Well, at the intermission, I'm happy to see that the CNN reporters are putting Biden under the same microscope as Trump.
Trump, as usual, uses odd phrasing like, "the world never saw such a good economy". I wish he was a better, more organized speaker.
As for Joe, if you still don't think he's in mental trouble, you're just wearing blinders. His voice is weak and cracking like a weak old man. His body language looks just as weak. When he gets into a long statement, he tails off and stumbles over the words.
He's in trouble up there. I feel bad for him as a man and shame on his wife for allowing this.Promises Made, Promises Kept! Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.
Drill Baby Drill
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Soccer on June 27, 2024, 10:06 pm, in reply to "Oh Brother"
Biden's delivery was very disappointing. He was speaking too fast and mumbling too much and many times it made me cringe.
Trump sounded strong, but almost everything that came out of his mouth was a lie. I wish there would have been real time fact checking.
Of course, my mind hasn't changed. I do think they are both too old. The Dem agenda matches my personal values and views and I think Biden has very capable people surrounding him.
Trump is a pathological liar and a loose cannon and he will make sure he is surrounded with Yes men and women and he will not listen to anyone who contradicts him.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by opinionated on June 27, 2024, 10:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Even CNN is reporting the party is already throwing Biden under the bus.
He looked like a weak old man tonight.
And soccer, Trump did lie on several issues but in day to day dealings with the likes of Putin, I will take the liar over the bumbler.
Jill Biden you own this.Promises Made, Promises Kept! Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.
Drill Baby Drill
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Marshall Dillon on June 27, 2024, 10:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Jill Biden, his children and his siblings, also Obama and Clinton need to be held legally accountable for what they have done to this old man.
Who would do this to their husband or father?
Of course, Trump trots off the stage, Jill has to run up and guide him off and then takes him to a watch party where people are chanting "Four more years.".
I cringe to think what Iran, China, North Korea and Russia are talking about on their Zoom meeting right now.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Bemac52 on June 28, 2024, 3:29 am, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Opinions like Soccer's are what nightmares are made of. By his own admission after witnessing this debate, if we can even call it that, he follows up this trainwreck that the world watched unfold with "Of course, my mind hasn't changed and dem agenda matches my personal values and views".
Nobody expects you to switch parties, that's foolish thinking. But what people do expect is for you to vote responsibly.
You admit his delivery was (very) disappointing. He was speaking too fast. He was mumbling too much. His performance was actually cringe worthy.
The entire world also noticed all you have mentioned. Millions of truthful people shared your exact thoughts and openly expressed that in interviews and polls. Many democrats are jumping ship, but not their party and rightfully so. They are jumping the Biden ship now knowing the cat is out of the bag and the gig is up.
Now the question of the day is, the whole world is wanting to know, who the hell has been running the country. I have my own theory on that but won't waste my time as people with your mindset would be A-OK with it in the long run.
Where do you draw the line? What is your limit? Exactly what does this man have to do in order to lose your support? Again, I'm not suggesting you switch the party you support, but I am expecting you and others to do the right thing.
If he would have stood up there during one of his many pauses and blank stares, looking lost mid-sentence desperate to regain his focus and unable to finish his train of thought and wandered off stage, or pissed down both legs, would that have been the tipping point where you would say, I just cannot vote for this man? Honestly, just what would it take?
You say that Trump lied. I won't argue that, they all do and I'm sure he did. But what you didn't mention was the fact checkers confirmed that Biden also lied as well. Trump has a very bad habit of embellishing that at times can make him appear foolish. Biden at this point in my opinion doesn't even realize he is lying because of his constant state of confusion and inability to focus.
He stated that he put a cap in place on medicines for Americans of $200.00 per year. Untrue. His claims of there were no deaths of any troops under his watch. Untrue. He said Trump wants to do away with Social Security. Untrue. Also claiming the same with Medicare. Untrue. He said that the unemployment rate was 15% when he took office. Untrue. He claimed the Border Patrol union had endorsed him. Untrue. He lied and twisted comments and took out of context partial statements made by Trump saying that he had suggested treating Covid-19 by injecting disinfectant. Absurd and untrue and some gullible people still believe this non-sense lie to this day.
The debate was over, the cameras had pulled back to a distant shot and this poor confused old man that is obviously suffering with dementia remained at the podium standing stiff and, in a daze, long after Trump had made his exit. Once again, his wife who should be brought up on charges of elder abuse ran up on stage to take him by the arm to guide him away from the podium and off of the empty stage.
I understand that your "personal values and views" match more with the democrats, and there is nothing wrong with that. But what will it take for you and other democrats to speak up and demand a better option for the presidency, someone of sound mind and body. It's one thing to have a flawed character and morals and values that does not live up to your expectations. But it's irresponsible and dangerous to keep a man in charge that is obviously suffering cognitive issues, and especially now that the entire world has been made aware of it watching it unfold live. No spliced and diced edited Facebook videos, this unfolded in real time removing any doubt that these rumors are untrue about him being unfit and uncapable of being president.
