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Posted by Doctor Ince <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Doctor+Ince' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 19:30:53

https://x.com/atstimson/status/1949843183342375343?t=NmlCvhqyqOm1-sn7AdVuuQ&s=19

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Posted by LTFC39 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=LTFC39' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 19:35:03, in reply to "X/twitter "

My goodness. It pains me though to see what I've seen on social media today.

I'm sad about it, but it does feel like there's a storm brewing and a position is becoming increasingly untenable.

I saw earlier today about someone being on the "naughty step" from the LTST, along with podcasters and other content creators... people actually PROMOTING the club.

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Posted by SAHB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=SAHB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 19:56:41, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Too many platforms for fans to whine about every small detail.

I really think the world has gone mad, when people think all this shit is important.

The journey leads you to the answers..

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Posted by Music Critic <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Music+Critic' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:13:29, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

-Double relegation

-Poor communication, which is important no matter who wants to play PR and comms down. Transparency was a key pillar in the 2020 strategy

-An ok transfer window but one that still leaves us short of wingbacks and a centre forward or two 4 days before the start of the season

-Local journos now seemingly being 'leant on'

-Lack of a replacement strategy for the original, excellent 2020 Vision. That document united fans and gave a clear picture of what the aims and objectives were, short, mid and long term

I don't think they're small details

The club (2020) have enjoyed overwhelming support for the vast majority of their time. When we were stuck in non-league, although anxiety was going through the roof, the club basically enjoyed unconditional support and goodwill. Why? One of the major reasons was because the comms was pretty good in those early days of their reign and we knew we were in a bad way, financially, in those days

Let's also remember that the fans have always stepped up to help the club on everything to do with the stadium. As soon as the club asked us to do something, we did. The activism and energy the fans generated to ensure that thing finally got planning permission was crucial. Fans and club were in perfect alignment

The last 12-18 months is the flip side to running a football club. You could argue (and probably rightly) that if we were sat here looking forward to a 3rd season in the Prem (or, at least, another season in the C'ship), none of this would matter. But if my uncle had a fanny, he'd be my aunt

No-one is calling "2020 out" or anything like that. Just for things to improve and to give fans an idea of what the club intends to do for the next few years besides building the new ground

PC progress is great. The rest, not so much

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:32:12, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Interesting how you list something which you don't even know is true as one of your major points . . .

And I think people rather are calling 2020 out . . .

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And you think people are asking 2020 to fuck off and leave?

'Cos I don't see that anywhere

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:39:49, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Try on Facebook, been people doing it for some time. Plenty calling for Sweet to go on here too

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Fair enough. Don't go on it anymore. But, yeah, calling for 2020 to go is just daft

A minority I'm sure. Granted there might be more people questioning GS as an individual but 2020, as a whole, still enjoy good support I think

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:46:52, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Let's hope so. What lurks on the other side of that step is scary.

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Don't disagree

Just to be clear, my moaning comes from a positive place if that isn't a contradiction. The club has done brilliantly up until Jan 20204 and I just want us to get back to what we were

2020 have been fantastic. I don't want to see them lose support and trust. And I think there is a danger of that at the moment for the sake of stuff that is relatively easy to fix

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 21:05:21, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Can't argue with that.

And my reply was more generally directed. People seemingly are happy to assume the worst. I am used to that from some but it's growing more prevalent.

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Posted by Cuba <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Cuba' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 21:13:15, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Because we don’t help ourselves.

Getting to this stage without a striker to replace Morris/Eli/Pepple/Harris and apparently losing out to Stockport for one of our supposed targets is tough to take.

Nothing against Stockport but we were in the Premier League two years ago and have significant resources to spend.

Other clubs are probably expecting us to do something significant soon, the risk is that we don’t or leave it late and then panic buy.

Huddersfield purchased May last Monday, and despite that they are still after another first choice striker and Lowe was a target too.

We all know that Woodrow and Nordas are not good enough to sustain a title winning challenge, so why are we still messing around when we have the money to secure what we need and get on with it.

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 21:17:27, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Maybe the club disagree with your assessment.

But, you were convinced that Huddersfield had got it right by signing two strikers early in January. And now they are getting it right by signing May in time . . .

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Posted by Cuba <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Cuba' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 21:21:04, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

It’s not about me or Huddersfield MG.

And are you seriously suggesting that Woodrow and Nordas is the forward line the club aspires to?

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Posted by joey diconio <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=joey+diconio' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:40:17, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Here here !

Truth seeker / snide

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Like what?

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:34:47, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Local journalists being lent on.

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You don't think he was then?

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:38:17, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

I don't know. All I see is that he changed his story. Did I miss some actual reasonable proof? Happy to be shown it.

