You know it has always amazed me when a person will flat out refuse to role play with someone cause of the other persona character, I can see gender to a point, But just plane refusing to role play cause one person has a human character and the other has a niko for example simply does not make sense no mater how you choose to slice it, both the people behind the character are two human beings each looking for some companionship and to be able to role play, But yet this person will flat out refuse to take a offer for nothing more then a persons character,these ridiculous role playing restrictions are getting crazier all the time, when will people learn that the only thing they are doing is knocking their self out of some good roleplaying and quite possibly making a new friend...
Re: Character rejection
Posted by Kane Toad on May 31, 2014, 2:31 am, in reply to "Character rejection"
A little empathy would take you a long way, Methen. That, and a few less run-on sentences. And maybe a little less meth.
Re: Character rejection
Posted by Cougar on May 29, 2014, 12:14 am, in reply to "Character rejection"
No one is obligated to RP with you under any circumstances; kvetching about it just makes you less likable.
Re: Character rejection
Posted by sharky on May 28, 2014, 11:54 pm, in reply to "Character rejection"
Menthen is a self loathing troll, that cannot understand the basic concept of humanity. I feel the only satisfaction he gets in his life, is from his own hands
If a roleplayer who plays a predator and only enjoys scenes with male prey has the right to turn down my request to play (which I fully believe is their right), then I in turn have a right to turn down a request from someone who is roleplaying as an insect, or a slug, or yes, even a human.
This fetish, especially in regards to roleplaying, is heavily rooted in fantasy because of how impractical or illegal it is to try physically. Preferences are what they are, especially since different things will appeal to different people. I personally know at least two people who don't enjoy involving humans in vore, because it is too unreal for them by asking them for too much suspension of disbelief, or in the other case, because they feel that the fetish would feel edge too close to reality by including humans.
Even I personally have no particular interest in human predators, but enjoy scenes with human prey and animal predators. Does that mean it is okay for a human predator to demand that I roleplay a scene with them?
Asking people to change their preferences specifically for you and complaining when they don't is neither mature nor proper. In fact, I would think that asking a person to do something they don't enjoy just because you want to do it is very selfish.
~Annie
Re: Character rejection
Posted by Really? on May 28, 2014, 12:26 pm, in reply to "Character rejection"
You do realize that people have the right to refuse to roll play for ANY REASON they choose...
Sounds to me like you're a creepy stalker who doesn't know what "NO" means.
and do you realize that today's role players are nothing but bunch of spoiled brats that have no clue what real role playing is all about not to mention a severe lack in the most basic role playing skills, I mean dam most are so clueless they do not even know the difference between a pbp and chat base role play...
A number of people have very kindly taken their valuable time to explain their take on this, and here is mine, in the simplest terms. You could be the the nicest person, one of the best writers, and most experienced role players, but I would have no desire to engage in a roleplay with you if your fetish/character is a human with the ability to swallow another human. To me this is utterly ridiculous, and I would not want to spend my time engaging in this no mater how nice, or experienced the person is. That is my right, just as it is your right to insist on having a human male character that swallows women whole (for example). Maybe someday you will find a partner that would want to roleplay with such a character, but I know I wouldn't enjoy it, so would never get involved in such a roleplay. You seem to be just as inflexible as the people you complain about, only you have the conceit to say you are right and they are wrong. The is a perfect case of "the pot calling the kettle black".
No a number of people have as usual have attempted to turn everything I say into a flame war for the simple reason they have never been able to deal with the simple truth, as for human swallowing other humans whole, people by the thousands are into that, But whats even more ridiculous is a furry who could easily swallow a human refusing to do so for no other reason then the character is a human or the character is a human child, I mean think about it for a moment if furrys hate humans that much then why are they allowing their self's to be controlled by the human morality of right and wrong kinda makes the whole point of being a furry totally meaningless when you think about it, if anything furry preds should welcome humans as a food source,I mean think about it do you honestly a snake or any other predator out there would refuse eat a child simply for the reason that they are a human child furry logic makes no sense what so ever...
