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Posted by Bertram_Wooster <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Bertram_Wooster' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:25 pm

1. In a result that came as a surprise to absolutely fucking no-one, Everton spew the chance to go sixth and build some momentum. The system and personnel worked a treat on Monday, so why change it to put O'Brien back in a position where he struggles to say the least. That said, and as much as I believe he has to go in the summer, Moyes doesn't make them pass to the opposition on the edge of the box, or forget schoolboy level basics.

2. Self-appointed hardcase Tarkowski getting bullied like a Kopite step-child by Thiago and stinking the gaff out generally. A great defender when it comes to heading away crosses and that's it: fucking shite otherwise. Berating his partner for the fourth when he was looking at him as the move developed. If he's out of position, fucking tell him. See also him blaming Iroegbunam after giving him a hospital ball for their first.

3. Grealish proving the only bright spot, demonstrating the art of shifting the ball then putting in the cross to perfection (something he could remember to do more often).

4. Any chance we can Mykolenko drafted to the frontline? Or a job playing a consumption-riddled Victorian orphan in some BBC drama?

5. Iroegbunam back to being absolutely fucking terrible again. The worth of Gueye to this side clearer with every passing game.

Overall: fucking shite.

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Posted by bluelordloverocket <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=bluelordloverocket' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 9:51 am, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

We had a squad built to scrap and stay compact and get survival on a shoestring, with Ndiaye as the bright light. In the summer we bought some players who can help us take the game to the opposition a bit more and try and control games, and have Grealish, KDH and Ndiaye who to be fair have looked very good together. Sadly 2 of them are missing and the other has been as well. Its so obvious how much better they all look when at least another of them is on the pitch. The team we are fielding at the moment is basically back to the scrappy survival team but with Grealish instead of Ndiaye. They can only do so much. We need The other 2 and Branthwaite back quickly.

I also keep thinking how good Grealish would look with Baines as his full back, we need 2 x fullbacks who can overlap and play so badly. That should be priority in this window.

But that coupled with the fact that most teams in the prem who have moved grounds won 1 or 2 then suffered a dip and a bounce means its a bit of a slog. Some games we look good, others we dont. We are still points wise miles ahead of where we have been. Get those 2 players back and get 2 x fullbacks in and we will finish top half - which again is a massive improvement.

But you dont go from that squad and basically selling everything you can to stay alive for 5 seasons to then spending a bit of money in 1 summer and all of a sudden being able to properly compete. The squad is threadbare and its going to take its toll in periods like this.

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Posted by joe_euro <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=joe_euro' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 9:55 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Spot on. I do worry about this Aznou signing as it makes no sense he hasn't been given even a couple of runouts when he's been sub 19 times now.

I bet if Mykolenko went down early on yetserday Armstong or Rohl would have come on and Garner gone LB, so that just looks a total bust atm.

Every other Addition is working towards something - even if very slim returns as yet from Rohl, Barry & Dibling.

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Yeah completely agree mate. Im putting the Aznou one down to him being a punt given his pedigree that he would be work in progress but able to deputise and play certain games on a small fee with limited risk

He must be absolutely dreadful. Tbh that Roma game he came on and nearly had to get subbed off again as he was being terrorised and looked like a young lad from the crowd had been given 10 mins to have a go at defending. I remember me and our kid looking at each other and alarm bells were ringing then.

But away from that you can see what we are trying to start to build - but its going to need patience and modern football in general isnt really a place for that. But you generally get rewarded when you show it

I heard someone say yesterday 'imagine we had a player like that Damsgard' - it took him well over a season to adapt and show anything, we would have booed him out the ground well before then. Our fanbase isnt going to let him have that time like a Brentford or a Bournemouth. So getting young players with a cast iron mentality who can get at it quickly is hard and we will get some flops i suppose.

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That last paragraph is the problem we've got isn't it? We want "Brighton/Brentford/Bournemouth" profile players but we also want them to be immediate successes in this league which if they were going to be they wouldn't be going there.

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Yeah exactly that mate

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For whatever intangible reason, this one didn't annoy me so much, at least it was a game of football which the Arsenal one barely was.

