sounds like something that would come from a long hair setter type guy! Drew, due to the time I had to be in town I wasnt able to dig around too much but the folks I spent time with were welcoming and friendly I will be going back! I am going to be getting some photorgaphs soon with discriptions and one of them is gonna be right up your ally! the fellow that told me of the steel mill found out that they were pouring stainless steel so I am thinking that fluid steel coulnt have been much harder to pour but I think its gonna be like peeling a onion layer by layer to get this story told