When I think of a spoiled brat in RP, I think of someone who thinks they are the only real human being in the chat room, and that everyone else is just some CPU-controlled NPC who has no function beyond being abused for their own amusement.
Ergo, you are the perfect example of the "spoiled brats" you are complaining about Methen.
Seriously, did it ever occur to you that nobody wants to RP with someone who is going to throw a temper tantrum every time someone politely declines?
It's like that scene in Disturbing Behavior when Chug assaults Rachel:
Chug: "Will you go out with me?" Rachel: "No." Chug: "WHY NOT?!!!!!!"
No Terastas that's not what it is about, as usual you are trying to to turn everything I say into a flame just like the person above and I simply will not waste my time with people like you any more...
So what is it about then? From my understanding, your issue is that people are denying scenes based on not wanting to roleplay with a person's character--I feel this is a right they have because roleplaying is a voluntary action, not mandatory.
You said:
"refusing to role play cause one person has a human character and the other has a niko for example simply does not make sense"
and
"this person will flat out refuse to take a offer for nothing more then a persons character,these ridiculous role playing restrictions are getting crazier all the time"
These two statements, copied directly from your very own opening post, make it sound like any character's appeal to the other person in a role play should have no bearing on the decision to play a scene at all, and that the correct action is to accept any roleplay request, regardless of whether or not the asker's character is something that interests the other player or not.
I'm not expecting a response, given how you think that I'm merely flaming you by pointing these things out, but if this isn't what you're saying, then it would be helpful if you'd elaborate. Right now the only kind of stance can be drawn from from those two exactly-copied statements is "a roleplayer's personal preferences shouldn't matter when they are asked to role play--they should try and play when invited even if the other person's character is unappealing to them."
Annie, think of it this way, you have date you have everything all plan and have been looking forward to this all week, Your guest arrives says you look hot then looks down at your red dress shoes and says No sorry I do not date girls who wear red shoes and walks out the door leaving you with your mouth hanging open.
Now apply that exact same thing to someone who has just refuse to do a role play with someone else based on nothing more then their character not being a furry or a human or the characters age instead of just getting together role playing and having a good time...
Go over to f-list you will see people by the hundreds all sitting in the chat room all wanting someone to role play with but flat out refusing to role play with anyone who does have the perfect character to complement their character they go there every day and sit for hours accomplishing nothing...
People to day have no concept of what real role playing is, Now days its all about para role playing and who can write the best looking paragraph, contrary to what people think para role playing is not what real role playing is about, all these people are doing is getting off on the words being written, its the exact same thing when someone goes to the adult store and buys a adult fiction book and gets totally turned on by the story theirs no difference what so ever when people are para role playing,they are Getting turned on by a story not actual role playing...
I have to admit that to me, that is a downright weird comparison, because it equates the dressing up step of an already planned date with the initial 'cold' approach to a person.
Maybe I'm an old fashioned girl, but the dates I have been on were with men who had already shown at least some earlier attraction to something about me to begin with, before they showed up at my door. By the time they got there, there's usually interest from both of us to go through with the date, even if I'm not exactly wearing the precise shoes or dress he expects. If he did abandon the date over such a small detail, he's shown that he is a socially or emotionally unreliable person. I didn't lose a partner, I dodged a bullet.
What you're describing is something like going out cruising at a bar or event and being turned down by a stranger after asking them on a date. That not only happens, it's the right of the person being asked to say yes or no for any reason.
I'm a short, chubby, blonde girl who watches cheesy B movies. Maybe that doesn't interest the guy I'm asking out, who likes girls who are skinny, red-heads, and able to sing. He doesn't have to tell anyone why he says no, but he has a human right to decline my invite if he doesn't want to interact with me, and I have to accept that. No one is obligated to spend their limited free time with me even if I ask nicely.
