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Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!

Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 12:20 pm

The Right is pushing the narrative that the shutdown is because:

The Left is pushing for "a $1.5 trillion spending spree that funds healthcare for illegal immigrants" that is a direct quote from a Republican politician and is the standard talking point they are using to blame the Left for the shutdown.

That is extremely misleading at best, a flat out lie in my opinion. MAGA loyalists will believe it.
It's a lie.

Someone in the U.S. illegally cannot sign up for "Obamacare" or Medicaid and the Left is not proposing that they should be able to. They want to extend the subsidies that lower and middle income people can use to make healthcare within their reach. Normal, everyday Americans who are legal US citizens. NOT undocumented folks.

The Right will point to the fact that, by Federal Law, hospitals cannot refuse emergency treatment to anyone who does not have insurance or cannot afford to pay. If hospitals could not get some Medicaid reimbursement for this emergency treatment they could be come insolvent or shut down Emergency Departments.

The Right's refusal to extend these subsidies are going to result in premiums going up or even skyrocketing for everyone with Healthcare.

Blame whoever you want for the shutdown, but don't believe the lies being told by MAGA.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 12:35 pm, in reply to "Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Once again, MAGA is a movement, NOT A POLITICAL PARTY.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 1:17 pm, in reply to "Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Basically, the Democrats want to give in to BIG PHARMA.

Of course, makes sense, big donors and all.

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Numbers are fun…

Posted by MyPillowGuy <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=MyPillowGuy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 1:52 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs/industry-detail/H04/2024

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Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!

Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 2:32 pm, in reply to "Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Your entire comment is a rabid partisan slant. I can’t let it slide.

Dang, I wish I could.

The Democrats are insisting on at the least, $320 million for security for lawmakers.

The Republican amount proposed is $88 million.

Mind you, this Country is debt $35.3 Trillion, having interest payments averaging $3 Billion dollars a day.

Money trees do not grow in the United States.

Trump ~ Global Symbol of Freedom

Re: Numbers are fun…

PAC’s play both sides, I’m aware of that.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 3:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

I didn't say it was a political party. So Republican politicians are not a part of MAGA? lolol

Lame argument, Blu.. and doesn't address the issue.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 3:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Huh? Double Lame.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 3:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

You heavily implied it.

“don't believe the lies being told by MAGA.”

No wiggle room.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 3:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

I don't need any wiggle room, I'll stand by that remark... it's very telling when someone has to pick apart the irrelevant because they can't dispute a fact.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 3:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Deflect because you cannot defend the "big, beautiful lie"

The primary talking point the Right is using (and I would bet it's an officially created talking point) is the Dems want to provide free health care for illegals.

It's sad they have to create this lie, but what's really said is the MAGA faithful will believe it.

I heard a regular everyday citizens say, and I quote "why should we pay for illegals to have healthcare when we can barely afford it and we are
Americans"

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 3:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

The Democrats are standing strong (probably AOC since she unnecessarily freaks out over nothing). From the looks of net-worth accrued from somewhere other than payroll, it would seem they could monetarily contribute to their own security, instead of demanding it come from American tax payer earnings.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 4:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Once again, that is not the issue the Republicans are touting as the reason the government is shut down.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 4:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

This isn’t deflection, this is fact based reality.

320,000,000 - 88,000,000 = 232,000,000

$232,000,000 Million Dollars equals an enormous increase.

Seriously, that’s more than triple.

Remember, interest payments are averaging $3 Billion dollars a day on our National debt.

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Posted by warrior hockey mom <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=warrior+hockey+mom' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 4:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

My research shows 14 states provide health care of illegals. Illinois is one of them and California is another. Didn't Newsom just ask for federal money to help bail them out? So the states decide to give free health care but then turn to the federal government for bail out. Sounds like free healthcare for illegals on the backs of taxpayers. I don't see the "lie" Republicans are telling. I see Democrats putting Illegals ahead of Americans once again. JMO

Be who you are and say what you feel..because those that matter don't mind..and those that mind..don't matter.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 4:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Uhm, you quoted “one” Republican using his comment as your proclamation and provided no context.

There are I believe three valid disputes the Republicans have.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 4:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Fiscal responsibility matters here. Why are they holding strong to this astronomical amount of money, refusing to negotiate?

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 5:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

WHM - you are correct and it's mostly children who are covered.

That's up to individual states and is not related to the issue Republicans are claiming Dems want.

Once again, this legislation is not allowing any illegal immigrants healthcare. They don't and won't get it for free and they can't even use subsidies that make it affordable for everyday Americans.

You say : Sounds like free healthcare for illegals on the backs of taxpayers. --not in this bill... that may be true in those 14 states, but that's a different issue.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 5:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Irrelevant to the point I was making with this post.

