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Ford Transit 1.8 TDDi 2005 - Non start, no crank, no comms with ECU - Fixed #

Posted by Martin Rogers on March 16, 2011, 7:09 pm

Year of Manufacture *: 2005
Engine Size and Code *: 1.8D TDDI BHPA
( Optional ) ECU Type: FORD
( Optional ) Scanner Used: KTS, AUTODIAGNOS,IDS
( Optional) Fault Codes: NONE

NON START NO CRANK, WITH NO COMMS TO ECU AND NO CRANK HAVE TRACED STARTER FAULT TO NO EARTH SIGNAL TO STARTER RELAY FROM THE ECU, BY PUTTING EXTERNAL EARTH TO RELAY ENGINE CRANK'S OVER BUT WILL NOT START. HAVE CONFIRMED GOOD POWER AND EARTH SUPPLY'S TO ECU, IMMOBILIZER LIGHT GOES OUT WITH IGNITION ON, GLOW PLUG LIGHT STAYS ON PERMANENT, NO MIL LIGHT, CHECKED CONTINUITY FROM ECU TO DLC.

HAVE CHECKED VP PUMP WITH KTS, CODE 52 ANGLE SENSOR/IWZ SYSTEM FAULT, CLEARED AND NOT REAPPEARED REMEMBER THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THE ECU.

I AM SUSPECTING ECU FAILURE (£877.00) MAYBE THE PUMP FAULT IS DUE TO NON START.

I'M LOOKING FOR SOME GUIDANCE AS TO MY NEXT STEP HAVE I MISSED SOMETHING? , DOES ANY ONE KNOW WHO CAN TEST REPAIR THE ECU ? I HAVE TRIED THE MORE WELL KNOWN AND AM STRUGGLING, USUAL SCENARIO VAN USED AND ABUSED NOT WORTH SPENDING THE SUM FORD WANT FOR THE ECU, CAN A SECOND HAND ECU BE RECODED I DO HAVE IDS ? MANY THANKS FOR READING THIS I WILL POST THE FIX IF SUCCESSFUL IN THE REPAIR.

Re: TRANSIT CONNECT NO START/CRANK SIGNAL

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 16, 2011, 8:34 pm, in reply to "TRANSIT CONNECT NO START/CRANK SIGNAL"
Kevin Apps

Martin
New here ? CAPS is considered as SHOUTING and the post is mostly ignored.
Kev.

Re: TRANSIT CONNECT NO START/CRANK SIGNAL

Posted by Alan Kane <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5535' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 17, 2011, 7:19 am, in reply to "TRANSIT CONNECT NO START/CRANK SIGNAL"
Alan Kane - Administrator

Hi Martin,

Yes, your IDS should be able to code a used ECU, as long as you have access to the required code (in/out code).

Communication on that is CAN I think. Can you talk to all the other modules?. If not, figure that out first as a next step. Have you tried generic EOBD?

Good post with plenty of detail (Don’t mind Kevin btw)

Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal

Posted by Martin Rogers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5320' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 17, 2011, 9:12 am, in reply to "Re: TRANSIT CONNECT NO START/CRANK SIGNAL"
Martin Rogers

Most apologies if i have offended, cap in hand, will go quietly,
Yes new to posting, and yes not very good at typing.

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Yes have comms with air bag (pin7 dlc) no dash comm if applicable pin10 dlc ? 120ohms at injection pump. (no abs fitted).

Is the immobilizer control through dash or engine ecu ? i thought it was through the engine ecu !

Many thanks for the replies good and not so good.

Re: Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal

Posted by Carl ford <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1822' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 17, 2011, 10:36 am, in reply to "Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal "
Carl Ford

Try tamar electronics if you find the ecu is faulty
hth
carl

Re: Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal

Posted by Alan Kane <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5535' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 17, 2011, 2:59 pm, in reply to "Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal "
Alan Kane - Administrator

<<< no dash comm if applicable pin10 dlc >>>

Pin 10 is just one of the CAN wires. The cluster and the ECU communicate on the CAN. You need to check the CAN.

<<< Is the immobilizer control through dash or engine ecu ? i thought it was through the engine ecu >>>

Not sure but I think its cluster. The earlier ones I think were in the ECU. I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong on that.

Re: Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal

Posted by Martin Rogers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5320' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 17, 2011, 6:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal "
Martin Rogers

Cheers for that Alan i will check asap.

Martin

Re: Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal

Posted by Martin Rogers <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5320' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 21, 2011, 8:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal "
Martin Rogers

Checked can network and at ecu, vp pump, dash, and dlc all appears ok. Spoke to Tamar and have sent the ecu for testing seems to be a known fault that they can test but not always repair. A second hand unit is probably the way if the original is faulty, the keys are coded to the ecu and not the dash. Will post fix eventually

Fixed #

Posted by Martin Rogers on March 29, 2011, 1:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Transit Connect No Start/Crank Signal "
Message modified by board administrator March 29, 2011, 4:25 pm

Fixed finally, Ecu failed, fitted new second hand unit, starts and runs ok. Big thank you to Carl, Tamar Electronics gave very good service testing and supplying donor unit on a sale or return basis will defiantly use them again, and thank you all again for your replies.

Re: TRANSIT CONNECT NO START/CRANK SIGNAL

Posted by Tom Sinclair <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1011' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 4, 2011, 10:28 pm, in reply to "Re: TRANSIT CONNECT NO START/CRANK SIGNAL"
Tom Sinclair

Martin, good that you posted the fix, thanks. Kevin merely pointed out some posting etiquette that I feel was appropriate and intended for guidance, not to offend. Kevin, your contribution here must be recognised by many who are thankful for it. Cheers, Tom

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