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Ford Mondeo 1.8 QYBA 2008 - Timing belt failure, options? #

Posted by Nick Favell on December 14, 2016, 5:30 pm

Year of Manufacture *: 2008
Engine Size and Code *: 1800 QYBA

Hi all

Just a quick question for those that know these engines well.
Had this one towed in with timing belt failure, have taken the top off and camshaft snapped in two.
to help me price up without getting too involved in stripping down at this stage: Pricing up for new head etc, but does this engine normally suffer with piston / rod damage when the valves hit this hard?
Should I be pricing for a full engine?

Thanks

Nick

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Tony Ludford <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5539' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 14, 2016, 7:28 pm, in reply to "Ford Mondeo"
Tony Ludford

Yes, they bend rods, crack pistons and scrap heads....
Has the timing belt failed, or has the high pressure pump seized due to mis-fueling (possibly in the past)?

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Alan Lange <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3293' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 14, 2016, 9:53 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Alan Lange

Hello Nick, if you're pricing to repair this one, remember to include the belt from crank to pump (that use to be a chain) if it has it.

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 14, 2016, 10:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Kevin Apps

Nick

Most likely has a wet belt as above, it should be replaced the same mileage as the dry belt from the pump to cam but rarely does.

Full engine a MUST unless you like agro.

Kev.

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Nick Favell <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3407' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 15, 2016, 8:35 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Nicholas Favell

Thanks guys,

Will keep you posted on this one then.

Nick

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Nick Favell <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3407' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on December 19, 2016, 6:19 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Nicholas Favell

Thanks chaps
Got the head off
Pistons have the combustion chambers all broken inwards. Priced up a recon engine - customer now thinking it over.

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Christopher Porter on January 5, 2017, 10:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Edited by board administrator January 6, 2017, 2:03 pm

Is there an easy way to tell by looking at these engines which ones have a chain or a wet belt?

Chris

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 6, 2017, 12:59 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Kevin Apps

Chris

The very best way is to contact your local ford dealer and ask.

It will come up via the ch. no either with chain part number or the wet belt.

Kev.

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Christopher Porter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3655' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 7, 2017, 10:45 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Christopher Porter

Ok Kev thanks.

Chris

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by jim power <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3202' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 7, 2017, 8:09 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
James Power

Copied & Pasted from tinternet

One way of checking without stripping is the colour of the tensioner bolt.
It's around the back of the engine... Behind crank pulley.
Black tensioner bolt is chain silver is belt.

jim power

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Alan Lange <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3293' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 7, 2017, 9:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Alan Lange

That's too much of a risk for me. If one comes in for cambelt replacement I would have to check visually. (I doubt that the colour of a bolt would stand up in court). I've also read somewhere that Ford dealers can't tell by the chassis number either. Not sure if that's true though.

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Kevi Apps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 7, 2017, 9:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Kevin Apps

Alan
"I've also read somewhere that Ford dealers can't tell by the chassis number either. Not sure if that's true though."

Well when i do the upper belt on these i use ford parts and ask them to e.mail the lower belt screen shot and it has always shown both chain and belt type,s BUT one is always blanked out, ie blanked out because it,s not fitted.

Kev.

Re: Ford Mondeo

Will try that next time thanks Kev. At least you could keep a copy as "proof". It's not a nice job to take apart just for a look.

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by aidan birley <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2879' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 8, 2017, 1:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"

Hi

Regards chain or wet Belt, seem to remember that AD lists the same replacement distance for chain as cam or pump wet belt, in which case it has to be replaced anyway.

You could also look part number up yourself on 'Partslink24' OE parts look up on most manufacturers and in my opinion well worth the subscription.

https://www.partslink24.com/partslink24/user/login.do

Aidan

Link: link

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Damian Daize <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5217' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 8, 2017, 3:24 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"

Hi Aidan,

Very interesting parts look up website, What the cost for the subscription??

Cheers

Damian

Re: Ford Mondeo

Hi Damian

Â£23 per month (covers all makes listed)that is month on month rate (so you could try at that rate for a month and if you don't like it cancel)

The annual subscription is a little less but commits you to a year.

It is in my opinion well worth it if only to look at same info on screen while talking to parts supplier(save waiting for diagrams to be emailed)

You can of course also just order just quoting a part numbers or even order on line (assuming your dealer is linked, I have only tried with TPS so far)

Also useful as you have OE number which you can use cross reference to after market

on the minus side, not all manufactures give parts prices, only retail price listed and take a while to learn to navigate ( some manufactures can hide parts in obscure places ! )

Aidan

Re: Ford Mondeo

Cheers for the heads up!
As you say worth a trial.
Damian

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Christopher Porter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3655' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2017, 8:30 am, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Christopher Porter

Just checked one on Autodata, doesn't give a replacement interval if it's got a chain.

Chris

Re: Ford Mondeo

Dodgy AD ?

My online gives this

Aidan

Auxiliary drive belt(s) - renew

Every 125000 miles or 120 months

High-pressure fuel pump drive chain - renew

Every 125000 miles or 120 months
High-pressure fuel pump can be driven by either belt or chain

High-pressure fuel pump drive belt - renew

Every 125000 miles or 120 months

Timing belt - renew

Every 125000 miles or 120 months

Re: Ford Mondeo 1.8 QYBA 2008 - Timing belt failure, options? #

Posted by Peter Warman <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=Peter+Warman' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2017, 1:44 pm, in reply to "Ford Mondeo 1.8 QYBA 2008 - Timing belt failure, options? #"
Peter Warman

Service info for that engine code on UKAT Workshop Data shows

Renew the timing belt(s) (every 125,000 miles/120 months; Timing belt renewal intervals may be subject to updates and may differ regionally)
Mandatory Parts
Timing belt
Timing belt kit
Possible Parts
Tensioner pulley, timing belt
Deflection/guide pulley, timing belt
Tensioner lever, timing belt
Tensioner, timing belt
Vibration damper, timing belt
Water pump & timing belt kit
Cover, timing belt
Pulley kit, timing belt
Tension spring, tensioner pulley (timing belt)
Timing belt

Add this repair Renew the injection pump timing chain (every 125,000 miles/120 months)

Peter

Re: Ford Mondeo

Posted by Christopher Porter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3655' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 9, 2017, 2:10 pm, in reply to "Re: Ford Mondeo"
Christopher Porter

Sorry didn't see that.
I was looking at the replacement procedure for the
chain and no interval is listed.
On the replacement procedure for the belt it is listed.

Chris

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