What did any of you really expect???
Posted by Joe Smith on June 28, 2024, 9:13 am, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
The border agents union said Joe lied his ass off about them supporting him. He lied his ass off, so to claim Trump lied so that makes it a draw is wishful thinking but very predictable here. Trump's arrogance does not begin to cancel out that sh** show Biden threw up on that stage. So you can forget the media lies of the GOP editing Joe of the so-called deep fakes. For years they have lied and covered for this POS, and now they have a cluster they have to deal with.
Was Trump great tonight, hell no, but he was eons ahead of this broken-down derelict. So it may be time to get in touch with the Wuhan Lab and get a new pandemic cooking, and maybe get those ballot harvesting experts busy. Despite some Cons spiking the ball now, my rule is to never count these unsavory people out. They will do whatever they have to do, period. They don't want Kamala so they will have to wait for the convention to dump this jackass. When Joe chose her as his VP I said then it was a stroke of genius, and it was. All of this could have been avoided, but how anyone could be shocked by this is itself shocking.
The leader of China has to be thinking that he may never get a better chance than now to attack Taiwan, and he is right.The Democrat Parties worst nightmare, VOTER ID.
"Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with the ... with the COVID, excuse me, with um, dealing with everything we have to with, uh ..." "Look, if we finally beat Medicare ..."The Democrat Parties worst nightmare, VOTER ID.
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Posted by Soccer on June 28, 2024, 10:28 am, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Where do you draw the line? What is your limit? Exactly what does this man have to do in order to lose your support? Again, I'm not suggesting you switch the party you support, but I am expecting you and others to do the right thing.
Bemac52 - Ask this question of MAGA Republicans about Trump. I am going to vote responsibly and I will not vote for Donald Trump. Do I wish Biden would step aside... Yes, I do. I think both parties should have run different candidates.
Trump is a threat to Democracy and a pathological liar.
As of now, Biden is the Democratic nominee, and yes, I will vote for whoever will further the Democratic agenda.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Soccer on June 28, 2024, 10:29 am, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Where do you draw the line? What is your limit? Exactly what does this man have to do in order to lose your support? Again, I'm not suggesting you switch the party you support, but I am expecting you and others to do the right thing.
Bemac52 - Ask this question of MAGA Republicans about Trump. I am going to vote responsibly and I will not vote for Donald Trump. Do I wish Biden would step aside... Yes, I do. I think both parties should have run different candidates.
Trump is a threat to Democracy and a pathological liar.
As of now, Biden is the Democratic nominee, and yes, I will vote for whoever will further the Democratic agenda.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Joe Smith on June 28, 2024, 11:13 am, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
I've had enough of the Democrat agenda. The threat to Democracy is the one who took a big dump on the stage last night, Joe Biden.The Democrat Parties worst nightmare, VOTER ID.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Bluangel on June 28, 2024, 11:40 am, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Well, I don’t feel that Joe Biden is furthering the democrats good will, instead he is destroying it by being lead led by a group of fringe radicals. I know very well the platforms of both parties and this show has been the opposite of what the democratic platform professes. Front and center, Joe Biden has abandoned National Security, the top most priority of every President.The immigrant ~ Melania Krause Trump
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Worker A on June 28, 2024, 12:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Suddenly that segment of the country that depends on the mainstream media for its news has made a horrific discovery: They've been lied to again. Biden really is...that bad. Now that same elite media is desperately struggling to put the toothpaste back in the tube.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Joe Smith on June 28, 2024, 3:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
They got away with hiding this old man for 3 plus years and lying every step of the way.The Democrat Parties worst nightmare, VOTER ID.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Millgirl on June 29, 2024, 12:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Soccer, I agree with what you said. I, like you, do not believe that Biden is the best choice for the Democratic ticket. the Republican Party has chosen a convicted felon, a habitual liar, a man who has said he will use the justice system to after his opponents, has no loyalty and no morals that I value. I would love to see the Dems. chose someone else to run. As long as Biden and Trump or our choice, I also will vote Biden. Democracy is on the line. I hope all understand what this means to each of us.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by opinionated on June 29, 2024, 4:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
The problem the Dems have now is that this disaster my make some of their voters stay home.
Trump supporters will be there no matter what.
The key player now is Kennedy. Can he pull enough old school democrats away from Biden to tip the scale. Personally, I think he might.
I hope Trump picks Tim Scott for his VP but he's leaning toward Vance or Rubio. Of course, any VP pick for the GOP is better than a Harris presidency might be.
Several months left. We'll see how it goes.Promises Made, Promises Kept! Republicans stood, the liberal left wept.
