Thanks for this Len, much appreciated and definitely a pottery to consider. The more i research this, it seems to become more complicated lol. Im not sure if youll have time to read the attached from the most recent book on herculaneum by peter hyland in 2005. Most reasons he gives for debunking herculaneum is regarding the blue platter illustrated and the pattern name of charioteers. I agree with him.. it probably is from staffordshire, but theres no mention of a red one. This red 8 lobbed bowl is the same size as other herc creamware bowls. And typical herc style ive noticed how they put their twist on already existing patterns they copied from other factorys (e.g. kings ptn from derby). I have other vermicule from them on cache pots and tableware. The two blips here are the impressed ‘H’ not known as herc and the pattern named ‘charioteers’ wont be zeus in a chariot i dont think. But everything else fits. In his earlier book Prof Alan Smith says he thinks the wares were made at herc yet he or hyland has never found a stamped one. What if the reason for this is because the ‘H’ impression has for whatever reason not been known as belonging to herc. Afterall they dud an impressed liverbird,they also done an impressed L. I suppose the question is.. how was the info in the books on the factory marks obtained,trade marks,factory records or just photos taken from marked pieces. Just as im thinking of it being unlikely, this auction picture from Christies 2008 pops up in a google search (3 years after hylands book). I cant prove it is but cant prove its not maybe until more information is discovered. Thanks