So silly to move O'Brien back to right back, assume it was partly worried about their throw ins which is as bad a reason to make a change as you could ever think of - and was not a factor in how the game played in reality.

Hopefully Grealish learns from the two goals a bit, I get why he's reluctant to put it in like that at times given the non-likelihood of the strikers doing anything with it but it is still worth a go more often than he's done. Enjoyed his performance and there were signs Armstrong could improve us.

Most annoying point for me was they haven't scored a goal from a corner all season, and they got one with the most vanilla ball in at the most crucial point of the game. Could see their bench absolutely madeup with it - such a crap one to give away when your team selection (O'Brien) and subs (Beto & Rohl) had added height.

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Posted by ste <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=ste' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 9:37 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Their fourth goal is probably the most embarrassing goal we’ve conceded for absolutely ages. Not even kids teams get that caught out like that

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Agree but I do think what Rohl did was totally unexpected and meant they were all even more wrong footed than they would have been

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Those half time changes were beyond bizarre. Someone said last night that nobody knew were they were playing, I was gone after the third goal but that was a shambolic 5-6 minute period that suggests the manager didn’t communicate his plan well at all.

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Definitley. I was made-up he put Beto on and the two of them there didn't actually look dreadful. But the bit behind them had to go to a tightish 3 and Grealish off them, Rohl going right-hand was silly

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Posted by TeddyBoy <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=TeddyBoy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 10:08 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Rohl did well when he moved to the right against Forest.

Would be interesting to know if the changes were forced or tactical, Dibling I would say tactical but not sure about McNeill as it seems bizarre he would take both off by choice at that stage of the game.

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Posted by Yogi_Clementine <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Yogi_Clementine' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 8:53 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

From where I was sat, broadly opposite it, that corner was far from vanilla. As soon as it was on it's way over I was groaning as it was obviously a problem ball

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Good ball in like, defo

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Posted by MPTEFC <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=MPTEFC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 8:38 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

He musn’t rate Patterson at all.

Will only play him if there is no other option.

I'm MPTEFC I'll park where I like.

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Posted by Hogarth <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Hogarth' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 9:17 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Think Moyes is the fourth manager (Benitez, Lampars, Dyche) that doesn't want to play Patterson.

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Posted by Aberblue1 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Aberblue1' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 9:31 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Far be it for me to defend Benitez, but wasn't he sacked about a week after Patterson signed?

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Oh aye, fair point!

And he did buy him.

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Aye and that's to an extent fair enough but principles of winning team, clean sheet and having to win the shirt back should have over-ruled that here for me. Expecting O'Brien & Dibling to work as a right hand side was just very optimistic

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Posted by MRD <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=MRD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:47 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

Think your post 5 for the Forest win got about 20 responses, no surprise a discussion starter on the blues shite levels sees you raising the bat.
For me we never got going, passing was atrocious, players reverting to worst form and thel full back situation is impacting everything. You can see it happening again in at least one of the next two.

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Posted by efcman4ever <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=efcman4ever' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 11:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

The answer is right there for me. Jake at CB. We have had burnley and Brentford book ending forest

The difference with forest? Pace in the middle of defence.

Ok to have your 3rd choice CB at RB if 1 and 2 are playing. But not if it's 2 and 4.

Midfielders can drop into full back if required (I realise we aren't exactly awash with them either at the moment).

Keane looked really unfit today. It was Newcastle all over again.

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Posted by MRD <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=MRD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 11:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Yeah agree, Tim was at his Newcastle level unfortunately as well.

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Nothing was sticking in midfield.

Bad bad day at the office.

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Posted by Bertram_Wooster <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Bertram_Wooster' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Always the way.

Point 1 makes it clear individual errors cost us more than Moyes, but that seems to have been lost.

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Posted by Boom94 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Boom94' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:25 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

Self appointed hard case?

That’s a load of shite.

Not my words Carol- The words of Top Gear Magazine!!

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Is it? Every fucking game he gets involved in needless bollocks with the opposition. He revels in it.

Today was particularly embarrassing as Thiago was bullying him all over the pitch and all he could do was a snide forearm to the back of the head.

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Yeah it is.

Maybe he does enjoy that side of it , but they’re normally getting accused of being too meek!!

