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Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 8/11/2022, 7:10 pm

I was just wondering how many Jonas Anderson's there were in Devon in 1823?

My ancestor Jonas Anderson was Danish & married English Mary Cutmore on 22nd January 1799 in Saint Saviour's church, Dartmouth, Devon, England ....but Ancestry website, where my DNA is, asks me if the record relating to the imprisonment of a Jonas Anderson relates to MY Jonas Anderson there....but I'm not a fully paid up member of Ancestry to be able to look fully at the records to see if it gives more details about this Jonas Anderson imprisoned Plymouth?, certainly in Devon...

Jonas Andersson with 2 s's is a COMMON name in Denmark & Sweden, but in Devon back then?... it could be a different Jonas Andersson?...

I have no other potential criminals in my tree that I know of (so maybe he was framed?... lol or desperate?)...but I can't help wondering if he could be my ancestor....probably not....but I can't help wondering & wanting to know lol...

Ancestry at least tells me :

'Name: Jonas Anderson
Date of Trial: Apr 1823
Trial Year: 1823
Location of Trial: Devon, England
Sentence: Imprisonment'

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by judith on 9/11/2022, 7:31 am, in reply to "Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

he was convicted of Larceny, and sentenced to one month. the case was in the borough of Dartmouth.
Unfortunately no age given so that does not help.
In a list with a mixture of details of other boroughs, so no hint of whether he was involved with others. Did he have a son? could it have been him?
hope this helps a bit.

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 9/11/2022, 10:58 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

& I wonder if the record mentions if he was Danish?... in his marriage record he was mentioned as 'A Dane' I think (from memory)...

And I guess in a (busy?) port like Dartmouth back then, maybe other Jonas Anderson's arrived there...

And now I'm also wondering back then as a country were we prepared to pay to lock them up here, or did we just banish them & put them back on the boat they came here in??.... now I'm curious as to the laws way back then lol....thinking we probably wanted to keep them here to make sure they were punished?...but I don't know for sure....

Perhaps it was hard times & he stole to get food?... Perhaps there was a lot of poverty back in 1823?... I'll have to check out the history of that time..

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 9/11/2022, 9:33 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

PPS and does it give his home address? as that may help indicate whether he is my Jonas Anderson or not perhaps... Many thanks judith

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 9/11/2022, 9:28 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

PS does it say what he stole Judith? Many Thanks.

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Judith on 9/11/2022, 1:41 pm, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

No details other than the place, Dartmouth, his name and the crime, and sentence.

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 9/11/2022, 1:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Thanks Judith. Wierd they don't give his home address isn't it - I wonder if it was like that for all prisoners ?

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 9/11/2022, 9:26 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Thanks so much for that Judith - much appreciated - the son I descend from was called James Anderson b. 1813 in Dartmouth.... & I think there was a baby Jonas that died, but I'd have to check what year & if that baby was James's or Jonas's son.... I will see what info I have in my old FamilyTreemaker programme in a VirtualBox computer within a computer on PC!...

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Judith on 9/11/2022, 2:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

the baby died in 1810.
It would be worth getting the death cert for him, as I suspect there may be a bit more detail on it, i.e. his occupation, and possibility of his parents names, where he lived.

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by judith on 9/11/2022, 5:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

sorry got that wrong, no death certs until 1837onwards.

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 9/11/2022, 2:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Just got on my old FamilyTreemaker programme & a baby born 1810 called JAMES Anderson died 15th September 1810...son of Jonas & Mary Anderson.,gravestone St Saviour's, Dartmouth, Devon.

And I have recorded a Jonas Anderson born 1808 to that couple too...but I don't know when he died...

Then another James Anderson b. 29th December 1813 (my line).

And then a Henry Anderson b. 1817... ( was noted as a 'beloved Uncle' who died Oct 29th 1878 aged 61 years...on a family gravestone in St Petrox churchyard that I have photographed in past..).

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Judith on 9/11/2022, 5:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Henry Anderson served in Royal Navy, did not marry, was the brother of James, living with Mary Ann in 1871 descibed as brother in law, he died 1878@61

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 9/11/2022, 9:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Thanks Judith...my old notes mentioned Royal Navy too...re Henry Anderson...yes I had him as brother of James....

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by judith on 10/11/2022, 9:01 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Henry is on the census in 1861 at H.M.S. Ganges, which is a shore establishment.(training recruits)
You could get the death cert for James Anderson who died 1850, would get his occupation, am guessing navy/sailor, where he died, and cause of death as only 37 when he died.

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 10/11/2022, 10:43 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Thanks Judith. I had already on my notes that he was a mariner... & from memory I think he died at sea quite possibly, when he was on the ship ' The Dove' (I'd have to get back on my old FamilyTreemaker programme to be certain)..

It's just the possibility that his father Jonas Anderson perhaps COULD have been the one imprisoned was a bit of a surprise...but then if boats from Scandinavia happened to come to Dartmouth regularly & often, well Jonas Anderson is a VERY common name in Scandinavia...so it might not be be my relative at all...

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Judith on 11/11/2022, 8:02 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

James death registered Plymouth, you can get the cert.
Don't beat yourself up about Jonas and a criminal record, people in Australia who are descendants of convicts are quite proud of the fact these days. It is said that some people in those early days deliberately stole in order to be sent there because they had such a miserable life here, and had heard that they had a chance there.

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by Anna T on 12/11/2022, 9:36 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

Thanks Judith. Well I suppose the Jonas Anderson who was imprisoned COULD be my ancestor, but then again he might not be....as no absolute proof?....

The Grandaughter of my Jonas Anderson was a 'nurse SMS' in the 1881 census...so a good sort & someone to be proud of!... There were never any rumours of a criminal in the family...but there was a rumour of a Danish ancestor & that did turn out to be true of course...but a generation further back than my Dad had thought...so they had thought the Danish cane from my Great Great Grandmother's father...but obviously it was her Grandfather instead..... & I guess if there were someone imprisoned in family, I would imagine they would be ashamed of it & keep quiet....tho when there was a ' love child in the family (in fact the nurses husband ' was a 'love child' & the father still a mystery)...well that story DID pass down....even though they were probably a bit embarrassed about that!.... in fact 'the love child' made up a father's name on his marriage certificate I discovered after research, to save embarrassment probably the records office reckoned!...

Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823

Posted by judith on 14/11/2022, 7:52 am, in reply to "Re: Danish Jonas Anderson living & married in Dartmouth, Devon in 1823"

one of my grandfathers was illigit, my father did not find out until after he died, was quite upset. I looked for the marriage cert, and found that he put the same name for his father, and later found out what the name should have been. apparently grandpa must have told granny at some stage. So you are not alone!!!

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