Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                  Posted by SAHB on 10/7/2025, 8:27:33, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                  A good manager will play a system that suit the players he has and gradually bring in players to play his favoured system.

                  I think managers have become so rigid in how they play and are not actually managing the players to be able adapt to different formations.

                  When you have injuries short or long term it is crucial you can change the system for what you have on the pitch.

                  Man City suffered massively from not adapting when Rodri was injured.

                  They should have gone more direct, as their patient game was broken because when they lost the ball they had no Rodri to win it back.

                  Edwards was a prime example of having a system that none of the players could play.


                  The journey leads you to the answers..

                    Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                    Posted by RADSB on 10/7/2025, 8:42:27, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                    Great post, agree with all that.

                    I always trot out the Warnock nugget. Went to Cardiff, told no dosh available, looked at the players he had, developed a style that suited them, tweaked, promotion.


                    Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                      Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                      Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 10/7/2025, 8:57:42, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                      Why didn't MB look at the players he had, develop a style that suited them, tweak, avoid relegation?

                        Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                        Posted by RADSB on 10/7/2025, 9:04:09, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                        That's the worry isn't it.

                        Sigh, I still dream of RE being fired after Boro or Warnock (or similar) coming in January.

                        So frustrating......


                        Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                          Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                          Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 10/7/2025, 9:20:06, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                          It academic now but I wanted Gary Rowett before he joined Oxford

                            Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                            Posted by RADSB on 10/7/2025, 9:27:10, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                            +1


                            Mr J.C. Lomax having been called upon to give his opinion upon the proposed formation of a Town Club, said he was most emphatically in favour of a proposed Luton Town Football Club - 11th April 1885

                  Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                  Posted by Andy Cappuccino on 10/7/2025, 8:12:00, in reply to "Change .... Too much to soon?"

                  I would have thought changing the playing style gradually is more dangerous tbh. Change it and bed the new style in ASAP

                    Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                    Posted by Vladimir Luton on 10/7/2025, 8:07:43, in reply to "Change .... Too much to soon?"

                    If you're going to change playing style or formation, it's probably best to do it all in one go and then evolve from there depending on what works and what doesn't.

                      Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                      Posted by Music Critic on 10/7/2025, 8:19:38, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                      The evidence suggests otherwise. Edwards tweaked our style when he first took over and we got promoted

                      Edwards then completely changed style when we dropped out of the Prem (with basically the same squad) and we, eventually, got relegated. Again

                      Bloomfield tried to implement his formation when he first took over and we didn't win any of his first few games. He then changed back to something that was similar to 2022-23 and we went on a really good run

                      Unless the club and management are prepared to totally change the squad with players that suit another style, evolution is better than revolution. Especially, as with Luton pre-Edwards, there wasn't an awful lot wrong

                      In summer 2024 we did not do enough in the transfer market to justify a complete change of style, which Edwards thought he could still implement

                        Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                        Posted by Letchworth Hatter on 10/7/2025, 8:39:07, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                        There has been a lot of talk about us changing to four at the back in a 4231 system like he played at Wycombe.

                        However, at the moment, with only a few weeks to go I don't think we have the personnel - we still look much more suited to a 532.

                        4 at the back certainly doesn't suit Naismith who I hope will be a key player and who is far better in a three - and Jones who is a RWB rather than RB. Most importantly, none of our strikers look like they can play in the lone Kone role.


                          Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                          Posted by Music Critic on 10/7/2025, 8:48:37, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                          Agreed

                          The early part of the window has been surprisingly quiet but let's see where we are in a fortnight or so

                          But, yep, 3-5-2/5-3-2 is what the squad currently looks like

                            Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                            Posted by Letchworth Hatter on 10/7/2025, 10:06:02, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                            Given we've just signed another two centre backs it looks like that's definitely going to be the case.

                        Re: Change .... Too much to soon?

                        Posted by Vladimir Luton on 10/7/2025, 8:23:46, in reply to "Re: Change .... Too much to soon?"

                        Fair points

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