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Hey, Potomac? Older book here that I just heard about today.

Posted by Lexillini <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/onedeuce/info/user=Lexillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 12, 2026, 16:03:29

Sounds interesting to me. Wondering if you have ever heard of it or perhaps read it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Before_Civilization

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Great book and important subject, especially for evangelicals like me

Posted by groupguy <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/onedeuce/info/user=groupguy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 13, 2026, 9:51:23, in reply to "Hey, Potomac? Older book here that I just heard about today."

My Christian worldview is God’s awesome, we (humans) suck, but He is too great to let us fuck everything up forever and has a Plan for whom all Reality was created. Cool story, but some people don’t like it, so they try to say God isn’t real (impossible in the face of Reality) or that we don’t suck and blame religion for the fact we clearly do.

This book and my first visit to Cahokia Mounds were foundational to my pushback that, au contraire mon frere, we do suck and God’s Plan (namely, Jesus) is working. I argue that the New Testament worldviews- of render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s, of embracing self-sacrifice (or at least casting aside eye for an eye), and government’s role being to protect the people- were adopted by Western Civilization leading to better ways to fight war instead of just slaughtering and raping everyone you hated. Middle Europe wasn’t necessarily peaceful but it wasn’t the hellhole non-Christians made the world before tha, although we did still have the genocides of Atheists Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.

I visited the Cahokia Mounds as a kid when they still had the skeletal remains on display.

Posted by Lexillini <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/onedeuce/info/user=Lexillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 13, 2026, 10:31:36, in reply to "Great book and important subject, especially for evangelicals like me"
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Which I thought was hella cool.

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

Did it appear on some list? / Regarding natives during expansion...

Posted by Potomac <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/onedeuce/info/user=Potomac' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 13, 2026, 6:27:40, in reply to "Hey, Potomac? Older book here that I just heard about today."

The book looks unfamiliar and interesting.

I recently read "The Undiscovered Country" and its story of the westward migration by the colonists. The focus anchors on some particular people, such as Daniel Boone and Kit Carson.

It is undoubtedly true that the white people treated the natives horribly. Embarrassing, really, with complete disregard for treaties and agreements and all that.

Yet, it is also true that the natives were complete human beings with territorial beliefs and characteristics similar to whites. That meant fighting with each other over land and resources, migrating from one place to another or defending what they had.

When I read or hear about one of those stupid virtue-signaling "land acknowledgments" I want to ask who had the land before the last people you acknowledged?

When someone says we are a nation of immigrants except for the natives, I wonder how long your family line has to be here to lose the immigrant label. The tribes that populated what is now the American southwest arrived there between 500-1000 years ago. Not exactly ancient Greece or China. After the Norsemen and the Anglo-Saxons reached England and overwhelmed the natives.

My first ancestors here arrived in the 1700s, and my wife's in the 1600s. Is a modern Apache descended from immigrants?

Clay & Buck brought it up as they were laughing at the land acknowledgment crap.*

Posted by Lexillini <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/onedeuce/info/user=Lexillini' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 13, 2026, 9:36:41, in reply to "Did it appear on some list? / Regarding natives during expansion..."
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The book looks unfamiliar and interesting.

I recently read "The Undiscovered Country" and its story of the westward migration by the colonists. The focus anchors on some particular people, such as Daniel Boone and Kit Carson.

It is undoubtedly true that the white people treated the natives horribly. Embarrassing, really, with complete disregard for treaties and agreements and all that.

Yet, it is also true that the natives were complete human beings with territorial beliefs and characteristics similar to whites. That meant fighting with each other over land and resources, migrating from one place to another or defending what they had.

When I read or hear about one of those stupid virtue-signaling "land acknowledgments" I want to ask who had the land before the last people you acknowledged?

When someone says we are a nation of immigrants except for the natives, I wonder how long your family line has to be here to lose the immigrant label. The tribes that populated what is now the American southwest arrived there between 500-1000 years ago. Not exactly ancient Greece or China. After the Norsemen and the Anglo-Saxons reached England and overwhelmed the natives.

My first ancestors here arrived in the 1700s, and my wife's in the 1600s. Is a modern Apache descended from immigrants?

Guns. Have them.

The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants.

Socialism is the gospel of envy.

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