: It's been interesting trying the new format.
: Many players have adjusted their play to
: take advantage of the new rules (smart!).
: I thought there was a lot more 3 v 1 play in
: the old format. I miss that type of smart
: play, even when I was the "1" .
: I never thought players could take their
: wildcard chances as a sure thing. There were
: nights when single digit 2nd placers didn't
: I hope we have a big enough sample now to
: vote on which format the majority would like
: to support.
: It's been my experience that 90% of the
: players are trying to have a fun,
: competitive experience. I really enjoy
: playing with those players, and TRY to
: ignore the rest!
: --Previous Message--
: Well said take!
: From my original understanding of the vote
: was everything would be on a trial basis to
: see if it worked with everyone. It was said
: it would be a month long trial. I would love
: to see all this brought back to a vote to
: see if it is kept. That was the original
: I am the one that originally suggested we
: put the differential change to a vote,
: suggested informing everyone by the site and
: getting as many people as possible to read
: it and give their input. Many people had
: suggestions on how they thought the
: tournament could be improved, but all of it
: was still sold on the idea that it was on a
: trial basis. I think it was right and
: proper to have opinions voiced after the
: change... that is what the trial period was
: to be used for; how else would anyone know
: if it was working or not.
: The only times I have played during this
: time period is when I am hosting. I know
: myself to well to put myself through what I
: consider torture. Partners is a format..
: Which while it wasn't meant to be a
: partnership that is what the first round has
: turned into and that is just smart playing
: for that round.. The format sets how people
: play to better their chances of advancing
: and for the points each position holds..
: These things canít be discounted by players
: that want to place high on the leaderboard
: or to advance. The numbers will always
: dictate how a person plays, if it does not
: they are not thinking about advancing.
: The only thing I ever wanted was to bring
: the wild card determination in sync with the
: lowman point system already in place. The
: way it was before it did not allow the
: second place player the chance of protecting
: the game by taking points; they needed to
: stay close to low for a chance of that wild
: card slot. The way things stand now.. again
: the wild card is out of sync with the
: cutthroat style of point system in place; it
: does not make sense to have second try to
: protect when they could lose position and
: points by doing so. The original discussion
: in the lobby before all the voting at all
: was about a lowman game and how it would
: have been nice to have the wild taken from a
: game where all the players were close to
: 200. Had it been anything else I would have
: kept my mouth shut about any changes at all.
: So if Brian is blaming himself for how
: things are going now.. I too hold a whole
: lot of blame!
: VictoriaMV aka 1TopWitch
: --Previous Message--
: I am not sure what to say, or how to say it,
: but after the conversation in the lobby last
: night, I felt I needed to say something.
: Brian worked hard to open discussion for
: members and put up concise threads for
: voting on how Tops might continue on a
: different path. Iím not sure how many voted,
: but not many posted their feelings or
: thoughts when the process was in progress,
: but are now voicing opinions after the fact.
: I certainly understand Brianís frustration
: as to no matter what format we use, the same
: players will play selfishly, or play out
: their anger in the room. No change of format
: will alter that type of personality, which
: is unfortunate. If one player on a table is
: not playing 1v3, it alters the game
: entirely, as there is no trust to set up for
: low for fear of being dumped on.
: I used to play and host for Monkeyroyale,
: and their point distribution with the top 2
: going on to next round was 3 points for
: winner, 2 for second and minus 1 point for
: 3rd and 4th. There was constant bickering
: about the top two going forward, and it
: became a dumpfest, which caused most of the
: good players to leave.
: Two players in the last two nights have
: voiced their dismay at the type of play at
: the moment. Iím not sure they will return,
: which is very unfortunate.
: When I play with players I can trust, the
: whole game is interesting and as well played
: as the cards dictateÖ..For example:
: 1. If low is to my left and I have the
: queen, I pass it along with backers to the
: across player. That is the position to get
: 2. I donít expect a 2 clubs to be passed to
: me in this position, as then I canít lead
: through low.
: 3. I certainly donít expect A spades in that
: 4. If 4th has a lot of points, and I am 3rd,
: I will pass a moon if possible to get 4th
: back in the gameÖÖ.itís strategy!! But I
: have been hit by lightning for doing that,
: as some players feel you havenít covered.
: For me, that is the right play.
: 5. Sacrifice is often a necessity to keep
: the game in play if you are 2nd or 3rd.
: Now we have played top 2 going forward in
: the first round for a couple of months, is
: it something we want to continue or not? I
: personally liked Brianís first format of one
: plus wilds going forward and the point
: system changed back as it was, with the
: deciding wilds the differential that Vic
: I have also noticed, as a player and now a
: host, that the players that leave the room
: without thanking the host after they give up
: their time to run the tourney, are mainly
: the culprits of poor behaviour during games.
: This is probably my pet peeve, as a sense
: of entitlement is not a pleasant trait.
: Manners cost nothing!!!!
: SoÖÖthe question isÖÖÖcan players assess
: their own behaviour and help the league
: rather than hurt it? If a few are hurting
: the league, how do we address it, so that we
: donít lose anymore pleasant people? I donít
: know the answer. Only the players can answer
: that, and hopefully will adjust their
: attitude or way of playing for the good of
: the game and the league.
: I really appreciated Brian allowing some
: discussion and giving players some sense of
: ownership for the decision made through the
: voting system. Now the ball is in the hands
: of the players for this league to go on with
: decent attitudes and some thought as to how
: one plays the game.