Didn’t Thiago go down like he’d been shot after not getting touched- rubbing his head?

Thiago tore the pair of them apart but the self appointed hard case is nonsense imo.

Got nothing to do with it…

Not that that matters at all in the end obviously -but I don’t reckon calling him out for his standing up to the opposition is really pertinent- when his performance was dogshit otherwise,
That’s all.

I like his combative style tbh- it’s a big part of his game.

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By that, I meant that he seems to make a choice to get involved in the handbags every game - we've taken the piss out of Shelbyville players for doing the same for years.

The stuff at corners is particularly pointless.

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He’d batter you Bertram….

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Fucking hell, that's a low bar.

Anyone can be a hard-case in the Barclays: not like any actual fights ever break out.

He's reportedly a hard lad. So was Dave Watson, and he never resorted to that shite.

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Hahaha i wsnt being serious ffs!

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(I know) 😂

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Posted by Tonytaxi1970 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Tonytaxi1970' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 9:10 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

To be fair, Iroegbunam was dog shit today., As was O'Brien, ,Tarkowski, Mykolenko, McNeil, Dibling, Rohl, Barry and Beto*

*Any more than £25m for Grealish, I would tell Man City to Do one.

Harrison Armstrong did well when he came on.

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Posted by Heisenberg Blue <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Heisenberg+Blue' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:52 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

Since when has Tarkowski been a self appointed hardcase? Made up bombastic shite for effect.

"When I think of Everton, I think of Howard Kendall"

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Every fucking game he gets into these squabbles with opposition players and it's getting very boring.

Doubly so when said opposition have bullied him relentlessly.

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Posted by Billy H <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Billy+H' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Tbf, we all scream for our players to do exactly that. The shite do it Man U city do it can be heard in any part of the ground. Ffs we do it, faux hardcase, we dont we are too nice. Footy, eh.

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Posted by DuncanFerguson9 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=DuncanFerguson9' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 11:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

There's those that scoff at forest for complaining about the refs and then moan at us for not doing the same. Martinez is the answer apparently

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Had anyone suggested that?

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Yep

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Not seen it myself.

He's a cushy life at international level, and huge swathes of our fanbase hate him.

It would be an immensely stupid appointment.

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You.

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What? Bringing him back? Have I bollocks. I liked him as a manager and especially as a person, but that ship's gone.

No chance of it happening: he'd be more divisive than Moyes and hasn't managed a club for a decade.

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You posted he runs around giving it the faux hardcase. Come on bertie lid. You cant have it both ways.

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I think you're mixed up/confused: I was referring to calling for Martinez.

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Ive not mixed anything up, Tarks being a faux hard man is the topic. Yes another poster threw Martinez into the fold, it was the same subject. If it wasnt for Spart, you would be the most wrong posters on here. Chill baby.

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Roberto Martinez? When was he ever a hard man?

DF9 said people were saying he was the solution for Everton. I asked who said that. Unless he meant the bellend at Villa.

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Haha this exchange is glorious……

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Don't get me started on you. Worse than bozo you, look out the window to see which way the crowd is rocking and runs to the front shouting follow me. Goodnight sweet dreams. We go again midweek.

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Posted by Iegs <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Iegs' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 9:10 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

👏👏👏👏

why are you so argumentative? this is obvious stuff

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Posted by Boom94 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Boom94' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2026, 9:28 am, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

“Knee slides..”

Not my words Carol- The words of Top Gear Magazine!!

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this

why are you so argumentative? this is obvious stuff

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🤣

Sleep well Billy….

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I wish, soft lad woke me.

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More water with it, fella. A LOT more water.

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You woke me from my slumber. The topic was Tarkowski being a self appointed hardcase, how are you missing this point, and adding in a secondary comment, it's obvious why you are. Unlucky with that shout also mate, Ive been sober for just over four years. So there is that, as well. Apart from the Roma and test events that is. But you're still wrong on 99.99% of everything.

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Posted by gaizka6 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=gaizka6' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 9:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

He got into one when we were 3-1 down over by the dugout side, that was great, really useful stuff.

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Posted by Oscar_ <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Oscar_' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:30 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

1. All three home drubbings the back four has been the same as today in the same positions. It’s not working, stop doing Moyeswrong.

