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Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Ken Descovich on August 17, 2024, 8:06 pm

I recently acquired serial number 32068 two barrel set 28" and 30" 12 gauge quality 4 in rather nice shape. It is a very early gun probably made around 1890. Jim says its listed as a XX grade in the records. I am having trouble posting pictures, don't know why, if someone can help out I can send pictures to be posted.

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Tom Garver on August 18, 2024, 7:54 am, in reply to "Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Ken, good to hear from you on this subject. There was a discussion about these very guns at the homecoming dinner last week end in Fulton, NY. I own SN 30041 and Stephen Sipprell has SN 30036, both XXX guns with Quality 3 engraving. Quality 3 and 4 guns were supposedly not manufactured until 1894 but both of our guns are stamped internally with a "3". Very interesting and glad you a
Re willing to share this gem with us. Send the photos to me at cedarclyffelodge@gmail.com and I will post them. Thanks, Tom

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Ken Descovich on August 18, 2024, 8:18 am, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Thanks Tom pictures heading your way.

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Tom Garver on August 18, 2024, 6:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Adding photos of Ken’s gun

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Ken Descovich on August 18, 2024, 8:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Thanks Tom!

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Brian Sloan on August 19, 2024, 7:04 pm, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Outstanding looking gun! Thanks for sharing.

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Ken Descovich on August 20, 2024, 8:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Thanks Brian.
I'm just looking for comments and if someone else has any early guns like this that would like to post pictures of there treasures.

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Lloyd McKissick on August 21, 2024, 9:49 am, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"
Edited by board administrator August 21, 2024, 10:07 am

I'd be interested in seeing the bottom-metal on these early Fulton guns.

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Tom Garver on August 22, 2024, 9:07 am, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Here is the photo of the underside of Ken’ gun

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Lloyd McKissick on August 24, 2024, 4:12 pm, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Thank you for that! Clearly a "transitional" gun, but with the "rounded" barrel lug and less-pronounced and narrower bolsters on the bottom of the action (my 1890 Quality 2 has the "square" barrel lug and the heavy bolsters of the prior Syracuse guns). I would accordingly date it to 1891 from what I'm seeing here.

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Lloyd McKissick on August 28, 2024, 9:33 am, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

1891 Quality 1 top, 1890 Quality 2 bottom...

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Ken Descovich on August 28, 2024, 9:53 am, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Lloyd great contribution what gauges are they?

Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4

Posted by Lloyd McKissick on August 28, 2024, 10:09 am, in reply to "Re: Fulton two barrel set quality 4"

Ken:

Both 12s, both with substantial 30-inch Damascus tubes (one laminated steel, one 3-bar), both weigh about the same (~7lbs14) and both have similar dimensions (~14 3/8 LOP, 2 & 3 inches of drop).

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