Similarly, if I am interested in a person who has a neat character, but my dragoness isn't appealing to them, they still have that right to decline to roleplay with me, because roleplay happens voluntarily, on the choice of both of the players involved.
Quoting you directly again:
"its the exact same thing when someone goes to the adult store and buys a adult fiction book and gets totally turned on by the story theirs no difference what so ever when people are para role playing,they are Getting turned on by a story not actual role playing..."
There is actually one enormous difference that you didn't point out: roleplaying is a multi-person experience, and the players make choices when it comes to a roleplay, up to and including choosing to write the equivalent of a story together. This choice also includes saying 'no' before a scene ever starts, because no one is obligated to roleplay with anyone else if they don't want to do so.
Whether it's fair for a person to decline based on character design actually doesn't matter here. When Person A asks for a roleplay from Person B, they're asking for Person B's time and attention. That's something for Person B to decide, who gets to have that time and who doesn't, because that time, energy, and effort belongs to the person who is being asked for a roleplay, not the person doing the asking.
Forcing a person to do something they do not want to do, including roleplaying, is unfair. It places the asker's time and enjoyment above that of the person being asked, and in an activity like roleplaying that requires multiple people, this shows a lack of basic respect for the person being asked.
Quoting more:
"Now days its all about para role playing and who can write the best looking paragraph, contrary to what people think para role playing is not what real role playing is about, all these people are doing is getting off on the words being written"
Actually, I have the definition of role playing here, thanks to dictionary.reference.com:
'to assume the attitudes, actions, and discourse of (another), especially in a make-believe situation in an effort to understand a differing point of view or social interaction' and 'to experiment with or experience (a situation or viewpoint) by playing a role.'
By definition, if people are experiencing a role in some way because of their input, they're really roleplaying. You can't actually say they aren't actually having roleplaying just because the situation they roleplay may be a sexual one, because the only actual-and-literal "official definition" of roleplaying accepts even those.
I personally believe in the power of personal choice. Those people you speak out against in F-list have made a choice. They have said no to roleplay invitations, and they wait, because they have chosen to say no, and then chosen to wait. It's their time to use as they see fit, not yours. You may disagree with their choices or condemn the outcomes of the choice they have made, and that's your right as a person. However, no one has the 'right' to demand that a person accept an invitation to roleplay if they do not wish to roleplay.
But, now I'm going on for too long. To make my points short and clear:
1. The person being asked for a roleplay has no obligation to accept a roleplay invitation and has a right to say no.
2. They can say no to roleplay invitations for any reason, including character design.
3. Whether declining based on character design is fair or not doesn't matter, because the one on asking for the roleplay is asking for the other person's time, effort, and energy.
4. The person being asked for the roleplay gets to decide to whom they will give their time and effort.
5. If the invitation to roleplay is turned down, no matter the reason, then that person has made their choice and their choice must be respected.
6. Forcing someone into a roleplay when they have said 'no' is unfair to that person and indicates that their comfort or preferences are not being respected.
Sometimes, Methen, people are going to say make a choice and say no. Simply demanding they change ways to suit personal tastes without considering them as people does not encourage people to listen, but instead alienates them further.
Like my six points above, that's as true on roleplaying sites as it is away from them, and it's as true for you as it is for me, or Strega, or Terastas, or Snake, or anyone else.
Ok here is part of the problem I am seeing, you like everyone else here are so bent on defending the other persons freedom to decline a role play for what ever reason that you can not make the connection to the points that Iam attempting to make, you have already made your decision and you are not going to be persuaded from it,The proper term for that is called tunnel vision,When I look at something I attempt to maintain a neutral distance and use my personal experience on the situation, I myself have a great deal of personal role playing experience both online and off with literally thousands of cases under my belt so my opinions are being based on nothing more then years of personal experience and simple fact, Or to put it more simply you are not looking at the situation in a objectionable matter, one thing I always do is I try to put myself in both places so I have a better under standing of the situation to attempt to find why the gears are not running smoothly as they should be.