2. Their goal from a corner, seen it all too often this season. No one attacking the ball at that near post. All too easy.

3. You could tell that when we went two up front that it’s something they have never worked on, no clue whatsoever where to be in terms of working together.

4. I’m at Neil McDonald levels of diatribe towards Mykolenko. A hologram would be more useful.

5. He best not throw the cup game on Saturday . The tit!

It's not a lie if you believe it.

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Posted by McConville1 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=McConville1' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Neil McDonald at Oldham in the 5th round second replay. Never seen a player get as much abuse from his own fans. He was tearing up, couldn't do anything right.

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Yup that home setup is rumbled, 10 yards or more too deep all the time.

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Re 2) Cahill, Naismith and Richarlison used to do that brilliantly for us. I think it's Barry's job now but he doesn't look like he has the balls for it.

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Spot on. Take pride in doing the dirty work , basic stuff. But some don’t seem to have the balls to do it

It's not a lie if you believe it.

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Posted by Alex_T <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Alex_T' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 7:03 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

My daughter did a massive liquid gravy shit during the match and dealing with that was better than watching the remaining 20 minutes

He should have kept Brian at centre back and played Patterson

A half decent right back even in on loan would improve us we need the full backs sorted than relying on the current options

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In other shit news, I had my first one at the new stadium today. It was a lot more pleasant than the one time at goodison (boro fa cup quarter final, we were 1-0 down when I went in and 2-1 up when I came out)

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Posted by ste <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=ste' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:47 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

The most Moyes thing ever. He got dry bummed by a novice today but will still have his fan club defend him

Remember when we used to sack managers for having a dreadful home record. Just the one fella held to account for that.

He needs binning in May. If he stays we’ve won a cup (ha) or got Europe otherwise fuck the cunt off

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Posted by henno05 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=henno05' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

I went so that’s why it happened

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It was because I seen the table yesterday and added 3 points, knew it as soon as I did it

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Posted by Larry_David <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Larry_David' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 7:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

He’ll be here till the end of his contract at least I think. About 75% of our fanbase will defend stuff like today forever, unfortunately.

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Posted by Barra6 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Barra6' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

I don't defend it. It was arguably worse than the Newcastle performance that.

But I'm also not 11 so don't want to sack every manager that throws in the odd shit performance, if the overall trajectory is one of improvement

One mans mediocrity is another man's progress....or something

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Posted by Lancs_Blue <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Lancs_Blue' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Spot on

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Posted by TonskiBeat <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=TonskiBeat' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

We’re missing 4 of our best players pal. With a squad so shite, we struggle.

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Posted by Shandy_Shaw <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Shandy_Shaw' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 9:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Yes but Moyes

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Posted by come_on_pilgrim <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=come_on_pilgrim' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 7:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Why do you think that is?
Loyalty, patience, perspective, rationality?

I don’t think the 75% defend the performance, they also think that was rotten. They defend the steady work being done to improve us and believe that it is slow but bearing some fruit.

Are you 25% fellas all so angry with the rational majority?

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I think a lot of it is misplaced loyalty, but that’s just my opinion. Moyes is what he is - a steady hand with a glass ceiling he will never break through, who will always look to play down our chances to (in part) protect his own reputation. I think he has (inexplicably in my view given his history) loads in the bank with loads of our fans and gets away with stuff like that today where most others absolutely wouldn't. He doesn’t just get away with it - loads will obsessively and systematically jump on anything critical of him. Proper cult like stuff.

He’s done a good job overall in the context of what he took over, though. And a couple of seasons of mid table nothingness is a huge leap forward - that’s obvious too. I just don’t think he’s beyond criticism. I also think he’ll be serving this exact sort of shite up in two trophy-less years, and the same characters will be defending him just as vehemently.

Definitely not angry here either - more resigned, I’d say.

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Posted by efc84 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=efc84' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

I think it's the other way with Moyes.

I reckon he gets more stick, definitely from me, because of his past, and because we know his limitations.

If, for example, the fella who is at roma now, the one that they got from atalanta, or even ancelotti, had come in and inherited the same mess of a squad, finished last season ok, then had us in that 8 or 9 club clutch bouncing between 6th and 14th all season, most of us would deem that as acceptable, on the right trajectory, and absolutely not calling for the manager to be sacked after every loss.

