The People's Forum: IF we can't take managers from those clubs, where do we take them from?

Brentford, Brighton, Bournemouth and Palace are different set ups with different expectations.

Where do we get our managers from, we should be seen as a stepping stone from those type of clubs into a us, with us being a bigger, more intense club, which would then open the door to the potential next step up of regular top 6 teams and/or national teams if someone does well. Like Martinez achieved.

However, if we can't/shouldn't take a risk on managers from lower expection clubs (who have all outperformed us this season) and we can't take elite managers from the top 5, doesn't that just mean we will end up with mid-range managers who are not going anywhere in their careers and happy to just remain in a mid-table, risk free role.

Essentially that just means the likes of us, spurs, fulham will just merry go round the same managers and get exactly what they bring, just like we know exactly what Moyes brings.

What becomes our differentiator to allow us (from a playing, coaching and managerial perspective) to push ourselves into the next group of the league table (5th-8th)

I'm not saying Moyes in or Moyes out, I'm just struggling to see what our talent pool options are and what the plan is for us. Are we destined to forever just in a "safe" pair of hands or what is our actual objective as a club. That's the bit that is unclear for me.

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.....that Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford and - to a certain degree - Palace, are NOT Everton.

They may well be better teams over the 38 games this season but the environment is completely different.

Everton fans expectations are nothing whatsoever like the expectations of those clubs. The stadium is a completely different experience. The football culture in the city. And none of those clubs have the most successful English club in history as their fierce local rivals.

The pressure situation is completely different.

Getting rid of Moyes for Iraola - or any manager who has excelled at a club like those three - may well be persuasive in footballing terms but it IS a risk unless that manager has managed and survived in a football hotbed before.

Question is do we stick or twist? Moyes has infuriated me this season and I cannot fathom some of his selection choices ( centre backs, lack of subs, lack of rotation of tired legs, freezing out of players he bought ) but he WILL get the results to keep us midtable and the senior players love him.

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I like him a lot but just for reference:

Season 1
Spent £133m
Took until the 10th game of the season to pick up his first win
Finished with 48 points

Season 2
Spent £92m (but lower net spend due to selling Solanke for £60m)
Finished with 56 points

Season 3
Spent £188.6m
On 56 points with one game to play.

He's done a fantastic job but his playing style is high risk and perhaps explains why they rank high for losing points from winning positions, and also gaining points from losing positions. While Everton fans don't want boring possession based football I also don't think we want managers who rely on dice rolls and turning games into basketball matches (like Silva did).

Bournemouth have bought much better than us but that's a consequence of previous season squad building. They pay fairly big fees for most of their signings (more than we have).

Ironically if their "model" is young European players in the £10m-£15m range and taking some of the best talent out of the Championship for big fees (Alex Scott) then we've done the same with Rohl, Aznou and Dibling.

Recruitment is very hard in the PL and we're very much engaged in selection bias here. All focus is on Glasner and Iraola, which are 2 very successful managers and we hope they can replicate that in a different context.

But I'm genuinely interested whether people want Iraola because he'd have a higher ceiling with us (in which case where's the evidence our recruitment will be as good as Bournemouths) or because we'd get the same as what he's done with Bournemouth.

10 games without a win.
Maximum 3 points improvement from season 2 to season 3.

Who'd take that??!