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Posted by David Murrian on 30/8/2022, 7:32 am

I recall seeing recently a comment that pre-civil registration occasionally grandparents were the ones having a child baptised but without their status being noted in the Baptism Register. I have recently been looking at the Baptism Register for Teigngrace and have been puzzled by the details of 3 baptisms where such a practice regarding grandparents involvement could well be an explanation. Does anyone know whether such practice might indeed be occasionally known.

Thanks, David

Re: Baptisms

Posted by Christine Gibbins on 30/8/2022, 9:19 am, in reply to "Baptisms"

I have this in our tree, seems in both cases the eldest daughter had a child and the grandparents had it baptised as their own, perhaps to avoid a scandal?

Re: Baptisms

Posted by David Murrian on 30/8/2022, 10:38 am, in reply to "Re: Baptisms"

Thank you Christine.

My problem is that I believe that the children in question had both parents alive but the names on the Baptism Register were not theirs but those of the grandparents. So I wondered??

David

Re: Baptisms

Posted by Karen Newman on 30/8/2022, 4:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Baptisms"

If the baptism is in the residence of the grandparents and/or the parents, I think it unlikely that they would have been able to pass the child off as theirs.

It would have been difficult (though not impossible, I concede) to conceal a pregnancy, and the priest/vicar would presumably not have been fooled.

The age of the grandmother would also be a factor. Would they have been too old to have given birth?

Re: Baptisms

Posted by David Murrian on 2/9/2022, 11:45 am, in reply to "Re: Baptisms"

Sorry got a bit confused initially with the Couch name.
A William Murrin married a Mary Couch in 1802 and they had 8 children, including an Edward and a William.
Edward married an Ann(e) Garde in 1832 and William married an Ann Warrell(in 1842.
A Mary Couch Murrin (born 1849) seems to be living with Edward and Ann(e) in the Census years of 1851 and 1861 as their daughter.
However looking at the Baptism Register for 29 April 1849 the parents name for Mary Couch Murrin (bap. when she was 3 weeks old) is clearly given as William and Ann.
But the GRO index has the mothers maiden name for all of the children of William and Ann as being Warren except in the case of Mary Counch Murrin where GRO says the maiden name of her mother was Gard.
Haven't got a birth cert. but this suggests to me that she was actually a daughter of Edward and Ann, and that the named parents in the Register were actually an uncle and his wife.
Apologies for having erroneously suggested those named were grandparents but in any case the Register gives no indication of the true relationship of those named as parents.

David

Re: Baptisms

Posted by Deborah on 3/9/2022, 8:43 am, in reply to "Re: Baptisms"

I think it's simply a case of the cleric writing the wrong father's name in the baptismal register. Birth certificate should clarify.

Re: Baptisms

Posted by David Murrian on 3/9/2022, 4:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Baptisms"

Thanks I was already thinking that that was my next step

David

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