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Citroen C5 16 HDi 9HZ 2005 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level #

Posted by Peter Mashiter on September 18, 2015, 6:13 pm

Year of Manufacture *: 2005
Engine Size and Code *: 1.6 HDi 9HZ
( Optional) Fault Codes: Multipul EGR flow faults codes

Can anyone or has anyone got any ideas as to very high engine oil level in this vehicle? Have drawn out 3 litres of oil to get to maximum level???!!!

Turbocharger has failed & suspect high engine oil level has hydruliced the turbocharger.

Cannot see how this engine can suffer from diesel leak by. I can understand diesel leak by on a Izusu or VW Pumpe Duze engine as injectors are incorporated in the cylinder head.

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by aidan birley <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2879' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 18, 2015, 6:58 pm, in reply to "Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Aidan Birley

Hi

Are you aware of turbo oil feed issues on this 1.6 PSA diesel engine ???? Same engine as in the focus.

Try searching UKAT for more info.

Not sure about high oil level, was it very thin to indicate diesel contamination. have you quizzed the owner about topping up. e.g oil light flashing due to oil pickup blocked, owner thinks must be low and keeps adding oil.

Personally I would suddenly to busy to do this job

Cheers Aidan

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Peter Mashiter on September 18, 2015, 7:07 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Edited by board administrator September 21, 2015, 11:37 am

Thanks for link to oil feed issues on this type.
Yes! have quizzed customer of topping up issue. He is not sure?? which is odd!!
Looks like this vehicle has not been serviced for a long time!
Vehicle does not smoke or run erratically! Even with the overfull oil level. Just low on performance due to turbocharger failure.
Suspect particulate filter is blocked with engine oil. May have compromised EGR valve too!

I beleive there is a filter in the oil feed bolt??? Some say remove this filter completely to prevent further issues.
Seems to be the source of may secondary failures.
A good flushing agent during oil & filter change could help.

Do i still RUN AWAY from this blasphemous arse??

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Tony Ludford <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5539' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 18, 2015, 9:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Tony Ludford

High oil level, could be caused by too many failed regeneration attempts, or a bad injector (eg dribbling, spray pattern) or poor/incomplete combustion (eg poor compression).

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by aidan birley <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2879' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 18, 2015, 9:28 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"

Pete

>>>Do i still RUN AWAY from this blasphemous arse?? <<<<

Yes !!!

A good flushing agent wont fix this, it will just loosen the crap and compound the problem.

removing the gauze may increase life of new turbo, but it almost certainly will still fail within the warranty period due to to carbon deposits scoring shaft.

Removing sump and rocker box for inspection and cleaning is also a must.

Any sign of leaking injector seals ? often blamed for causing carbon issues

To be honest with dubious service history and customer being evasive with simple questions I would advise running away.

If you are a gambling man there is a UKAT member selling a H/D inline turbo filter for these which may increase your odds a little.

http://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/msg/1414012450.html

Cheers Aidan

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by mark mcgrath <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2806' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 18, 2015, 10:43 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Mark McGrath

put it this way our turbo man wont sell us a turbo for these
he says avoid like the plague

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Peter Mashiter on September 19, 2015, 12:11 am, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Edited by board administrator September 21, 2015, 11:37 am

Surely it would smoke & run erratic! Neither symptom i have other than low performance.

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Peter Mashiter on September 19, 2015, 7:26 am, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Edited by board administrator September 21, 2015, 11:37 am

Lets put another way......
How many folks out there have had a successful Turbo replacement on these & no repeat failure?

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by dave Harney <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2603' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 19, 2015, 9:43 am, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Dave Harney

Hi Pete,
I posted my experience a few months ago with this engine....

C5 Turbo

I know this one is still going well.

Regards
Dave

You can trim a sheeps wool many times, but you can only fleece it once !

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Peter Mashiter on September 19, 2015, 5:47 pm, in reply to "Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Edited by board administrator September 21, 2015, 11:38 am

Spoke to a man who knows.

He said you can get oil feed issues on lots of engines with turbocharges.

He told me not to be such a pussy.

Should i be a pussy?

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by sean savage <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5559' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 21, 2015, 7:56 am, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"

Pete if you are well busy let the job go!
If you decide to take this on explain all about these engines explain about my oil feed pipe (not a pitch) then also tell him he MUST return within 150 miles so you can check for swarf build up and extend that mileage a little at a time as you see fit. also tell him the job will come with NO WARRANTY and put this clearly on the invoice. No main agent around leeds area (mazda,volvo,citreon and peogeot will replace one of these units without a NEW ENGINE!!. Just cover your ass.

sean

Have a good look and read

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111777726925?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

http://media.wix.com/ugd/bff3d2_1307f92d7da342d4955dc4c73ddde15f.pdf

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Ed Kaps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5536' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 21, 2015, 5:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Edward Kaps

Peter
'Spoke to a man who knows'
What do you think the people are who have responded to your requests then??.

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Sean <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3654' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 21, 2015, 9:42 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Sean Hemming

I have am engineers report on this engine with turbo replacement procedure written for a Turbo supply company due to excessive amount of warranty claims.

Its well worth following the procedure and showing it to customers before carrying out any work but I cant see how to upload the file?

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by sean savage <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5559' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 22, 2015, 2:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Sean Savage

The correct procedure for these for turbo replacement takes 14hrs. not possible to justify that i believe

sean

Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level

Posted by Matt Seabrook <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=ukat3462' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 22, 2015, 3:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Citroen C5 - Turbo charger failure, Very high engine oil level"
Matt Seabrook

Agreed. When we inform our customers of what is involved and how much its going to cost they take it elsewhere or scrap it. Either way I'm not left with a angry customer and a small claims to defend. You can just move on to a job that you are going to make a living out of.

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