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I've read the judgement
Posted by Brko's Bicycle on 18/3/2024, 17:59:45
Saddo that I am. The commission rejected all of Forests arguments in mitigation re unique circumstances, timing of Brennan Johnson sale, competitive advantage etc. So anyone who still mentions those factors hasn't read the judgement.
It sounds like the Appeal decision for Everton wasn't as transparent about how they came to the specific penalty for them, so the Forest commission was trying to base the punishment on that precedent while being somewhat in the dark about how Everton's 6 point punishment was precisely arrived at.
It sounds like Forest Commission assumes the Everton penalty was : 3 points for breaking the rules +3 points for trying to cover it up.
So based on that, Forest decision has gone: 3 points for breaking the rules +3 points for breaking the rules by loads, cheating more than Everton -2 for cooperating with the process and being transparent, rather than dragging their feet and covering tracks like Everton.
They've shown their working quite well tbf. Forest should consider themselves lucky, getting two points back for cooperation feels very generous. https://www.premierleague.com/news/3936397
It seems to me that the rules have been poorly written and now badly enforced. I’m not sure cooperation should be considered as mitigation, whereas not cooperating should result in further penalties.
I’ve just been chatting with a colleague about the decision - he’s a Man Utd fan from Yeovil, so his opinion is worthless!! However, in the process of the conversation I have come up with a simple equation to work out these punishments:
(overspend amount divided by allowable losses threshold) multiplied by number of points achieved at the end of the season (rounded down to nearest point). Simple.
At least the commission concluded that all the mitigation reasons their expensive lawyers had cooked up were bollocks. Which gives me a tiny grain of satisfaction
True, although there's no deduction for the time wasted in deciding that. Not impressed by the commission. Luke Berry and Elijah have been more effective in applying justice against Forest this season with the 6 points difference (between us and them) that their late goals secured.
Judgement touches on that too. Because Portsmouth got -10 for going into administration several years ago, deductions for these rule breaches need to be less severe than that because these offences are less serious than insolvency.
,,,deductions for these rule breaches need to be less severe than that because these offences are less serious than insolvency.
Which is an utterly bizarre take on things.
Yes, admin can be seen as cheating as you get a lot of your debts wiped out. But that is not as flagrant as what Forest and Everton (especially Forest) have done
Conclusion: paying agents from wrong bank account because you’re scared of the manager (and then reporting it yourself and cooperating, with everyone from previous regime having left the club) > administration
Not a clue, I don't really know what the charges are. Presumably they will cooperate more than they did the first time around. But it might be a more serious offence compared to the last one (I don't know if it is or not, haven't read anything about that).
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