But because its Moyes, that is happening.

I can understand why, like.

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Posted by carlosmacca <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=carlosmacca' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

this is true

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Posted by oh_yeah <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=oh_yeah' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

What would say was the glass ceiling at the start of the season (for this season)?

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I think projecting about what Moyes does in the next two years is pointless. Who cares? If he does well we will be happy if he does shite then he can be sacked and we’ll get somebody else in.

Focusing on what he has achieved and is achieving since he came back is more pertinent and it’s clear that he has done really well overall. This is why the majority back him; as ever it’s based on results.

There is an angry minority, mostly on the internet, who slag him off as soon as we lose using phrases like ‘deserve more’ and ‘unacceptable for this club’. They sound quite entitled and remind me of supporters of another club.

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This. Loads of 'I told you so' when we win and lose.

Be better if we had a thread of what people deem a 'good' season and if he fails to meet that, then dig him out then.

Truth is, we are moving forwards for the first time in years.

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Posted by ste <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=ste' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Staying up and not winning a cup

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Avoidance noted

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What else is there? Ultimately he will do what dyche before him did (before he cried off)

Bar one premier league season we’ve stayed up and not won a cup. The lack of ambition at Everton considering the size of the club is incredible

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What if he got us into Europe?

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Said already today if he gets Europe he gets another season otherwise some one else gets a go. He’s had an awful lot of time and patience that no other manager got. It’s only fair

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What if he arranged for me to shag Kelly O'Reilly on the pitch at half-time?

If we're talking things which won't happen.

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*bookmarks*

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Is he the basketball player?

I’d probably brave the Upper South bog queue, mate.

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You'd rather spend your time in the gents than with Kelly.

Each to their own, I suppose.

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Is he on at the Empire in the new Rocky Horror Picture Show?

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You don't deserve eyes.

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Surely there is ambition?

New ground built, decent players being bought in or loaned, new investors in looking to make money which only happens if we do well.

We have started to make progress and have hopefully broken the relegation-fight loop that we were stuck in and can start to look upwards with a degree of optimism.

Rome wasn’t built in a day and there will still be disasters like today but I see a lot of ambition.

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Posted by Mr OW Bol <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Mr+OW+Bol' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 9:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Do you think Moyes has the ability and bollocks to fully realise that ambition?

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Posted by Moodyblue <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Moodyblue' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 10:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

I think TFG have ambition and Moyes is just the first stepping stone in stabilising the club initially from years of struggles. He won't be here beyond the end of his contract when the next phase begins is my guess. I think TFG will be reasonably content with their plan to date, even with the isolated bumps in the road here and there. They haven't invested mega money without having ambition.

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Do you think they wanted him to stabilize us after the last few years??

Seems to me that would be a good idea for them….:

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Dyche jibbed it and they needed someone sharpish mate. Moyes wasn't part of any master plan, he's done ok and made Dyche look a bit of a cunt in the process.

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So Dyche was the stabilizer? What the fuck was he playing at then?

or they had someone else lined up for the summer?

I agree - but these rushed appointments have worked out largely appallingly for us in recent times….

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Dyche the stabilizer? Nahh. He was merely in the manager's seat when the Yanks took over.

He was part of the plan (short term) by default and Moyes happened to be available when he spewed it.

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Posted by tired <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=tired' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 11:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

sean Dyche- just a shit Edward Woodward

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Don't know Boom. I'm just typing any old shit and hope it makes sense. Blame the fingers for hitting the wrong letters if it's rubbish.

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You mean almost like this - "loads will obsessively and systematically jump on anything critical of him. Proper cult like stuff" but the other way round??

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No, you’re not getting it. It’s good to be disappointed when we lose and offer some fair criticism of the manager and players. Today they are open to loads of criticism and there are myriad views on how they got it so wrong.

It’s the entitled minority who slag him off as soon as we lose who really irk me.

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I think he's a cunt whether Everton win, lose or draw. An arrogant ballbag who shit on the club and got a guard of honour for it.

A great manager if you want a better class of mediocrity free of relegation worry. That's it. Or want to win the European Autoglass.

