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    Re: Kim Davis, Rowan County Kentucky Clerk Archived Message

    Posted by Philip du Nard on September 5, 2015, 6:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Kim Davis, Rowan County Kentucky Clerk"


    Hm, sure sounds like a “gotcha” post to me. There is no need to quote the Mosaic law at length. I’m familiar with it and what are regarded as hard sayings and precepts that seem strange to us today, even to most Christians. Dietary sins were not a capital offense, by the way. As a matter of fact, I don’t eat pork, shrimp, or bunnies. But that doesn’t make me a better person. Jesus Christ was countering an extreme teaching on this when He said, “Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man. “ Matt. 15:11 God told the Israelites after their departure from Egypt that if they would keep His commandments and statutes, that He would “lay none of these diseases” upon them. So eating a certain way may have conferred a health benefit. Even many people who think the dietary laws of the Bible are meaningless would shrink from eating rats and cats.

    There is no evidence that the Hebrews massacred their children as a result of making it a capital offense to curse one’s parents so it probably was reserved for some pretty extreme cases and not the prerogative of the parents but of the civil authorities. Such a law was not to exist in a vacuum but in a society that diligently taught children the laws, statutes, and judgments of God so such a judgment would be a comparative rarity. More children died when the nation departed from God’s laws and sacrificed them to idols.

    The Biblical writer Jude says what brought the judgment of God upon Sodom and Gomorrah was “giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh.” Jude v.7. The Greek word for strange is heteros, from which we derive the term heterosexual, so there probably was more involved than practicing homosexuality. But it would seem pointless to bring that up since, as familiar as you are with the Levitical laws, I’m sure you know how they deal with that subject.

    I know what Jesus Christ had to say concerning this body of law in Matt.5:17-19 and I am challenged to believe it. So indirectly, Jesus did have something to say about what you say He did not. When Jesus walked this earth, He said some things that prompted certain unnamed disciples to say, “This is an hard saying; who can hear it?” John 6:60. By that, they meant it was hard to understand or accept. The result was, “From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. Then said Jesus unto the twelve, will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.” I get the impression that the twelve were maybe having as hard a time understanding some things as the disciples that left. But they knew that Jesus had the words of eternal life and they were willing to trust Him concerning the things they did not yet understand.

    That is my testimony. There are things pertaining to God’s Word and law I do not yet understand. Yes, there are some hard sayings. But I know that His Word is life and I am willing to commit what I don’t yet understand to the future.

    Maybe you can’t “pray the gay away.” But the thing to realize is, everyone, by nature, is sinful and corrupt, not just gays, not just certain people. But we are not justified in sinning because of our nature that we were born with. What the law of God does is expose our weakness. There is nothing wrong with the law of God. There is something wrong with all of us. That is why we need the grace and mercy of God.

    In the scripture referenced above, Christ said He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it. With His death upon the cross, He fulfilled the ceremonial law which is why we no longer sacrifice animals for atonement for sin. The moral law is upheld throughout the New Testament Scriptures. The ten commandments have not been abolished. The civil law will be fulfilled when Christ reigns as king executing righteous judgment.

    If we Don't look to the Old Testament to provide Modern Day interpretations of what is "Moral". I am compelled to ask, where do we look for it? Opinion polls perhaps?

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