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England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Platinii <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Platinii' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:06 pm

Definites

*
Duckett
**
Root
Brook
Stokes
Smith ***
Archer
Atkinson
Wood if fit/Tongue?
****

*** I think Smith is a definite, but they need to work on his mental side. Looked absolutely terrified in this innings

* Crawley has a decent average of 43 against Aussies, though only 27 in Oz. His overall test average of 32 at this level seems to be where he's at. That's probably not good enough, but on his day he can do it, and he has a good partnership with Duckett, which showed some real glimpses of a quality start in this series. Probably too late to break this partnership up?

** I can't get away with Pope. Another with an average on the low side - 35. Averaged 34 this series which was only 12th highest in a series dominated by batting. There are are a few stats which really worry me about him as a player. Although he averages 35.36, there is a huge drop off between first and second innings, averaging 46.69 in the first and 19.8 in the second. There will always be a natural drop off as wickets deteriorate, but that's off a cliff. His averages also tail off at the end of series, averaging 36, 31, 37, 29 and 13.5 in the fifth. His record against the Aussies is really poor. 15.7 in 10 innings, with 11.16 in 6 innings down under. He might get one century, but I think he will be a liability. Who could replace him?

**** Bashir looks like a lamb to the slaughter, and Dawson is nothing more than capably tight who can bat a bit. What's John Embury doing these days?

Need back up for Stokes and Archer, as I can't see them lasting 5 full on tests.

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by joe_euro <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=joe_euro' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 4:02 pm, in reply to "England side to face the Aussies"

Its a tough one.

Crawley 100% plays, dont think there's any point thinking about that.

Pope I actually would move down the order if you rate Bethell, but to go from what he showed in this game to 3 in Australia is a stretch. If absolutely pushed I'd go

1 Duckett
2 Crawley
3 Bethell
4 Root
5 Brook
6 Smith
7 Stokes
8 Dawson
9 Atkinson
10 Wood
11 Archer

But I dont think they rate/like Dawson so not what will happen. Pace bowling is sound as you've got Carse and Tongue too as backup. If you put Bashir in and shift everyone up I think the tail looks took sketchy.

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by bluelordloverocket <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=bluelordloverocket' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 3:35 pm, in reply to "England side to face the Aussies"

Crawley will play. They have a good partnership, and its quite important to the setup. Those 2 get going they can take games away from teams in literally an hour / 90 mins. Nature of the beast, you get silly dismissals and he isnt brilliant, but the conditions should suit and he offers so much more than anyone else that can go in there when he gets in, and seems to help Duckett bring his A game as well. Those 2 deffo open for me.

Pope isnt a test 3 in a million years for me, he is a bigger issue in my eyes. Im just not sure there is anyone you could bring in - thats what is keeping him there and will probably keep him there at this point.

We have no spinner - Leach is probably still the best spin option we have, closely followed by Root.

The whole thing is dependent on Archer, Wood and Stokes being able to play 4 plus games at the same time. Which is unlikely. And even then, its hard to do anything down there without a decent spinner and we dont have one.

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Nick-H <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Nick-H' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 3:50 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

What’s Ecclestone up to this winter?

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Bainesy003 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Bainesy003' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:08 pm, in reply to "England side to face the Aussies"

Pope will play at 3. Crawley maybe they’ll look at Sibley again

Bashir Dawson and Hartley will probaly be taken over in the spin department

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by hilary_briss <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=hilary_briss' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:08 pm, in reply to "England side to face the Aussies"

Id have tried Bethell at three earlier. As it is there is no time for drastic changes now so Crawley and Pope will be both play and both continue to be mediocre at the very best. Never known such average players to get so long

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Platinii <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Platinii' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:35 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

They've both had 107 test innings, averaging 35.36 and 31.55.

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Posted by ste <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=ste' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:49 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

Bethell averages 27 in first class cricket! Not sure how he gets in any position never mind 3. He might do eventually but he’s not there yet.

CHEER UP, PLUMS

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by joe_euro <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=joe_euro' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 4:03 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

I think you either go all in with him there or stick with Pope. There are other players obvs but don't see who else they pick

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Platinii <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Platinii' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 2:29 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

He seems to be all potential, but this is way too early for him. They've not managed his test time very well. Should've been nowhere near this test.

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Posted by Merson <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Merson' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 2:06 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

The selections have been weird for a while now. They keep putting players in who've had little match practice (Bethall had 3 t20 innings in about 6 weeks before that test, Overton barely plays FC cricket for Surrey), or are really young and inexperienced (Bethall, Bashir, Josh Hull). Dan Lawrence opening was another strange call. It really tough on these lads to throw them in and expect performances, 'mindset' only gets you so far.

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Platinii <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Platinii' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 2:31 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

Spot on. Surely they start to learn this mindset through test matches against teams that aren't one of the top two in the world, and by playing some actual county cricket! McCullum seems to think practice and actual batting/bowling time isn't important.

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by ste <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=ste' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:08 pm, in reply to "England side to face the Aussies"

Crawley and Pope both definitely in for me

I’d also take Dawson and use him over bashir, them leaving Dawson out at the oval ultimately cost the game

CHEER UP, PLUMS

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by hilary_briss <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=hilary_briss' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:09 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

Dawson doesn't turn the ball at all. He's decent with the bat but will get smashed over there. Bashir isn't good enough either.

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Merson <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Merson' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:47 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

Our spinners always get smashed over there, Swann included. Might be best to pick 4 quicks plus stokes, rather than having a spinner for the sake of it. Aussie pitches have been seam friendly recently as well

Re: England side to face the Aussies

Posted by Otto <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/everton-forum/info/user=Otto' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 4, 2025, 1:17 pm, in reply to "Re: England side to face the Aussies"

Joe Root it is then!

Fat wheezy boy with a note from Matron

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