He'll keep Everton about 10th this season. For that he should be thanked and then shown the door.

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Indeed. I laugh a lot when Evertonians call other Evertonians entitled btw. Imagine going the match for 3 or 4 decades watching largely shit sides and not getting near success and being called entitled by some fucking twat on the internet 😆

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"If you don't want Moyes you're irrational", or variations of it, has popped up from various lads on the board, as if we're turning our noses up at a behemoth of the game serving up champagne football and title challenges.

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Posted by Jimmys_Arch <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Jimmys_Arch' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

You just want him sacked despite never saying you want him sacked or giving a short list of available managers who could do a better job and not asking for a 500k job as a director of football job is already in place to do but accepting that posting on a Everton fan site should be doing...more something

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Bad phone typing nonsense on public transport aside....unless you are a highly paid director of football, I was being sarcastic.

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He was being sarcastic, I reckon

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Gah

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It’s more of a ‘it’s rational to say Moyes has done well since he come back’ from what I can see but I guess people can see what they want to see.

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We're not in a relegation dogfight, so it's all ok.

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Posted by ste <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=ste' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 7:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

“They’ve spent a billion pounds what do you expect” not quite washing today especially as we had 2 days extra to prepare.

However, he genuinely can’t do anything wrong for some people but he has to in may if these owners mean business

I heard an argument on the way out today when someone was vehemently defending Moyes and the withering response that was met with utter silence was “if he’s so good why are you leaving on 60 minutes against fucking Brentford” a Knock out blow

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Ha, no comeback to that!

I think they’ll be sound with a few seasons of mid table nothingness and remaining part of the insane PL gravy train, so suspect he’s really safe.

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Moyes is involved in recruitment.....we buy shit players.....Moyes is working with shit players who only cost tens of millions.....poor Moyes

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Posted by fourchette <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=fourchette' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 7:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

He’s been here for a year. He’s had one transfer window. He’s got 4 first teamers (I think) out. We were collectively shite today.

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He’s had nearly 15 years mate. It’s all stuff we’ve all seen before. He’s not the future. He’s the past and not even a successful one. It’s insane that he’s our manger in 2026. A new ground new owners massively expensive tickets and all this hospitality. And we’ve got a fella from 20 years ago making all the same mistakes. It’s not a little family business that he ran back then, and got away with it

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Posted by fergusduncanson <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=fergusduncanson' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 8:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

He’s gone in the summer I reckon.

He is 100% here by default; if Dyche had toughed it out there is no way the new owners are looking at Moyes last summer.

It can’t be denied that he built some terrific teams with very little money or pulling power, but this bloody awful image Everton have these days (and for the last couple of decades) as a “best of the rest” or nowadays low-mid table battlers has led to a ridiculous identity crisis that is becoming part of our DNA.

Any desire to want better or more is met with sarcasm, patronising head patting or outright derision. Regardless of how things ended Sir Bob was mocked for talking us UP incessantly!

Actually I’m being unfair on Moyes - it was Walter Smith who started it, and it’s up to the next lod to dismantle it.

God knows who this will be though! We need the unshakable self belief of early Mourinho or Clough and I’m not sure who that is these days..

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Every team must be full strength....he's had a few of these..can we not criticise multi millionaire professionals paid handsomely to win football games who then fail to do so....can you be my boss please?

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" ... Will still have his fan club defend him"?

Do you mean some people will judge things rationally?

Come on, mate, you're better than this.

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1). Ridiculous goal (Tarkowski at fault for that) after a half-decent start and we never recovered.

2). Dibling. While players can’t always put in world class displays every five minutes, and that’s totally fine, they can at least try.

I thought in terms of basic effort it, his was up there with the worst 45 minutes I can remember.

3). No one knowing where they were playing at the start of that second half.

4). We need - been saying this for years - to get on at these officials more during a match. In a smart way. Brentford did it throughout, in ones or twos, also did the old Man Utd lite swarming around the ref once or twice, too. And in small part thanks to this - and incompetence - their relentless time wasting went unpunished.

5). Keane and Tarkowski is really ropey at home, we are too far back, and it’s not how we need to go play here. O Brien needs to play there and we need a right back now or Patterson to get some games at home. Yes, Patterson.

