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Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Adam on 15/8/2022, 7:51 am

Hi. I wonder if someone could help and double-check a document online. I have had help previously from some wonderful people on here before regarding Orlando Hallett and want to follow it up. I have looked at images on FMP for Orlando, especially those from the 'British Royal Navy and Royal Marine Service pension records'. One column in the ledger is headed 'In what ship wounded and last served.' In one or two ledgers, next to Orlando it appears to have been written 3rd Div and in others 3 DRM. I believe this would mean he is in the Royal Marines, Plymouth Division. If anyone has access to FMP could you double check this for me please? If he was in the Royal Marines and not the Royal Navy. If this is the case the attestations for him (time of enlistment) do not exist and I need to consult the Description books at TNA. I don't want a wasted journey (hour and a half drive) looking at records that he does not appear in.
Many thanks in advance.

Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Judith on 15/8/2022, 11:23 am, in reply to "Double-check- Royal Marine or not?"

Not got find my past but checked Ancestry and there are 2 entries there, if its the same one. He is on list for the Waterloo medal Roll, served as a private with the 3rd battalion Royal Scots under Captain James Cowells company.

another entry shows he started 25.5.1815 served until 24.6.1815, with 1st Regt foot 3rd Battalion Royal Scots and was wounded at Brussels.

The Royal Marines are also known as the "soldiers of the sea", perhaps Orlando was serving at the time before we know them as the Royal Marines?
Hope this is of help. Not sure what dates you are looking at, so I could be a bit out if there is another chap with the same name.

Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Adam on 15/8/2022, 12:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?"

Hi Judith, thanks for your reply. Up until a short while ago I thought that this was 'my' man and have done a considerable amount of research on his military career (I mean how many Orlando Halletts could there be out there?) but the date of birth was 10 years out and his birth place was non-existent. He married in 1810 in Plymouth when he was mustered in Spain! (Has the original parish register of marriages for St George East Stonehouse been lost? I would like to see the original entry but it does not seem to exist other than a basic transcription)
All of this and subsequent information i.e. the record sets on FMP and a previous reply to a post suggests a different person.

Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Judith on 15/8/2022, 12:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?"

Yes the records are confusing. There is another one, son of Orlando and Sarah of Somerton, baptised 1791,perhaps Somerton known as Somer, and info mis heard?
same age as Jane when they married(could have been a bit older depending how old when baptised.
Also there is a record at National archives, says he was born Homer Somerset, perhaps the non existent place you found?
National archives says he was in 1st foot, and discharged aged 31. But no date.
There is a tree on ancestry giving parents as William and Sarah, but that child died. Baptised in 1774, and buried in 1777 not baptised. Burial is in a list of baptisms but with a number, which follows on from other burials also included in baptism lists, (think this must be Bishops transcripts list)That was at Yeovil.
Will keep looking.

Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Judith on 15/8/2022, 1:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?"

found another one! son of Henry and Elizabeth baptised Aug 1786, at Trent, which is within shouting distance of Ilchester, Somerset.
discharged Dublin, from 1st Batt Royal Scots, discharged 21.12.1917, pensioner from hospital
Henry listed as Hallot, mother Holloway/Holway
Orlando joined aged 21 in 1807, at Portsmouth, says he was born Ilchester
I think you need to check all the spellings with this one!! sorry, more work.

Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Adam on 15/8/2022, 2:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?"

Thanks for all your investigating, Judith.
I have done quite a bit on Orlando over the years. The 'Homer' place of birth referred to in the service record of the Orlando you found (and the one I thought was 'mine' is possibly Domer as in Chilthorn Domer, again misheard).
The 'new' documents in the British Army Service Records on FMP appears to disprove that the infantryman is not my forebear but a Royal Marine. My Orlando is the one born in Yeovilton and died in 1853 in Plymouth.
If he is a Royal Marine I need to check the description book to confirm place and date of birth.

Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Judith on 15/8/2022, 2:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?"

Cracked it!! there was an Orlando Hallet baptised 1774 Yeovilton, son of William and Elizabeth,but he died and was buried June 1777 , this comes up as a baptism, but is wrong, definitely burial. looking at the next page on the original, at the top of page in faded lettering September 1777 on 28th William and Elizabeth have another Orlando baptised, so she must have been pregnant when the other one died, and as was the custom!!! called the "new" one Orlando. The entry is very difficult to read, but am sure it is right. don't think it is listed anywhere. Hope this sorts his birth out, for you, and you can eliminate some of the records you have been looking at.

Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?

Posted by Judith on 15/8/2022, 2:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Double-check- Royal Marine or not?"

William and Elizabeth Lye Married 18.2.1754
The death I found was 1775, not 1777, bad figure, and the baptism in 1777 recorded as 8th Sept but looks like 28th to me.
Given his age, and his parents length of marriage, when he was born, it is possible that his baptismal parents were his grandparents, and that would account for the difference in ages. Not uncommon for child to be baptised by adoptive parents as theirs.
He was in court in 1841 giving his aged as 65 which would give a birth of 1776 possibly.(not guilty)
marriage records for Orlando and Jane would not give the details re occupation, fathers name etc,that only came in later.

Does not help with your search re military, sorry!!

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