Characters: Using Characters in role plays have advantages and dis advantages, on the plus side it serves as a better focus point and helps bring the role play to life and helps with better visualization and connection, They take on quarks trade marks and personality traits,and it is those very things which can work on the negative factor, Well my character wants this or wants that, and that in turn causes a great deal of the situations we are discussing here, A Character is a beneficial to the role play it adds substance and believability to a role play there fore its beneficial to the role play and to all involved in the role play, But when that character becomes demanding and starts wanting everything its own way then it is no longer a beneficial tool to the role play it becomes a problem which does the exact opposite and becomes the destroyer of a role play arguments break out and situations become heated, it is for this reason above all else that people need to learn not to let the character totally control the role play, But to always remember what the whole root of the role play is.
Example lets take Baby sitter vore example in this example we have two primary objectives The female playing the part of the babysitter who has one goal to swallow and to digest a kid, while the person playing the part of the kid is to be swallowed and digested, When you look at it from that perspective the role play is very simple and straight forwarded and if you stay with that general guideline there should be no problems, But when you bring in a character who has all kinds of personality traits and wanting everything its own way then you have a recipe for nothing but trouble...
as far as the dictionary's example of role playing lame at best and most likely created by someone who had not real concept of real role playing is all about, Real role playing in a nutshell simply means to become that which you are role playing to the point where you the player actually experience it, the best example I can give it to think back when you had your last erotic dream and how you were a total part of that dream that's pretty much the goal of real role playing to attempt to make so real it becomes real anything else is nothing more then words...
Since you mentioned characters, think about this. One of the core aspects of role play is to become your character, I think you can agree to that, and to do that, you have to take on the characters personality. For example, one of my OCs dislikes wolfs, so for me to rp him getting buddy-buddy with a wolf would be out of character, thus I would fail to become him. So that is a plausible reason for rejection. Another thing to consider is where the characters come from(I know that logic is a tricky thing to apply to vore, but hear me out), the OC that I mentioned earlier lives in a world(universe really) where there are no humans, so to rp him with human, unless some believable bridge is made(ie, a portal), would break suspension of disbelief, pulling me out of character. Both examples given would prevent me from role playing under you definition. One last note, if I am forced to rp, I can not and will not go into character, which, going back to your definition of role play, prevents me from really role playing.
Actually, by defending your stance with your own experiences you are by definition using personal bias, especially as no amount of numbers counts in such a subjective setting as roleplays. A man who's dated a thousand times may be experienced, but it doesn't promise he'll be any good for me.
Additionally, you don't get to declare that official definitions are invalid because you disagree with them, you know. The reason it's an official definition is because it's so widely accepted as to be understood as the meaning, like how saying a person has "butter fingers" does not literally mean their fingers are a dairy product, but that they are prone to being clumsy with their hands. Given that the definition up there was given to us with context by psychologists who pioneered the concept of roleplaying, you can't turn it down as 'not the true definition.'
Roleplaying is by literal definition the act of playing a role in any setting. Nothing more, nothing less.
You seem to be conflating character actions with player actions, which is where my confusion with your whole stance lies and why this whole thing to me feels like you're insisting that other people comply with your demands with no regard for their stance. If the person who is playing that demanding character is staying in character--using that example of yours, being a little brat who won't follow the flow a vore roleplay right away--how is it wrong for them to keep the character 'true' to that character? Again, it's asking them to change something for your sake just because you don't like it.
The character has no independent action of their own--it has to come from the player. So again, that player is making the choice to play that character as they see fit. In this case, being demanding. They can want everything, but they have no power to enforce that demand. You have a right to disagree with that action and the power to talk to the player about it.