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Posted by Sandgrounder <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Sandgrounder' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:41:39, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

There was a lengthy X thread on Sat where Mike defended his story about Doughty being left out due to transfer speculation, so it wasn’t an inadvertent error in how he worded the story. To then go back on himself so completely - seems fairly clear he’s not just decided to do this himself?

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Posted by MG <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=MG' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:45:59, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Thinking like that . . . It's how Reform UK works so well. It is entirely possible that your version of events is true, the reasons could be manifold. It's also possible that his editor was unhappy with his reasons for writing it so asked him to correct it.

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Posted by Hatters88 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Hatters88' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2025, 8:16:32, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

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Posted by SAHB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=SAHB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:21:43, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Double relegation is the only one that matters.

Time and again people say "the club should say this, they haven't told us that."

For me it's about what happens on the pitch.

Now when the club needs the support the most fans are getting ready to light the touch paper.

It has been proven time and again that a club with negative fans win nothing, we are back to the hysteria of pre JS days when the toxicity stopped us from improving.

We better start well or as history as shown the morons will win and the club and everyone else will lose.

As Kinnear said " Doughnuts"

The journey leads you to the answers..

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Oh, so you don't think the other stuff, done poorly or not at all, could possibly have led to the double relegation, then? And you don't think that all that other stuff, when done well, didn't lead to our meteoric rise?

Makes you wonder why businesses spend time and money on strategy, PR, planning, etc if it means fuck all. Things don't just happen. There are always reasons things happen

No smoothly functioning football club should get relegated (again) the season they drop out of the Prem. I know it's happened to others but it shouldn't

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Posted by SAHB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=SAHB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:36:20, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

I agree we shouldn't have got double relegation and I'm pissed off like everyone else.

I really don't get how knowing when a transfer was made or was close to be made or whether people decided not to leak it in case it ruined the deal has any bearing on how successful we are.

I am leaving it at that because I know those that want to build a negative narrative will just carry on no matter what.

The journey leads you to the answers..

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Posted by LTFC39 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=LTFC39' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 19:58:55, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Or maybe it’s because we all “give a shit” and the situation is painful for everyone.

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Posted by SAHB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=SAHB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:07:55, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

I give a shit about our relegation, but all this wetting Knickers over communication is just fucking pathetic.

People need to stand back and listen to themselves, what a bunch of self entitled drama queens our fans have become.

The journey leads you to the answers..

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Words matter

As for drama queens, come on. The fans have given the club unequivocal support (deservedly so for the vast majority of that time) for years. But, now, what are you saying - that, when things aren't going well, they can't complain and we have to be good little customers?

It works both ways

Kieran Maguire has always said that fans should always question their club and how it is being run. That fans are entitled. It's our club. Owners, players, etc come and go. We're here forever

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Agree totally, We shouldn't forget that 2020 fundamentally came from a group of fans questioning the running of the club at that time.

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Posted by LTFC39 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=LTFC39' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:30:26, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Maguire was saying a year ago that our communication needed to improve.

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Some people were saying it 7 odd years ago 👀

Truth seeker / snide

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Posted by SAHB <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=SAHB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:25:15, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Yes question the club over the big things, like double relegation, and poor transfer Windows but all this "they said, didn't say" is a bit pathetic. IMO

The journey leads you to the answers..

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The 'little things' help the big things

And, aren't clear, transparent, honest comms a useful tool to help build trust? And aren't poor, disjointed, muddled comms something that helps undermine trust?

In any business. Not just bloody football

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Seems like you’re as out of touch as Sir Gary

Truth seeker / snide

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Posted by Doctor Ince <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Doctor+Ince' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:18:52, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

Sadly that seems to be the attitude the club take as well.

Pay your money, turn up (but don't say naughty words), go home and don't ask questions

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Posted by Ostrich spotter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=Ostrich+spotter' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 20:09:31, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

It is not about communication, it is about the apparent miscommunication

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Posted by HH <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=HH' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 19:58:23, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

It's quite a big thing if the club is bullying reporters to correct manifestly true stories to gaslight fans, surely?

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Yep, agree. It's been a lesson in how not to do PR and if we start the season poorly it's going to get ugly unfortunately.

If even Kevin Harper is having little digs about being on the naughty step something is wrong

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Posted by LTFC39 <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/lutonoutlaws/info/user=LTFC39' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 28/7/2025, 19:57:23, in reply to "Re: X/twitter "

I’ve just watched a video comparing this situation to Gurney and that it’s how he would’ve handled it.

Completely irrational (Gurney was a bloody criminal ffs), but when you have such frustration, these stupid comments are going to come out.

Does feel like there needs to be some sort of a “come to Jesus” meeting with a significant proportion of the fan base… I’m not talking about the LTST or LL or Diamond STs when details are shared with a few but not all, but with 100s+ on several Teams/Zoom.

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Never a truer word. They are losing credit day by day

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