It's been alot of fun, and quite an education Robert. Have now posted pics that I'm pretty confident show the 'Two Iron Crolle' and 'Three Iron Crolle' that L.C. Smith, Parker, and Lefever used (but with different names.) Now SOMEBODY out there has a C or B grade Parker (and not ashamed to admit such )or a Quality No. 4, A1, 5, Eagle or Crown L.C. Smith with damascus brls so I can document higher grade damascus. AND I still need a good LC 'Chain Damascus' pic. Please send a high resolution close-up by JPG attachment to revdoc2@cox.net and thanks!