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Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 18:24:41
I have recently been led to believe that time could be an emergency phenomenon rather than a fundamental aspect of reality. Apparently if you can somehow step outside of a system and observe that system, looking in from the outside time would not appear to exist in that system. I think what you would observe instead is every possible combination of events.
I think some scientists have actually demonstrated this by artificially creating a system using a specific bunch of atoms and then turned them in an Einstein Bose Condensate which is achieved by cooling the atoms to a very low temperature at which point they cease behaving as individual atoms and merge into a single entity, a giant atom I think. And that super sized atom behaves as a quantum state would.
I often wonder what the fuck time is. I think in order to perceive time one must have memory, otherwise how else can you consider past events.
I think entropy is also involved but I can't quite grasp how exactly. I think entropy is considered to be an emergency phenomenon as well and my understanding of what it is is that it's one of the laws of thermodynamics and it is a measure of how ordered a system is. A system with low entropy is very ordered and a system with high entropy is very disordered. Entropy increases over time. A common scientific prediction is that our universe will eventually reach maximum entropy, known as a heat death at which point all that will exist is a cold mass incapable of energy creation.
I don't really know what the fuck I am going on about but if anyone on here has any insight feel free to educate me further on this stuff because I like it.
Alternatively let me know what's for dinnerbobs.outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Sing Along Hatter on 11/7/2026, 15:56:38, in reply to "Entropy and time "
I think you're talking about time as an emergent property and higher dimensions.
Then you spurt some nonsense about atoms and entropy.
I think maybe you're trying to explain that reality is very different to our perceptions, then you go off on a tangent But I'm not a theoretical physicist either.
Einstein's theory of relativity lead to the idea of eternalism if that's what you're trying to say. COYH
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 11/7/2026, 18:55:38, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
I googled it afterwards and without blowing my own trumpet I was surprisingly accurate. They cooled down some atoms and made a pretend universe out of them which enabled them to be an external observer and they demonstrated time didn't exist in their pretend universe. It's mind boggling what these brain boxes get up to.outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Whittaker pen on 10/7/2026, 18:44:51, in reply to "Entropy and time "
This subject should be debated down the pub after about 10 pints
When the Landlord calls 'time'?The truth is simple. If it was complicated, everyone would understand it.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 21:16:07, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Godders on 10/7/2026, 18:38:22, in reply to "Entropy and time "
I do wonder if heaven has elements of this.Live justly, love mercy, perpetuate generosity, walk humbly.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 18:42:45, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
Which elements you wondering about Godders mate?outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
I'm not sure but someone was talking to me a while ago (couple of years) about different levels of heaven and hell and even though I was genuinely interested but highly sceptical, I wonder if there is perhaps more to it.
But in terms specifically of this then I wonder how we will get to meet all the people we know will be there in heave; people like former friends and relatives of faith, famous people who lives in the past, the great saints and apostles, and in what state will we know them; adult, child, elderly etc. The Bible does mention about the "prime of life" but we might have only known certain people as children or elderly. There's plenty to think about and study for the neurodivergent thinker. Live justly, love mercy, perpetuate generosity, walk humbly.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Ronnies Finger on 10/7/2026, 22:50:04, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
I’ve often wondered, I had a brother who died in 1962 aged 4 days. If there is something after death, will I meet him and in what format? Hurts my head thinking about it..
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 19:01:43, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
In Buddhism hell state is the lowest of the 10 worlds, ie number 1.
Heaven state is the 6th of the 10 worlds.
These 'worlds' are actually life states, and we can experience any of the 10 worlds at any given moment with the other 9 diminished.
So you could flick from hell state (the worst) straight to Buddhahood (the best) in a single moment, and vice versa, or any other of the 10 worlds.
That's the 10 worlds concept from Buddhism.
But I also remember reading about different levels (or intensities I suppose) of hell. The one I can remember easiest was called the Avichi Hell, which I think was one of the worst states of hell possible.outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
That was some of what was being said, from memory anyway. It sounds like this person could have been blending some mainstream Christianity thoughts with buddhist influences. But this conversation was a couple of years ago and I'm not sure I've remembered everything correctly. Live justly, love mercy, perpetuate generosity, walk humbly.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 19:25:26, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
Was it me? I have shared Buddhist stuff with you on here in the past outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
Would all the outlaws meet as well. Even though we may not exist. IE everyone here both now and in the past could be characters that I have invented to pass the time. If so, are you questioning from a real place, or as part of the games in my head. I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
Depends very much on what hell actually is and the criteria for getting there.Live justly, love mercy, perpetuate generosity, walk humbly.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 19:04:55, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
?si=WO2Cd_iKLWTaEigooutlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Alien Nate on 10/7/2026, 18:28:30, in reply to "Entropy and time "
?si=pwOQYeJxGhq5SyJBI've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 18:36:32, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
?si=xhOMLgNJEQoeaXeioutlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 18:26:16, in reply to "Entropy and time "
* emergent not emergency FFS!outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
?si=nZvp88_pX79GfV_0 Crosby/Stills/Nash - Delta written by David Crosby
Waking stream of consciousness On a sleeping street of dream Thoughts like scattered leaves Slowed in midfall to the streams Of fast running rivers of choice and chance and time stops here On the delta While they dance while they dance I love the child who steers this riverboat But lately he's crazy for the deep The river seems dreamlike in the daytime Someone keeps thinking in my sleep Of fast running rivers of choice and chance and time stops here On the delta While they dance while they dance While they dance I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 18:39:23, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
?is=e-xAzX1FiiLSwTHLoutlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
Miles is a person who maybe hears in different ways to others. This is something you (well,,,,me anyway) wouldn't listen to with other people, yet sitting alone, it is like watching a moving painting and in a strange way, relaxing. I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 10/7/2026, 18:51:18, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
This is his version of Guinevere originally written by David Crosby.
I think it's a masterpiece. outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
?si=7G2gUvdNS0FccdPOI've seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Gut City Hatter on 11/7/2026, 14:47:34, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
Thanks for these thoughts and the excellent music. Particularly the Miles Davis track, which is breathtakingly brilliant.
A couple of suggestions for puzzling souls: Try reading "Gödel, Escher, Bach" by Douglas R Hofstadter - simply mindblowing. Or perhaps (I'm less sure about this) "Life: A User's Manual" by Georges Perec. The title is perhaps tragically ironic, as its writer committed suicide a few years later.
Re: Entropy and time
Posted by Poster from the past on 11/7/2026, 18:58:25, in reply to "Re: Entropy and time "
Thanks for the suggestions. I know Penrose credits Godel with helping him in his own theoretical development, specifically Gödel's Incompleteness theorem.outlaws is not the barometer of sanity. You're either Luton full tilt or you are nothing. We have spunked way too much money on shite. The end.
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