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extractor problem

Posted by george bagwell on February 15, 2021, 10:11 am

Ihave an L C Smith hammer gun 27xxx. The extractor pushes the shells out but then they go back in when the barrels are completely open. I cant get round part out of the barrels to see what is the problem.
Can anybody tell me how to get it out?

Re: extractor problem

Posted by Drew Hause on February 15, 2021, 11:13 am, in reply to "extractor problem"

Are you referring to the roller joint check George?
https://members.boardhost.com/lcsmith/msg/1605285512.html

Re: extractor problem

Posted by Mark Robson on February 15, 2021, 12:04 pm, in reply to "extractor problem"

Sounds like it has the roller joint check. The system takes the pressure off the extractor when fully open. It takes a while and practice to get used to pulling hulls out without pushing them back in.

Re: extractor problem

Posted by David Williamson on February 16, 2021, 8:51 am, in reply to "extractor problem"

George you have a very late Syracuse, N.Y. L.C. Smith that has the joint check. It is a great feature because it allows the gun to open more to get the fired shells or take out live ones.
The round or roller part catches onto the ejector/extractor and helps in both the opening and closing of the breech. Like Mark has stated you will get used to it and enjoy it's feature. It was discontinued in 1899.

I collect serial numbers for the older Syracuse and later Hunter Arms hammer guns, and it you could give me the whole serial number, gauge, grade, barrel length I would appreciate it.
Also does yours have L.C. Smith Syracuse, N.Y. on the top of the barrels? Most at this time did not have a maker's name on the barrels.

Re: extractor problem

Posted by Jerry Andrews on February 16, 2021, 11:03 am, in reply to "Re: extractor problem"

It’s an odd design, nearly a design flaw in my opinion. I’ve worked literally on thousands of these guns and I do not care for that whole roller joint system. With that being said the workers were quite the craftsmen to install the system.

Re: extractor problem

Posted by George Bagwell on February 16, 2021, 8:49 pm, in reply to "Re: extractor problem"

I referring to the 7/16' round part in the locking lug under the barrels with apin in it that fits into the receiver and pushes the extractor out. I dont know what it is called.

Re: extractor problem

Posted by George Bagwell on February 16, 2021, 8:55 pm, in reply to "Re: extractor problem"

Thanks. maybe

thanks. I guess Im not quick enough

Re: extractor problem

Posted by George Bagwell on February 16, 2021, 9:04 pm, in reply to "Re: extractor problem"

serial #27817
12ga
grqde F
barrels 30'
no name on barrells

Re: extractor problem

Posted by George Bagwell on February 16, 2021, 9:11 pm, in reply to "Re: extractor problem"

Tjhanks. I still wonder how to get the roller out0817803

Re: extractor problem

Posted by Tom Garver on February 17, 2021, 8:37 am, in reply to "Re: extractor problem"

George, place your barrels resting on the right barrel with the roller facing you. There is a pin located about the 2 o'clock position 1/8" from the roller. Drive that pin out and rotate the roller toward the top until you can tap the roller out. This may take a bit of doing since it sounds like the pin and spring is rusted or full of gunk. There is a possibility that the spring is also broken. I suggest you take photos along the way so it goes back together with ease. Typically I've that they are full of gunk, rust and sometimes condensation and the spring can't push the pin to activate the extractor. Further help you can call me at 717-887-0545

Re: extractor problem

Posted by Drew Hause on February 17, 2021, 11:20 am, in reply to "Re: extractor problem"

George: please click on the link in my first post. It takes you to a previous thread regarding the roller joint check

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