You said because of this "arguments break out and situations become heated", which, if it's happening in role play, is kind of the point--they're acting in a particular fashion. If this character is demanding because they're being played as a demanding character, you can step aside, ask their player if this is because they're being in character, and think of ways to work with them. Simply griping about a character that is demanding because they were designed to be demanding is fruitless. Do I dislike Joffrey Baratheon because the character is an enormous wanker? Yes, and that's fine. Do I have a right to gripe about the fact that he's that evil instead of a decent human being? No, because that's how the character is written.
However, if this is because the player is being inflexible and demanding, then I agree that there's a problem; it becomes selfish, once you start playing, to not take the other person's preferences in the scene into account, and this runs both ways.
If the arguments and tensions you speak of are entirely in-character in the roleplay with no actual selfishness on the part of the player of the demanding character, then you have the right and the power to step aside, talk to the player out of character, and try to work with them regarding this character. If they have even a shred of decent empathy, they'll work with you.
However, if the player is the one who's now demanding and inflexible--which is something that in this example you're seeing after you've had them agree to a roleplay, then this is where it's now your right to choose, including declining to continue even if it's mid-scene.
In short:
1. If the character is demanding, see if it's because that's how the character is designed. If it is, talk to the player if you're uncomfortable, work it out.
2. If you talk to the player and they want all things in the roleplay to go their way, then there's a problem all right. If you can't work it out with them, walk away.
Complaining about an artificial construct like a character is fruitless because you can't blame something with no independent thought or action, unlike the players. The character cannot force the player to do something they don't want to do. The player has to decide how that character acts, and how the player themselves will respond in regards to complaints about that character, if any.
And that's what this all comes down to, doesn't it? The actions of the player of that character. No matter if they're playing a demanding character or not, the question ultimately isn't "is a demanding character good or bad?" but rather "am I dealing with a demanding player?"
The player playing a demanding character has two options. They can be either be reasoned with outside of the scene, thus willing to accept your discomforts and work with you, or they themselves can be demanding and refusing to budge, meaning that you have to exercise your powers to decline them from having a further scene with you.
This only matters once you've started a scene, though. If you're still having problems with people saying no at all in the first place, which I'll point out here that your original posts went into heated concern over, please refer to my previous message.
And thus, once again, we're back to having to deal with the players in the roleplay, and their choices. In the end, any problems a person may have in a roleplay must stem from one of the players.
The people make choices and act them out. Our characters are just a mask.
Sigh your doing the exact same thing again Annie, all you are doing is trying to justify players rights to refuse and get their own away cause this what you have decided in your mind case closed, as for the definition if you choose to go by a inaccurate one that's your problem.
What you and others here have failed to understand is I do not give a rats ass what the other players feel they have a right to do or not or not to do, I feel I have the right to come in to your house and paint your walls red and green with poka dots does that actually mean I have the right to do so just cause I feel I have that right. All I am doing is pointing out is that the methods they have choose to go by destroys thousands of potential role playing opportunity's for other people to role play every single day, all Iam doing is trying to make people aware of that so that they can see that it is a actual problem and maybe become aware that they them self's are also doing the same thing in the attempt to raise self awareness of the problem in hand, instead of just taking this as the norm, I mean dam learn to open your eyes and see the problem there are hundreds of online role playing sites all over the Internet with thousands of players all going through the same same thing, People like myself just begging to role play and just being shot down for the most stupidest of reasons that just simply do not make any sense...
You're really going to continue to insist that a dictionary definition is inaccurate? Disagreement on the specifics of definitions is one thing. Claiming that the basic definition, provided by people who invented the term, is inaccurate is just willful ignorance.
By the way, phrases like: "I do not give a rats ass what the other players feel they have a right to do or not or not to do"
and
"all you are doing is trying to justify players rights to refuse "
and
"I feel I have the right to come in to your house and paint your walls red and green with poka dots does that actually mean I have the right to do so just cause I feel I have that right."
All these things, clearly said by you, indicate to me that you do not care in the slightest about how other people feel or if they're allowed to decide their own course of action. You feel you have the right to make other people's choices for them because you alone believe you know the right thing. You want to mandate that the actions of other people follow only your beliefs.