Drill Baby Drill
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Joe Smith on June 29, 2024, 9:20 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Tim Scott may be the single nicest individual of all of the ones in the mix, but I can still remember that dingbat Niki Haley wiping the floor with him until Vivek put her in her place.The Democrat Parties worst nightmare, VOTER ID.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Marshall Dillon on July 1, 2024, 12:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
I totally agree, I really like Tim Scott.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Marshall Dillon on July 1, 2024, 12:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Millgirl, you just cannot get out of that "vote how the union tells you to vote" state of mind. You keep screaming fact checkers, fact checkers...what in the entire world makes you think those fact checkers are credible??? Do you remember that your guy Joe Biden had to withdraw from his presidential bid decades ago BECAUSE HE WAS CAUGHT LYING and PLEGERIIZNG! You support him when he bragged those fifty-one liars signed a letter proclaiming the Hunter laptop as nothing but Russian disinformation? Now all exposed. YET, Hunter's lawyers used the information on that same laptop to try and save his butt in his gun trial? You do know that the laptop has been verified by MULTIPLE sources, including CBS. And lastly you do know that laptop contains hundreds of incriminating emails that prove that Joe Biden and his crooked family have earned a fortune by commiserating with our enemies????? What trial is coming up next? The Hunter Biden tax trial...where it will be exposed that Joe Biden, his son, his brother and others became wealthy by selling out to China among others. All thanks to Hunter's laptop. You do know who the "big guy" is, right?
Both Trump and Biden have their skeletons and misdeeds. But for you to cherry pick a couple of Biden's transgressions and blast Trump non-stop shows you have no use in doing actual research, and reading through CREDIBLE information.
Trump has done some sketchy crap, most of it should have been left between him and his wife. Plus, he wasn't sitting in the White House while he did it. Joe Biden on the other hand was the sitting vice president and the sitting president while pulling his hijinx. Do you REALLY, REALLY believe for a split second that those felons he was found guilty over will hold up during appeal? You must not have followed that trial very closely either, once again putting all your faith in CNN, MSNBC and CBS and their narrative.
Christ himself could land in your drive way and tell you that Biden and his son are guilty of operating damn near a crime syndicate and you would swear otherwise because "fact checkers" say it didn't happen.
Usher in the new pandemic.
Posted by Joe Smith on July 1, 2024, 2:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
The same people that lied about Biden being good to go these past years will get amnesia about that as soon as the DNC kicks his demented ass to the curb. In what world does a party use the process to bring forth an incumbent to run another term only to try later to toss him aside for another stooge just because he made an ass out of himself in a debate he never should have taken part in the first place? They act as though they are the saviors of Democracy, but of course, they want Joe to run unopposed. Doing everything possible to keep any opposition off the ballot is not Democracy. Flooding the country with illegals is not Democracy. I understand that for the most part, the Republican Party is meek and cowardly, but the Democrat Party is garbage, total slime.The Democrat Parties worst nightmare, VOTER ID.
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Millgirl on July 1, 2024, 4:13 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Marshall Dillon.....just keep on watching FOX News Spin...they got you buying all their lies...I, on the other hand, will stick to facts...not FOX SPIN ON FACTS....I would expect you and all the FOX Watchers to never except facts....Have a good day...
Hey MILLGIRL
Posted by Bluangel on July 3, 2024, 12:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
Fact check this. How many US Service personnel have we lost under Biden’s watch? Biden said none during the debate.The immigrant ~ Melania Krause Trump
Re: Oh Brother
Posted by Bluangel on July 3, 2024, 12:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Oh Brother"
A complete waste of eyesight with that one. She must be trolling for the cause, because no principled soul is that disciplined..The immigrant ~ Melania Krause Trump
Re: Hey MILLGIRL
Posted by Joe Smith on July 3, 2024, 1:44 pm, in reply to "Hey MILLGIRL"
Ya, but he finally fixed Medicare.The Democrat Parties worst nightmare, VOTER ID.
Re: Hey MILLGIRL
Posted by Soccer on July 3, 2024, 5:51 pm, in reply to "Hey MILLGIRL"
Hey Bluangel! I believe Millgirl acknowledge in another post that factcheckers confirmed that Biden lied 3 or 4 times.
She also pointed out, as did I, as did everyone else not living under the MAGA spell, that Trump lied around 30 times in his 35 minutes of allotted time.
Trump's political lies began with the Obama birther LIE and he's been going strong ever since.
Re: Hey MILLGIRL
Posted by Millgirl on July 4, 2024, 12:59 am, in reply to "Re: Hey MILLGIRL"
LOL Blue
Do you ever read what is actually posted? or do you have a problem with comprehension? You point out one lie Biden told, but do not mention the more them 30 that Trump told in the same amount of time. And also fact checkers are out there for anyone to use. Why don't you try to check for yourself
on June 27, 2024, 9:01 pm