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Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #

Posted by James Leach on August 23, 2012, 1:40 pm

Year of Manufacture *: 2008
Engine Size and Code *: 1.6 tdci HHDA engine
( Optional ) Scanner Used: Delphi DS150 E

Got a focus with a misfiring and stalling issue as described by the customer.

Codes were as follows:
P1180 Fuel Delivery System - Low- Permanent
P1181 Fuel Delivery System - High- Intermittent
P0087 Fuel rail System Pressure -Too Low- Permanent

I watched the graphical display of rail pressure whilst trying to rev engine up gently from idle to 4000rpm. As the engine starts to miss fuel pressure dips and cuts out completely when the engine stalls.
In most cases the engine will restart straight away with cycling the ignition but sometimes engine will not idle or rev out but leave it 10 mins will start again fine.
Max rail pressure recorded by scanner was 180000 kpa and carweb says max pressure should be 1600 bar or 160000 kpa.
I'm tending towards rail pressure sender but can't even see it, i think its behind the egr cooler.

Any help greatly appreciated

Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #

Posted by andyhyoung <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5148' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 23, 2012, 4:41 pm, in reply to "Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #"
Andrew Young

Recently had a Peugeot 407 with same engine and similar symptoms.Replaced fuel filter and car was fixed.

Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #

Posted by James Leach <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3450' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 23, 2012, 5:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #"
James Leach

changed the filter on wednesday evening which made no difference but thanks for the input.
Gonna have a go at stripping the egr cooler out tomorrow morning to gain access to the rail.
cheers James

Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #

Posted by James Leach <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3450' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 24, 2012, 1:39 pm, in reply to "Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #"
James Leach

Found a poorly fitted push fit connector in the return fuel lines and a broken vac pipe to the air mass meter and both were repaired at the same time.

When driven now misfire has moved back up the rev range lowest point being from about 3500 rpm to 5000.
Only code recorded now is the P1181 High pressure which can be seen in live data when the car misses. Fuel pressure being recorded at 1800 bar rather then the specified 1600. If fuel pressure stays high for too long engine shuts down and ignition has to be cycled to try and restart.

Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #

Posted by Shane Gray <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3442' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 25, 2012, 4:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #"
Shane Gray

Hi,
Have you got desired and actual readings for fuel pressure on live data? Compare the different to see if fuel reg is working correctly .
Shane

Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #

Posted by Mark Carter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1428' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on August 28, 2012, 9:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Focus 1.6 TDCi 2008 - Stuttering and stalling, codes P1180, P1181 & P0087 #"
Mark Carter

>>> I'm tending towards rail pressure sender but can't even see it,<<<

What testing leads you to that decision ?

Mark

Modern cars, Its all wizardry and witchcraft

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