So yes, it is deflection. A primary symptom of a Trump Delusional Supporter.. i.e. TDS

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Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 5:39 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Soccer

Thank you for pointing out the second big lie ( first is rigged electionin 2020)
that Trump and company are pushing about federal health care for Illegals. It is a very easy lie to debunk.

You are correct many MAGA will believe that lie.. others will deflect from the point of your post.

It is a part of TDS = Trump Delusional Supporter
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Posted by warrior hockey mom <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=warrior+hockey+mom' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 6:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

I don’t see it that way . Illegal goes to ER , they don’t pay the state does ( on the backs of taxpayers) then that state falls short in funds because they have paid for the healthcare of illegals and the first place they go for help is the federal government . Where does the federal government get money ? The tax payers ! It was the Dems that opened the borders and created this mess and now want to blame MAGA and Trump for everything !! Literally EVERYTHING! This is a Dem problem and a Dem shut down . Shouldn’t have opened up the borders to everyone and then expect Americans to foot the bill .

Be who you are and say what you feel..because those that matter don't mind..and those that mind..don't matter.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 6:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Legal citizens who cannot afford or get healthcare go to the ER as well and it does cost taxpayers. How many of them are illegal? I don't know, but that's a different issue than what has the government shut down.

Your opinion, no surprise. My opinion this is absolutely on the backs of the Republicans and they are misleading and lying to the public..... as usual.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 6:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Yes, relevant because you are trying to push the false narrative that the only reason for the shut down is because MAGA Republicans don’t want a provision of federal funding of healthcare to be appropriated for illegal immigrants.

Biden’s federal subsidies act was a rescue package due to Covid, it was temporary, we are no longer in a pandemic.

Hospitals and emergency services operated efficiently until Covid and the massive influx of illegal immigrants pouring into our Country during Biden’s administration along with heightened drug trafficking, human trafficking and burdening our social systems.

If what you predict, or are parroting from the Democratic Party as a scare tactic appears, it certainly doesn’t say much for Obamacare, does it?

And the Medicaid cuts, they want to reverse those as well. They don’t like the “work requirement” stipulation, even though, it’s only 20 hours of work, volunteering, bartering, or programs. Able bodied individuals only.

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Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 6:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Ok, Democrats want to claim it isn't happening, then they shouldn't have an issue with putting about 6 exclamation points after new safeguards to make sure it doesn't happen in the future.

“ICE announcing a brand new operation to conduct welfare checks on the 450,000 children that the Biden administration placed with unvetted sponsors..”

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Posted by Joe Smith <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Joe+Smith' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 6:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Its simple, they are appeasing the kooks.

“ICE announcing a brand new operation to conduct welfare checks on the 450,000 children that the Biden administration placed with unvetted sponsors..”

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2025, 6:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

No misleading, just conjecture on your part to push a socialist healthcare system unto a bunch of illegal, non English speaking, naive people.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 4, 2025, 11:52 am, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Blu - consumer prices are 24% higher now than they were during Covid. This is about healthcare for legal Americans who get their healthcare via the ACA. It's extending the subsidies that are already in place, it's not new funding. Stop twisting the facts.

Funny how you seem to know more about the cause for the shutdown than Trump, Mike Johnson, JD Vance and every other Trump politician-puppet. Of course, the reason they are spewing daily is a lie, you know, the part where it's for illegals.

If the other issues are the problem, then compromise and negotiate. Instead, Johnson sent the Republicans home for the week.

Each side will blame the other for the shutdown. Current polling shows people recognize the entire government is in the hands of Republicans and they also recognize how not extending these subsidies will dramatically effect premiums. People can't afford that... especially since Trump's promise of bringing down grocery prices on day one, never happened.

Trump's own words in the video Millgirl posted place the blame on the President, lol.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 4, 2025, 11:57 am, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

This:

https://www.newsweek.com/most-maga-voters-back-democrats-key-government-shutdown-demandpoll-10825592

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 4, 2025, 7:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

“This is about healthcare for legal Americans who get their healthcare via the ACA. It's extending the subsidies that are already in place, it's not new funding. Stop twisting the facts.

You need to do better research. As I said, these subsidies were put in place by the Biden administration due to Covid in 2021. We are no longer in a pandemic.

It certainly doesn’t say much for Obama’s ACA legislation (AFFORDABLE CARE ACT) and patient protection either, if its affordability has to be supported by government subsidies, which is money coming from the earnings of taxpayers anyway! Damn!

1.9 TRILLION DOLLARS WAS ADDED TO OUR NATION’S DEFICIT BY Biden’s ARPA legislation. The RESCUE was completed.

Do you know the meaning of “deficit”?

