My game I played in last night was a shining example of what Tops is all about. Four players all trying to get low, even at the expense of taking the queen and not dumping it first chance on high ( which was me...surprise!!) My cards were lousy, but they hung in trying to get that sneaky Drunkie. Thank you, Grincher and Mr. Murt. I appreciated your play. I know there are others that do this too....it sure makes for a better and more pleasant game.