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Your Dibling point it what i was trying to get at in the Thiago thread below - no idea how we keep finding these lads who look so terrified/overwhelmed that they don’t/can’t even have a bit of a go. Ndiaye is the only exception I can think of who wasnt already an established top player(KDH, Grealish, Gana etc etc). That Rohl looks close to tears as well.

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Was Rohl that bad? The game was beyond lost when he came on and like Patterson played in a win in the week and was fucked off today. No wonder some lads look shocked to shit when they’ve got that cunt “managing” them

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He was stitched up and the formation was aots but I think he should be backing himself a bit more and putting himself about a bit at least. Looking sad and shrugging all the time is infuriating to me - he’s on the pitch for Everton in the PL, he should at least be looking to express himself a bit.

It’s early doors and I’m probably being ott cos we were so shit - hopefully he comes good, but I don’t understand why these lads can’t be a bit more belligerent and determined/resilient.

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Posted by KentBlue81 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=KentBlue81' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 7:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Surely that's the scouts job to find those sort of characters! The message from Southampton was that he was a real homeboy which doesn't fill me with confidence for a move to Liverpool.

That said, playing him in front of o brien is hanging him out to dry.

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Posted by Iegs <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Iegs' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

the subs and subsequent second half were bizarre. playing beto and barry together for 45 mins when it’s only 0-1 is real “sending a message” stuff from moyes. doubling it up with whatever was going on on the right hand side was unnecessary

why are you so argumentative? this is obvious stuff

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Posted by ste <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=ste' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Moyes isn’t that clever, in fact he’s stupid really. The sending a message stuff gives him way too much credit

He has a basic plan A and absolutely no plan B

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what’s the explanation for those subs then? he’d have been better off doing nothing

why are you so argumentative? this is obvious stuff

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Agreed, couldn’t get my head round the thinking at all.

If there was thinking, I’m not sure there was. No one knew what was going on.

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Barry didn't have a clue how to play off Beto they didn't look like they had ever trained like that

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Posted by MPTEFC <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=MPTEFC' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

If he wanted them two upfront, switching to 3 at the back made more sense.

Pickford

O’Brien
Tarkowski
Keane

Patterson
Garner
Tim
Grealish
Mykolenko

Barry
Beto

Would have got an extra man in midfield as well.

I'm MPTEFC I'll park where I like.

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it was the classic “what am I meant to do” moyes gimmick, and the marks will lap it up as per

why are you so argumentative? this is obvious stuff

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The smart lads who have all the angles covered on multiscreen but have never been to a match won’t be fooled though, will they, legs?

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yeah, good one that

why are you so argumentative? this is obvious stuff

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We can’t be expected to beat Brentford who had 2 days less to prepare and lost their manager and best players in the summer.

Remember when people said they were nailed on for relegation this season.

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Posted by Dirk Hoffman <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Dirk+Hoffman' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:20 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

6. Calamity Keane being back to his worst again. Why change a winning team?

The only survivor of the National People's Gang.

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We don’t need the Moyes out shouts every time we get beat.

Bit of realism is needed - we are mid table and 3 points off 5th.

If you would have asked any Evertonian that at the start of the season then only I think only a mad man would have expected more. We’ve done well, improved a lot, and yes there is still a way to go.

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Realism is negative.

We should be clear at the top and if you accept any less you lack ambition and pride and you're a Moyes apologist.

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12th is bottom half

We’ve just had our third absolute fucking at home and they’ve all been to sides below us.

The poor Moyes shite needs fucking off. We need ambition and progression not this race to the bottom shite that this cunt embodies.

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I think he’s moved us further away from the bottom since he arrived.
What’s this race to the bottom that you speak of?

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I want him gone at the end of the season, neither sooner nor later.

If Everton are going to progress beyond respectable mediocrity, then the king of it has to go along with the shite on the pitch, many of whom he has admittedly been lumbered with by previous managers.

He's done the job he was appointed to do and done it well. I don't think he's capable of the next step.

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I'm pleased with the job moyes has done overall but agree with you that I would love us to get someone else in in the summer - if Glasner wanted to come he would be great for us.