And that Act is a direct cause of the inflation we are seeing today!

Crap, we still have continuation of the one time tax credits in place from the Bush years.
After the 117th Congress, Biden was supposed to to focus on “build back better”, but he must have forgotten about that promise and the auto pen never reminded him of that obligation.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 5, 2025, 3:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Trump wants to control all media, even Fox News, if they don't parrot his lies:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-shreds-fox-news-peter-163933614.html

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 5, 2025, 4:04 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Yae well, he aires his grievances.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 5, 2025, 4:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

He certainly has the right to do that and I'm glad he does, it showcases what a threat he is to anyone who doesn't fall in line with his views.. or in this case, as in many cases, his LIES

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 5, 2025, 4:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Well, he could be like the fecal show we have in governing this State, everything down on the downlow.

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Posted by Millgirl <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Millgirl' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 5, 2025, 7:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Yes. Trump wants to control any form of free speech and only wants his lies to be heard.

I believe that most of his MAGA know how much he lies to them..they just do not care about truth and facts...

It is all about keeping their jobs or the inability to admit that they elected a lying con man...

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 6, 2025, 12:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Blu says:

You need to do better research. As I said, these subsidies were put in place by the Biden administration due to Covid in 2021. We are no longer in a pandemic.

My research is sound, you need to pay attention to FACTS.

Yes, the pandemic is over, as I said previously :

consumer prices are 24% higher now than they were during Covid. This is about healthcare for legal Americans who get their healthcare via the ACA. It's extending the subsidies that are already in place, it's not new funding.

That's right, our everyday prices, which Trump repeatedly stated HE was going to bring down on day one. Most sane people knew he couldn't, but a lot of MAGA faithful bought into that lie and voted for him.

Do you want more facts on what this is going to do for the cost of healthcare for everyday folks. Let me know and I'll provide a link.

There's no doubt the Right is taking the blame for this shutdown at this point and the longer it goes on the more people will research and find out that the Right's defense that "Dems want to provide free health care for illegals" is a FLAT OUT lie.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 6, 2025, 5:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

“My research is sound, you need to pay attention to FACTS.

No, your algorithms on the devices you are using just have you pegged, so the Yuki green peas are covered with Tootie Fruiti while being spoon fed.

So you desire instant gratification, isn’t hedonistic the term for that.

I mean I like the” living for today philosophy”, but I’m also interested in long term goals which I see our President is trying to accomplish.

Economics is complicated.

You seem to be expecting and demanding sudden deflation, President Trump never promised that and certainly has the knowledge and a well versed team of advisors who freaking know what that type of “instant gratification” would cause!

Hopefully, we will get to the Federal Reserve’s target.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 6, 2025, 5:54 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Convoluted nonsense and double talking gibberish.

Healthcare for American citizens should not be a luxury. It's shame that the party in control doesn't recognize that and feels the need to lie about their reasons for deny it to them. Blame it on illegals.... they know their MAGA base will say "oh Hell No" --the thing is it's yet another lie that the weak and uninformed are too quick to believe.

This may very well come back to bite them come midterms.

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Posted by Bluangel <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Bluangel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 6, 2025, 7:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Soccer, not one time have I ever said or even suggested that healthcare for Americans should be a luxury … never, ever, ever.

Prescriptions and diagnostics are astronomical and I want that addressed as well.

I have no problem with a work requirement of 80 hours a month for able-bodied people 20 to 60 years old. If they can’t find a job, volunteering is permissible, but damn do something for public assistance.

And I don’t want to even hear the concern thrown about for Medicaid recipients possible losing coverage because it’s too difficult to log your work hours and report it.

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Posted by Soccer <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/GraniteGossip/info/user=Soccer' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 6, 2025, 10:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Free Healthcare For The Undocumented? Not True!"

Then why would you or the Republican party object to continuing to provide subsidies/tax credits to those who must purchase their healthcare through the ACA?

If you don't have an employer sponsored healthcare it's your only option. Even if you are very healthy and don't need diagnostics or prescriptions today, if you don't have healthcare insurance you are one illness or accident away from bankruptcy or getting sick or dying because you don't have preventative care.
Premiums are already barely affordable for many people... 44 million people are insured in ACA related health coverage... Americans, here legally.

If the Republicans have something better than the ACA, bring it on, let's hear about it. Last I heard Trump had "concepts".

The Republicans refusal to even negotiate this is despicable.

And to add insult to injury, they are flat out lying about the fact that extending these credits will provide healthcare to illegals.

This lie is intended to shift the blame of the shutdown on Democrats and it, too, is despicable. Check any number of Republicans Face Book pages and you will find this lie being perpetuated.

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