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    Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

    Posted by Todd1433 on 30/12/2023, 1:39:08

    I do not claim to speak for every homosexual individual in existence, and I am heterosexual myself, so not speaking from a personal point of view. However, I have had several gay colleagues over the years, and through a female friend who used to work as cabin crew for a well known airline, I’ve come to know several gay men in a social setting- that isn’t stereotyping by the way, there is a high percentage of males working in that job role that are gay.

    As reasonable human beings, we have had open minded conversations over the years about what it meant to be a gay man in today’s society, family attitudes, etc, etc. Not a single one of them was ever remotely offended by a chant at the football, or what could be termed as “laddishness” in general. On the contrary , the general opinion was they found it more annoying when people were offended on their behalf. One lad I know did make me laugh when he came out with the line “I did try going with girls at first, but it turned out I just love c*ck!”.

    One thing that did appear to be a bone of contention though- being referred to as a “community”, like they’re all a strange breed that all know each other. Ironically, it is often those claiming offence on their behalf that refer to them with the term that, in reality, they found the most offensive. That, and being lumped in with LFBTQRT, or wherever we’re at now.

    I often used to attend client meetings with a gay colleague in a previous job, and a regular conversation over a coffee post-meeting was him telling me that matey we had just met with was “one of his lot”, with me often not having any of it, and him adamant he was right. He normally was. No offence given or taken, just two friends light heartedly addressing their differences.

    I am not posting an opinion about what is/isn’t offensive here, nor can I claim any authority on what should or shouldn’t be considered acceptable. It is simply anecdotal evidence I have found in my experience, where the supposed “offended” party actually wasn’t, at all.

    Of course, racist chanting of any kind is of course abhorrent and should never be tolerated or accepted. That is a different thing entirely. But whilst have never sang anything about a “Chelsea Rent Boy” previously, nor will I tomorrow, it is sometimes worth asking, who was offended exactly?

      Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

      Posted by Herve Baquet on 30/12/2023, 9:20:50, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

      The point is, I'm pretty sure gay people aren't be 'offended' by the chant. But I would imagine it might make them feel alienated, or feel that they don't belong at a football match, and that they're being derided just because of who they fancy.

      There will be lots and lots of gay people within the Luton crowd, probably within the staff and maybe in the team. Just don't sing it.



      Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

      Posted by jimmyp on 30/12/2023, 9:10:13, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

      Again, it was pretty fucking stupid to sing anything that could be construed as being homophobic against Brighton.

      If it hadn't been for that, the twats who need to be able to sing 'Chelsea rent boy' would probably have got away with it against Chelsea.

      Now they won't. I hope they got out of it whatever they wanted to get out of it.

      Cheers, Jim

        Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

        Posted by boz on 30/12/2023, 9:21:21, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

        and the act is jim, as you will know, even they wouldnt have got anything out of it because as someone has already said, it won't bother chelsea fans in the slightest, so to sum up, no one gets anything out of it BUT the club will be fined heavily AGAIN.

        and they call themselves fans of our club!

        if they do it, ban them end of.

      Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

      Posted by Doctor Ince on 30/12/2023, 8:42:30, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

      Agree, I mentioned yesterday that a Chelsea fan I know well is gay and he's not not fussed at all by the rent boys song. Anecdotal again I know.

      It's very modern to assume offence on behalf of someone else, and quite often be more offensive than the original comment

        Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

        Posted by pingu on 30/12/2023, 8:47:21, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

        dont get me wrong, im not offended by chanting, ive chanted some pretty vile stuff back in the day - then i grew up.

        who benefits from songs like “chelsea rent boy”?

        chelsea fans wont get riled by it.
        chelsea players wont give a fukk.
        it wont encourage our players to play better.
        it may offend male prostitutes.

        where is any positive in it?

          Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

          Posted by J on 30/12/2023, 9:53:57, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

          The people who sing it are enjoying themselves.

          I wouldn't have thought it was difficult to understand that.

          The difficulty is understanding why they enjoy it.
          I guess being "edgy", (moreso now because of the attention) might have something to do with it.

          If that's the case the club has a problem because I suspect there's more than a few who put edginess before the interests of the team /club

            Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

            Posted by Doctor Ince on 30/12/2023, 9:23:18, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

            I agree, not a song I'd sing now, but like you say back in the day I've sung all sorts.

          You only get offended if you want to be….

          Posted by Rick on 30/12/2023, 8:30:08, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

          End of!

            Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

            Posted by J on 30/12/2023, 8:22:48, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

            The explanation is pretty obvious I would have thought.

            This type of chanting is part of the ritual of insulting the oppositions fans. As such it's only purpose is to annoy and maybe to make the singer feel good about themselves , it probably convinces them they are having a great time , enjoying the banter - little things please little minds perhaps.

            Clearly it has absolutely no impact on what happens on the pitch and is therefore utterly pointless.

            Unfortunately the club runs the risk of financial penalty for things which are essentially beyond their control but which also some people think is entirely justifiable in the cause of protecting the "freedom" to act like a cunt.

              Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

              Posted by pingu on 30/12/2023, 7:49:57, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

              its all pretty easy: sing about our own players and successes as opposed to elton john being a queer and chelsea being male whores.

              problem solved by me again.

              forza pingu🧡

              Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

              Posted by Laurie on 30/12/2023, 7:33:11, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

              The gaydar is rarely wrong within the gay community.

              I have several gay friends and work with many other gay people.

              Not sure what people get out of chanting anti songs anyway.

                Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

                Posted by G on 30/12/2023, 7:16:25, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

                Good post that some who post on here would do well to read. A few further down this board are very much guilty of the 'being offended on behalf of others' thing. They don't know that they should be defending people. They just like to appear morally superior.

                Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

                Posted by Flitwick Hatter on 30/12/2023, 6:25:12, in reply to "Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

                Very well said

                  Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

                  Posted by SJF on 30/12/2023, 7:30:23, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

                  Is it not more about creating a welcoming environment for everyone rather than necessarily offending people?

                    Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

                    Posted by X on 30/12/2023, 8:14:09, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

                    Shall we throw rose petals down for the Chelsea fans as they step off their coaches aswell? Perhaps a free cup of hot tea incase they're a little bit chilly?

                    Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

                    Posted by Dave Hedgehog on 30/12/2023, 7:52:24, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

                    There's nothing wrong with offending people. There is plenty to say and sing that is offensive to chelsea without going to songs that apparently offend people because of sexuality.

                    That this particular offence has been taken and used by chelsea fans who are upset that they aren't allowed to sing songs about munich or make gas chamber noises anymore is irrelevant.

                      Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?

                      Posted by TPDC on 30/12/2023, 8:53:23, in reply to "Re: Homophobic Chanting, Sometimes Worth Asking The Offended?"

                      Depends on context. Sometimes people need to be offended in order for them to realise how stupid/narrow-minded/bigoted their own ideas/ideologies/world views etc actually are.

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