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Parker Family - West Teignmouth

Posted by Yasmin on 5/8/2024, 10:43 am

Good Morning,
Can anyone help with this query.

I have a William John Edmends Parker his birth is registered in Dec Qtr 1841 in Newton Abbot, I cannot find a Baptism although both his brothers were baptised as Wesleyan Methodist in Teignmouth Devon. He is the son of Joseph Warren Parker and Jane Monk.

A William Parker showing on the 1851 and 1861 census with his parents Joseph and Jane Parker. When searching for further I find a marriage for a William Warren Parker to Emma Webber in 1867 Father given as Joseph Parker.

My problem is on the marriage entry the name is William Warren Parker age given as 24 years which puts his birth around 1843, I cannot find a birth entry for him and I cannot find a death entry for the William John Edmends Parker born in 1841.
His maternal grandmother was an Edmonds and his maternal great grandmother was a Warren so either middle name fits.

I have searched the GRO indexes and also the parish burial registers for West Teignmouth the area where William J E Parker’s family lived, I have also searched the GRO Indexes and parish baptism registers for William W Parker with no success.
Has anyone any suggestions of how I work out if they are different people or the same one who just changed his name.

Thanks in advance
Yasmin

Re: Parker Family - West Teignmouth

Posted by Karen Newman on 7/8/2024, 7:34 am, in reply to "Parker Family - West Teignmouth"

On the marriage cert, both Joseph and William as shown as cordwainers. This matches their occupations on the 1861 census.

William signs by a mark, so he would not have been able to read his name on the cert.

However, his father is shown as William Warren, not William Warren Parker.

There's this birth with no MMN (possible red herring):

WARREN, WILLIAM -
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 10 Page 159

Re: Parker Family - West Teignmouth

Posted by Judith on 5/8/2024, 7:42 pm, in reply to "Parker Family - West Teignmouth"

Might be an idea to get the certificate to see who registered him. If it was his father, then he put his mothers maiden name down, more than likely that he got muddled and forgot that his wife wanted her mothers name!! I think the one in 1861 is giving the right age, as he appears registered in 1842 in December qtr, and on the census he is 19, because it was done before his 20th birthday.
My grandfather was supposed to have been baptised and registered using the mothers maiden name as well, but his father forgot, so it got left off!!!
There is another William who died in 1842, aged 8 so there may have been another one before your William, and they wanted to have the name kept in the family. It was quite a "tradition". if a baby/child died and the mother was expecting at the time, then the new baby if of the same sex, was often named after the one which had died. a bit macabre some might think, but that is the way it was.
Don't worry, looks as if you have all the right details, (not necessarily in the right order!!, to coin a phrase).

Re: Parker Family - West Teignmouth

Posted by Sally Topliss on 5/8/2024, 2:23 pm, in reply to "Parker Family - West Teignmouth"

William and Emma seemed to have both altered their ages through most of the census. Emma Webber baptised 1844, Brushford, Somerset, so her age was incorrect on marriage. There is a William J. E. Parker died Dec Q 1923, buried 06.12.1923. aged 83 Teignmouth, according to Find a Grave, as William John E. Parker. Emma (Webber) Parker also seems to have died same Quarter aged 79. They are on 1921 census in Teignmouth, again with ages inconsistent and with daughter Florence. Might be worthwhile obtaining the death certificate to see if this your William Warren.

Re: Parker Family - West Teignmouth

Posted by Judith on 5/8/2024, 7:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Parker Family - West Teignmouth"

on the census you have when he is a child what is the age shown? might be more accurate than the marriage cert.

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