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Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold - Fixed #

Posted by Malcolm Crosbie on January 4, 2010, 10:40 am

Year of Manufacture *: 2003
Engine Code or CC *: 2.2 cdi
( Optional ) Scanner Used: Modis Snap On

This is my own service van on very cold mornings such as today which is -8c vechicle will not start a while ago vechicle would not start but was drawing air in clear fuel pipes replaced pipes and been ok since then now will not start on very cold mornings only I have 2 fault codes and recorded live data when cranking as shown in pics fuel pressure looks a little low to me anyone had anything similar thanks in adv Malcolm

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Posted by carl ford <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1822' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2010, 9:36 pm, in reply to "Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"
Carl Ford

Looking at your live data its not cranking very fast fuel pressure does look low to me too but could be due to cranking speed have you tried spill testing injectors or if you give it a wiff of easy start and it fires up you know its probably fuel pressure faul

Hth

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Posted by Ian Baxter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1560' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 5, 2010, 9:35 pm, in reply to "Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

Hello Malcolm,
Your Modis may be trying to tell you something!! I would Check the battery first, They have to be tip top to start these engines especially at -8c

Ian.

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Posted by Malcolm Crosbie <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1668' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 6, 2010, 6:16 am, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

Thanks carl and ian for replying had good quality battery fitted last year and still same even if jump leads on but vechicle starts immediatley with a sniff as this is how i am getting started at mo with so many breakdowns think the injectors spill test seems next port of call thanks lads

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Posted by Piotr Sokolowski <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1848' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 6, 2010, 8:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

yes do injectors leak test we done two sprinters in last two weeks.Customers said it is only glow plugs-because non start. We know it is down to injectors.
And we have been right.

Link: www,pandpauto.eu

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Posted by Paul Foster <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT2680' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 7, 2010, 1:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"
Paul Foster

Hi.

I don't know if the same applies to the sprinter but I've just cured a 2.2cdi Vito with exactly the same symptoms. A seal kit for the rail pressure regulator costing about £8 from the dealers sorted it. A very common problem apparantly!

Hope that helps - Paul.

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Posted by Kev Gundry <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5245' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 7, 2010, 5:29 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

Hi Malcolm,

Looking at the fuel pressure i assume it is measured in bars, but your icon is in the way if that is the high pressure figure then you have no problem with the high pressure system or injector leak back.

As long as the fuel is >120 bar this will release the injectors to fire. Does the glow plug light come on then go out ( if it is staying on after the engine has started and goes out after 30 seconds then you have 1 or more glow plugs out) if it is staying on all the time then you have a faulty glow plug timer unit.

On the sprinter it is not uncommon for the glow plugs to fail and short to earth so be sure to test them for current draw and not just test for continuity because it's easy to fry the timer unit( although they are easy to repair)they are about £80 Starters are also a concern but normally the soliniod sticks. also what was the other code not displayed i noticed that there were 3 codes but you have listed only 2

HTH Kev Gundry

P.s. you can call me for a chat if your stuck

P.P.S. i Have since noticed that the cranking figure is quite low. I have just tested one in the yard here and with a good battery i am getting 250rpm with the camshaft sensor disconnected

All the best

Kev G

07768363545

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Posted by Malcolm Crosbie <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1668' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 14, 2010, 9:20 am, in reply to "Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

The pressure is in bar on system i have now checked injector leak off visually as i dont have tube testers and it appears ok also now checked heater plugs all ok removed fuel regulator seals appear ok also feed to glow plugs works and times ok approx 45 seconds wondering now if regulator possibly faulty letting pressure back cause vechicle does start straight away with little sniff of easy start thanks in adv.

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Posted by Piotr Sokolowski <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1848' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 14, 2010, 6:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

sorry mate one question :how you can do injector leak test visually?

Link: www,pandpauto.eu

Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #

Posted by Malcolm Crosbie on January 15, 2010, 12:57 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"
Message modified by board administrator January 15, 2010, 3:49 pm

I have just looked at the top of the returns on the injector I have seen one on a citroen relay giving excessive fuel run off and you could clearly see by eye this happening thanks malcolm

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Posted by Piotr Sokolowski <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1848' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 15, 2010, 8:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

so you are trying to say me that kit(for 250)what
I have is just waste of money??? I tell you what:if you still have problem with that sprinter, get you one kit cheapest are about 60 pounds. And do that leak test It will take you 0,5 hour,well if you have manifold of is just couple of minutes. . I think one of the injectors is just no good.

Link: www,pandpauto.eu

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Posted by Malcolm Crosbie <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1668' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 20, 2010, 8:31 am, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

I aint trying to say the kit is no good it is just an example of previous experience i have had I have ordered a kit now so will test them with that when kit comes and let you know

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Posted by Kev Gundry <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT5245' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 20, 2010, 11:12 am, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"
Kevin Gundry

Hi Malcolm,

if your scanner is correct, then the injectors are ok because of the fuel pressure ( it only needs 120 To start)have you checked the fuel pipe in the centre of the fuel filter the O ring on these give trouble, giving the symptons you have.

Feel free to give me a call

07768363545

Kev Gundry

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Posted by Ian Baxter <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1560' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 10, 2010, 10:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

Hello Malcom,
Did you get to fix your problem?
I have just finished one with same readings as your Modis gave and had 3 bad injectors with very bad blow pass on the seals fitted 4 injectors,seals,streach bolts,clamps,plastic cover and various seals. ( took forever to clean all the carbon in between plastic cover and rocker cover

. Forgot to get good cranking readings after the fix but could get them if necessary

.

Ian

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Posted by Malcolm Crosbie <iframe src='https://members.boardhost.com/ukautotalk8/info/user=UKAT1668' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 30, 2010, 12:58 pm, in reply to "Re: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

Been so busy with my own work never still been able to look at my own van i have an injector leak off kit ready to check on vechicle and there is definently no blow past on my injectors as it is clean as a whistle under there thanks in adv

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Posted by Malcolm Crosbie on April 15, 2010, 7:53 pm, in reply to "Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"
Message modified by board administrator April 16, 2010, 2:29 pm

Finally got some spare time to spend on my own vechicle tested leak off on injectors found number to injector much worse than others seen 2 rear injectors had allready been replaced before i got vechicle I fit number 1 and 2 new injectors very reasonably priced from euro car parts vechicle starts perfect every time now thanks everyone for your help

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Posted by Piotr Sokolowski on April 15, 2010, 9:32 pm, in reply to "Fixed: Mercedes Benz Sprinter 2.2 CDi 2003 - Non start when cold #"

Thank you for a listening. The forum is to help us each other.Refards Peter

Link: www.pandpauto.eu

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