The house bit is especially telling since it shows us that you have no respect for the idea that people are free to make their own choices, including who they interact with or what they consider their private or personal spaces. You don't have an inherent right to trespass and vandalize, yet you think you do; it implies both that you believe only have the freedom to choose what happens, and that the only thing stopping you from doing such acts is the threat of punishment.
You're telling us don't care about other people as human beings with their own interests or motivations or lives. You only care that people follow your desired outcome: a roleplay scene with you. For all that you claim about other roleplayers using people for sexual gratification, you're also using people in the same way, because you don't care about what they are allowed to do as independent people who are not obligated to listen to or obey you.
Then again, you're still saying that: "People like myself just begging to role play and just being shot down for the most stupidest of reasons that just simply do not make any sense"
...Right there. There it is, laid out in the open, by you. You're not asking people to play, you're begging them. They don't have a obligation to answer to begging any more than they do asking. Just because you ask very hard doesn't mean that they somehow must say yes to you. Their reasons might be shallow, but they have the right to say no, the same way you have a right to say no to the invitation to a hotel room from strangers in hats. You could say you don't trust them, or that you just don't like people in hats. If you can say no to an invitation, other people can say no as well.
All these things you're showing us in your own words and opinions in these posts...The lack of empathy. The attempts at manipulation of others. The constant need for stimulation. The high sense of self worth compared to the value placed on other people. The limited ability to understand the feelings of other people.
Those are various basic indicators of sociopathy, Methen. As a former mental health counselor's aide, I try not to encourage sociopathic behavior as I have seen the damage to families caused by sociopaths. As such I'll stop replying to this and future threads by you; you've shown us what you really think of other people very, very clearly. No matter the number of points I can present, it seems like the idea of me advocating the treatment other people as human beings with the freedom to make their own choices in their lives only seems to anger you further.
Please consider looking for help from a registered mental health professional, Methen. I honestly think you might really, genuinely be dealing with a sickness rather than just selfishness.
Tell me do you always attempt to take peoples own words and screw them all out of context of their basic meaning, just to try to persuade people over to your way of thinking all this time and that was the best you could come up with.
Better yet why did you not simply come up with your own material instead of such a pathetic attempt to turn my own words against me, What I stated was a matter of simple cold hard fact based on many years of experience,No matter how you and people like you who try to twist and screw things all out of context you will never succeed simply for the reason in the long run you can not beat the pure and simple truth...
It's not tunnel vision if I can keep shooting down your complaints using the same core point of choice, even when you move the targets of your complaints with each message. No matter if you're upset that they turn you down or upset that they nitpick over a detail or demand that all things go their way...choice is still the key because it's quite clear you don't agree with the choices that have been made by roleplayers. Whether it's about the way their characters act or how the people themselves behave, it still boils down to what a person has chosen to do while interacting with you, and I've already said all I have to say about how you can make choices in my previous posts.
You are apparently hoping none of us will point out that the red dress, as an optional attire, is reflective of that person's likes and/or expectations, ergo it is not unreasonable to react to them.
By your logic, it would be equally inappropriate to turn down the blind date if she came to the door with clown makeup on her face and Kleenex boxes on her feet.
Also, most people don't schedule RPs; they go to chat rooms and mingle. Ergo, if you want a real life equivalent, it wouldn't be planning a date a week in advance so much as going to a singles' bar.
Which would make you, Mr. I-Demand-RP-From-People-Who-Find-Me-Revolting, equivalent to the guy who thinks all the alcohol in his system magically turned him into a sex god.
Drunk Guy (AKA: You): "Hey cutie! Wanna' dance?" Sober Guy: "Sorry, I don't swing that way." Drunk Guy: "Well I do! So #### you -- we're dancing!"
You can't square this circle Methen. No matter how you slice it, you're still a narcissistic douche (the kind of guy Elliot Rodgers would have identified with).