on May 11, 2026, 5:03 pm, in reply to "The past - and our immediate past, is largely irrelevant"
I still believe he could get us into the top six ‘his way’ but I agree it’s likely less sustainable than the BBB model. I think we need a come to Jesus moment where we decide what we’re actually going to be. He’s managing it as if it’s one thing (in which case we really only added KDH and Grealish (for half a season) while losing Doucoure and Calvert-Lewin) while we resourced for it to be another (Rohl, Aznou, Alcaraz, Dibling). We’re suffering from an identity crisis.
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Lampard and Dyche managed within financial constraints that made their jobs manifestly more difficult. Having your better/best players sold from underneath you and replaced by Lidl versions of those players, is not a way to run a club.
TFG have financially stabilised Everton significantly - or more to the point, my 50,000 fellow match-goers, in particular those Corporate types have done that.
The floor for ‘current Everton’ is way higher than it was for Dyche or Lampard. We’re now nearer to the middle of the League, in terms of wage bill. The correlation between wage bill and league placing is massive (save the odd exception in both directions - eg Spurs and Bournemouth).
To say this season’s Moyes has done better than the last 4 seasons is disingenuous in the extreme. He hasn’t been hamstrung in the way Dyche and Lampard were (though he’s also clearly a better manager than either of them). With this squad and the wages we’re paying, we shouldn’t be anywhere near the bottom 4, it doesn’t take a managerial genius to have us 10th-ish given our (new) financial reality.
To go from mid-table to 6th/7th in this League, you either need to follow the Bournemouth/Brentford/Brighton model (buy low, develop, sell high, buy again intelligently, coach them up too) or you need to catch lightning in a bottle and have everything go right for you.
This season, Moyes was given a chance to imitate that ‘3B’s model’ and he’s gone out of his way to avoid doing that. His strategy was to go all in with his view of the best XI. And bottom line, it hasn’t worked.
The club wants a manager to fit within that ‘3B’s model’ - we even bought an Analytics company to help. Moyes has never operated that way and it seems insanity to believe he’s going to start doing so at age 64.
He’s the wrong fit for the club TFG want Everton to be.
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I think the argument there is that he massively over-performed against expectations, last season. This season is still over-performing vs what went before - but I think we all agree that there was a missed opportunity for it to be even better. Partly because we’ve not managed games in the way we should, partly because I don’t know that we managed our financial resources particularly effectively, last summer.
The players clearly love and respect him, btw. I think there’s a lot to be said for continuity and time to rebuild the culture that’s been missing for several years. He’s rebuilding much needed foundations - and I do think that a time will come in the next few years where we’re stable enough for someone to take the reins from him - and I worry that we’re looking to run while we’re only just starting to walk again.
You’re right tho - like so many things, these days - both sides are entrenched and minds are made up. I think many were made up before he joined, quite frankly (I’ll admit that mine was).
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But Moyes points per game is definitely down on last season. (by a fair margin)
If you swap Douc for KDH, it's essentially the same team, he's not experimented at all.
Barry has had a fair crack, and has probably developed a little. (despite the misgivings of a lot of the support following the Arsenal game and the disinterested Derby) The rest of them? Basically a full seasons worth of development down the shitter.
I get it, the two camps are pretty much entrenched. The "give him time, Moyes knows what he's doing" side, and the rest of the fans, who know it's treading water at best.
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