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Posted by santo_1878 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=santo_1878' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:02 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

While we're all wading in on Tarkowski, is anyone else sick and tired of his nonsense every time we get a corner? You're just waiting for the referee to blow for a foul.

Fückoff mate, and try concentrating on getting your head on the fücking ball please, as you're actually quite good at that.

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I can only think he's stood next to the keeper because of orders, he should be steaming into the 6 yard box as it's arriving.

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Yup. He should be on the penalty spot, looking to come in and meet it.

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Posted by StringerBellend01 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=StringerBellend01' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:59 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

Whilst I understand everyone’s knee jerk reactions etc.. we are rebuilding and let’s remember the fact we have survived relegation for a few years, so are in a good position and improving.

I don’t expect much business this window and if we do any, that’ll be a bonus for me but I think we will make further good transfers in the summer and I have faith in these new owners. KFH was a boss buy and out of nowhere for me so I’m hoping the recruitment team have a few players in their sites for the summer.

Trying to be positive here and thinking we are doing some things right

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Posted by Walter fagan <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Walter+fagan' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:52 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

Dibling I’m really not sure
Beto or Barry “oh no there’s two of them”
Rhol couple of crosses in seconds before 4th goal
Tarkowski convincing Tim he was to blame for 1st and his subsequent capitulation
McNeil having one (100) of them days

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I fear Wolves will turn us over as well now.
We got simply got overan in midfield.

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Posted by Toffeenation23 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Toffeenation23' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:50 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

1. The O’Brien experiment at RB needs to be over. A half fit Keane today and a disrupted back 4 was not the answer. Playing favourites again
2. Tim was shite. Like proper shite. Like against Newcastle shite
3. We are proper bare bones at the minute, that was always coming. KDH, Gana, NDiaye, Branthwaite etc are huge misses
4. Dibling scared of his own shadow. However plays better with an actual full back
5. I still think 28 points is a good return with Barry and Beto up top

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Barry and Beto will never be the answer for anyone, maybe one off the bench when needed but we deserve a better centre forward, end of story

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That depends on the question I reckon string …

If, for example, the question was “who are the two most mind bogglingly shite Everton strikers in recent memory…”

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Nailed booms, nailed

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Posted by Sergeant Slaughter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Sergeant+Slaughter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

You could name about 20 to be fair.

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Posted by kitters <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=kitters' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:46 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

Special mention to Rohl, Jesus wept he’s sh1te.

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Posted by solent_toffee <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=solent_toffee' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:41 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

Full backs need to be sorted ASAP

Dibling was last today but it doesn’t help having O’Brien behind him and never receiving a decent pass from him.

Tarkovski’s pass for their first goal was shocking. Needs a rocket up him for his overall performance today.

Very obvious but missing KDH, Ndiaye and Gueye is brutal at the moment.

Chance to go again against Wolves with a far more solid set up and attitude hopefully.

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Posted by JohnD <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=JohnD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Feel a bit sorry for Dibling. No support whatsoever and surrounded by opposition all the time - usually with about an inch of space to the sideline.

"My victorious roar of "MY TURN NOW!!" probably still haunts her dreams.
"

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Feel a bit sorry for Dibling. No support whatsoever and surrounded by opposition all the time - usually with about an inch of space to the sideline.

"My victorious roar of "MY TURN NOW!!" probably still haunts her dreams.
"

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Posted by EFC_Ray <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=EFC_Ray' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 5:37 pm, in reply to "Knee Jerk 5"

I make you spot on with pretty much every word of that

Id just like to add that Merlin Rohl looks absolutely woeful, and not just in that game, watch him when we dont have the ball, absolutely no desire to pressure or press or try to tackle, another waste of complete money by everton, jesus!

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I don’t know what he is meant to be.

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Posted by tattyhead <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=tattyhead' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

He’s on loan from Freiburg, isn’t he?

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Posted by Fazak_Blue <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Fazak_Blue' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2026, 6:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Knee Jerk 5"

Obligated to buy him if we don't go down. No wonder he looks shite as hes deffo trying to get away from Moylesy. I'd be blammoing own goals in all over the shop if I was him.

Re: Knee Jerk 5

I've read that we're obliged to buy him unless we're relegated.

Seems odd to me.

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